Nike Vapor X

XFactorer

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#1
So, here are my thoughts after 2 nights (4 hours) with this new beast.

I normally wear a 9.5 in the Vapor 9/9.5 series. I got a 9.5 in the Vapor X. Initial reaction: Darn, too tight. But I wore them for about an hour before match time. They were a little stiff, especially the bumper guard on the median side of the toes. It pushed in rather uncomfortably (at first).

Went out to the courts and hit for a bit with them. It softened up nicely and felt OK, but still not to the level that the 9.5s soften up and fit better (they're also tight out of the box). Didn't notice the weight as anything dramatically different. The footbed felt higher on the lateral sides. Cushioning was average. Traction was there, not too much, not too little.

The cleverly camouflaged shank plate irks me, though. After 2 hours of though hitting, I've slid on the mid foot plate enough to exhibit wear. This is the same as the Cage line. Didn't notice it with the previous Vapors, though. When you catch it just right, you get a little extra slide before the outsole grips the court and stops ya. It's a little uncomfortable to know that that can happen when you least expect it.

The uppers felt a little more harsh inside - but I also wore some socks that weren't as cushioned up top (Elite basketball socks). On the second night, I wore the Nike tennis socks and didn't notice the upper anymore. I was also playing social doubles, so I didn't tight the laces as tight. And speaking of the laces, it gets caught on the 2nd set of Adaptive Fit 'fingers' from the top - so it can be tricky to tighten or loosen. I don't see this as a long term problem, though.

The Adaptive fit system, the eyelets closest to the toes are not glued onto the shoe - so when you flex on your forefoot, the Adaptive fit 'fingers' splay outwards. Not a deal break, just looks unfinished. Doesn't have much impact on the performance, though. The fit up top will be just fine for a lot of folks. The length is a little shorter than I expect, even after the shoe warmed up and softened. The width feels about the same.

Overall, it's an update that you'll get your money's worth on. I expect the new outsole will last longer, but I'm a little frustrated by the mid foot plate that is susceptible to skidding on the court. This probably won't happen for everyone, but it's happened to me with the current Cages and the new Vapor X. The new toe guard material has to be proven worthy, though, it's rather thin compared to the outgoing model. But it's also a new material I haven't seen on a Nike shoe. Perhaps an innovation, perhaps a flaw. Time will tell.

If you've had outsole durability issues with the Vapors (and your not unrealistic in your expectations of the shoe), the new Vapor Xs will likely last a tad longer. I think it's a worthy update. They kept the good things about the Vapor line (the Adaptive fit, silhouette, feel) and updated what needed to be updated (outsole).
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#3
So, here are my thoughts after 2 nights (4 hours) with this new beast.

I normally wear a 9.5 in the Vapor 9/9.5 series. I got a 9.5 in the Vapor X. Initial reaction: Darn, too tight. But I wore them for about an hour before match time. They were a little stiff, especially the bumper guard on the median side of the toes. It pushed in rather uncomfortably (at first).

Went out to the courts and hit for a bit with them. It softened up nicely and felt OK, but still not to the level that the 9.5s soften up and fit better (they're also tight out of the box). Didn't notice the weight as anything dramatically different. The footbed felt higher on the lateral sides. Cushioning was average. Traction was there, not too much, not too little.

The cleverly camouflaged shank plate irks me, though. After 2 hours of though hitting, I've slid on the mid foot plate enough to exhibit wear. This is the same as the Cage line. Didn't notice it with the previous Vapors, though. When you catch it just right, you get a little extra slide before the outsole grips the court and stops ya. It's a little uncomfortable to know that that can happen when you least expect it.

The uppers felt a little more harsh inside - but I also wore some socks that weren't as cushioned up top (Elite basketball socks). On the second night, I wore the Nike tennis socks and didn't notice the upper anymore. I was also playing social doubles, so I didn't tight the laces as tight. And speaking of the laces, it gets caught on the 2nd set of Adaptive Fit 'fingers' from the top - so it can be tricky to tighten or loosen. I don't see this as a long term problem, though.

The Adaptive fit system, the eyelets closest to the toes are not glued onto the shoe - so when you flex on your forefoot, the Adaptive fit 'fingers' splay outwards. Not a deal break, just looks unfinished. Doesn't have much impact on the performance, though. The fit up top will be just fine for a lot of folks. The length is a little shorter than I expect, even after the shoe warmed up and softened. The width feels about the same.

Overall, it's an update that you'll get your money's worth on. I expect the new outsole will last longer, but I'm a little frustrated by the mid foot plate that is susceptible to skidding on the court. This probably won't happen for everyone, but it's happened to me with the current Cages and the new Vapor X. The new toe guard material has to be proven worthy, though, it's rather thin compared to the outgoing model. But it's also a new material I haven't seen on a Nike shoe. Perhaps an innovation, perhaps a flaw. Time will tell.

If you've had outsole durability issues with the Vapors (and your not unrealistic in your expectations of the shoe), the new Vapor Xs will likely last a tad longer. I think it's a worthy update. They kept the good things about the Vapor line (the Adaptive fit, silhouette, feel) and updated what needed to be updated (outsole).
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#12
The below is my personal opinion and in no way affiliated with Nike Inc.

Similar feedback from me. I do think they look great on-foot and I'm happy we finally have an update to the Vapor 9. I loved the latest Cage and I haven't decided if I am going to switch to the Vapor X yet.

I'm an 11US and have been wearing Nike tennis shoes exclusively since 2008. I have pretty much worn every Nike Tennis shoe since the Vapor 5/Cage 2. I have had some traction issues with this shoe compared to the Vapor 9/9.5 - I have lost my footing a couple of times as the shoe feels like it break traction faster than the 9.5. I've also been in the Vapor 9 outsole since 2011 - so it might just be needing time to adjust to the new pattern.

I've been most recently playing in the AJ3X9.5's over the last two years and the synthetic upper of those is very soft and comfortable. The Vapor X isn't as comfortable up-top as the synthetic leather - but it is very similar to the regular Vapor 9.5 and I did notice it being more comfortable around the heel and top of foot. I'm not very happy with the toe-box for some reason they seem to fit tight. Alongside the tight fit there seems to be an aesthetic fit issue where the shoe doesn't appear "locked-in" as XFactorer mentioned. It is a quirky issue and lacing up the shoes takes more time/focus than the previous model. I didn't think I would mind - but lacing up a shoe with difficulty isn't a ton of fun.

I have a size 11.5 and and and 11 wide showing up early next week and I'll report back on which one fits closer to a traditional 11 Vapor 9/9.5. I also have a high-end insole orthotic I use which I couldn't even come close to fitting in the Vapor X due to the toe-box - so I'm hoping one of those options allows me to use them.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#13
The below is my personal opinion and in no way affiliated with Nike Inc.

Similar feedback from me. I do think they look great on-foot and I'm happy we finally have an update to the Vapor 9. I loved the latest Cage and I haven't decided if I am going to switch to the Vapor X yet.

I'm an 11US and have been wearing Nike tennis shoes exclusively since 2008. I have pretty much worn every Nike Tennis shoe since the Vapor 5/Cage 2. I have had some traction issues with this shoe compared to the Vapor 9/9.5 - I have lost my footing a couple of times as the shoe feels like it break traction faster than the 9.5. I've also been in the Vapor 9 outsole since 2011 - so it might just be needing time to adjust to the new pattern.

I've been most recently playing in the AJ3X9.5's over the last two years and the synthetic upper of those is very soft and comfortable. The Vapor X isn't as comfortable up-top as the synthetic leather - but it is very similar to the regular Vapor 9.5 and I did notice it being more comfortable around the heel and top of foot. I'm not very happy with the toe-box for some reason they seem to fit tight. Alongside the tight fit there seems to be an aesthetic fit issue where the shoe doesn't appear "locked-in" as XFactorer mentioned. It is a quirky issue and lacing up the shoes takes more time/focus than the previous model. I didn't think I would mind - but lacing up a shoe with difficulty isn't a ton of fun.

I have a size 11.5 and and and 11 wide showing up early next week and I'll report back on which one fits closer to a traditional 11 Vapor 9/9.5. I also have a high-end insole orthotic I use which I couldn't even come close to fitting in the Vapor X due to the toe-box - so I'm hoping one of those options allows me to use them.
Curious that you had to put that disclaimer at the beginning. ;)

Anyway, yay! Thanks for sharing your opinions. I’m not the only one thinking it’s a little tight. Have you played in your pair or just tried it on for fit? I found it loosens up as you play in them. But marginally. I’d almost say the fit is the same as the Cage 3. Cage 3 also has a very tight toebox.

I did purchase mine from Nike.com because of their generous return policy. They’re going back, unfortunately. I will try a size 10 whenever other colors come out.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#14
Would be glad to answer some questions you have regarding my write up, but I would like some specific questions rather than trying to interpret what you want clarified.
I don't have any questions per se, as your writeup seems honest and for the duration of the use, relatively detailed.

I am questioning your conclusions, which are, to me, disconnected from your experience with the shoes.

They have a different fit, which seems to indicate that the previous Vapor 9.5 Tour owners might have issues with, have a design flaw that makes them potentially dangerous to use and have a new materials which are of unknown quality.

How is that "getting your money's worth" and "kept the good things about the shoe" is beyond me.

Oh, and .... Sock.

:cool:
 
#15
Curious that you had to put that disclaimer at the beginning. ;)

Anyway, yay! Thanks for sharing your opinions. I’m not the only one thinking it’s a little tight. Have you played in your pair or just tried it on for fit? I found it loosens up as you play in them. But marginally. I’d almost say the fit is the same as the Cage 3. Cage 3 also has a very tight toebox.

I did purchase mine from Nike.com because of their generous return policy. They’re going back, unfortunately. I will try a size 10 whenever other colors come out.
If I recall - we may have met in a tournament once. You are from Eugene right? Shoot me a PM and let's connect!

I've got around 12 hours in this pair - including a USTA match yesterday afternoon. For those wondering they do loosen up after playing and they don't fit as "tight" after a couple of hours. I will not be able to give a true comparison till I try the 11.5 and Wide version, but I do think the Cage 3 in size 11 is a better shoe for me than the Vapor X in size 11. I felt the Cage 3 fits lower to the ground like the Vapor series and that was my major complain with previous Cage shoes.

I don't have any questions per se, as your writeup seems honest and for the duration of the use, relatively detailed.

I am questioning your conclusions, which are, to me, disconnected from your experience with the shoes.

They have a different fit, which seems to indicate that the previous Vapor 9.5 Tour owners might have issues with, have a design flaw that makes them potentially dangerous to use and have a new materials which are of unknown quality.

How is that "getting your money's worth" and "kept the good things about the shoe" is beyond me.

Oh, and .... Sock.

:cool:
I think you should try the shoe before you decide on if the Vapor 9.5 is superior or not. I do think that the fit is not similar - so I would suggest trying a couple of sizes to get that sorted out, than compare the other merits of the shoe. Regarding the sock - you definitely want something like the Tennis Elite Crew or the Elite basketball sock that provide top of foot cushioning with a tennis shoe in addition to bottom of the foot cushioning. My personal pitch would be for the NIKGRIP Quick Basketball sock (new NBA sock) or the NIKEGRIP Tennis Crew (current on-court sock for most Nike athletes) as they provide high-level of cushioning without going overboard and making you have to size up your footwear.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#16
I don't have any questions per se, as your writeup seems honest and for the duration of the use, relatively detailed.

I am questioning your conclusions, which are, to me, disconnected from your experience with the shoes.

They have a different fit, which seems to indicate that the previous Vapor 9.5 Tour owners might have issues with, have a design flaw that makes them potentially dangerous to use and have a new materials which are of unknown quality.

How is that "getting your money's worth" and "kept the good things about the shoe" is beyond me.

Oh, and .... Sock.

:cool:
Gotcha. Yeah, I can see how it may seem inconsistent. I try to balance out the pros and cons. There are pros and cons with the outgoing 9.5s. There are a different set of pros and cons for the Xs.

I think there's enough of the proven characteristics in the shoe that outweighs the unknowns. Time will tell, though. Your opinions will differ and they're just as valid. Try a pair and let us know!
 
#17
I don't have any questions per se, as your writeup seems honest and for the duration of the use, relatively detailed.

I am questioning your conclusions, which are, to me, disconnected from your experience with the shoes.

They have a different fit, which seems to indicate that the previous Vapor 9.5 Tour owners might have issues with, have a design flaw that makes them potentially dangerous to use and have a new materials which are of unknown quality.

How is that "getting your money's worth" and "kept the good things about the shoe" is beyond me.

Oh, and .... Sock.

:cool:
If I recall - we may have met in a tournament once. You are from Eugene right? Shoot me a PM and let's connect!

I've got around 12 hours in this pair - including a USTA match yesterday afternoon. For those wondering they do loosen up after playing and they don't fit as "tight" after a couple of hours. I will not be able to give a true comparison till I try the 11.5 and Wide version, but I do think the Cage 3 in size 11 is a better shoe for me than the Vapor X in size 11. I felt the Cage 3 fits lower to the ground like the Vapor series and that was my major complain with previous Cage shoes.



I think you should try the shoe before you decide on if the Vapor 9.5 is superior or not. I do think that the fit is not similar - so I would suggest trying a couple of sizes to get that sorted out, than compare the other merits of the shoe. Regarding the sock - you definitely want something like the Tennis Elite Crew or the Elite basketball sock that provide top of foot cushioning with a tennis shoe in addition to bottom of the foot cushioning. My personal pitch would be for the NIKGRIP Quick Basketball sock (new NBA sock) or the NIKEGRIP Tennis Crew (current on-court sock for most Nike athletes) as they provide high-level of cushioning without going overboard and making you have to size up your footwear.
I thought that 'Sock' was referring to Jack Sock's travails with the X's traction in Perth? The archetypal/index post did reference some minor sock - small 's' issues - hence the confusion perhaps. :):D
 
#19
It is interesting that both Sock and Bouchard began the week with the X, but switched back to 9.5 before the week was over.

Several other Nike players wearing the X, and yet several not.
 
#20
It is interesting that both Sock and Bouchard began the week with the X, but switched back to 9.5 before the week was over.

Several other Nike players wearing the X, and yet several not.
So far as I saw most were wearing the white black X except for Dimi
 
#21
what i've seen so far:

X: Kyrgios, Khachanov, Fed (custom)

Zoom Zero: Tiafoe, Svitolina

Ultra React: Shapavolov

9: Dimitrov

Switching from X to 9.5: Sock & Bouchard

Those are the only Nike players I have seen so far. I'm sure many more could be wearing the X at the moment. Surely we'll see a lot more of what the Nike players are wearing at the AO.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#22
what i've seen so far:

X: Kyrgios, Khachanov, Fed (custom)

Zoom Zero: Tiafoe, Svitolina

Ultra React: Shapavolov

9: Dimitrov

Switching from X to 9.5: Sock & Bouchard

Those are the only Nike players I have seen so far. I'm sure many more could be wearing the X at the moment. Surely we'll see a lot more of what the Nike players are wearing at the AO.
Interesting that Tiafoe and Svitolina are also the two in the image that TW is using to promote the new spring clothing line - and that they're testing the new shoe in competition.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#23
So, what do we think of Kyrgios winning a title in the new Vapor X while Sock and Bouchard switched back to what they were more comfortable with?
 
#24
So, what do we think of Kyrgios winning a title in the new Vapor X while Sock and Bouchard switched back to what they were more comfortable with?
Not much regarding Bouchard... I'm curious... I don't watch her much. Does she even/ever slide?

I'd like to see more sliders with the X (and the default sole, not Fed-like) and see what's up.

Regardless, I ordered my X a few hours ago. I'm just 3.0-3.5 (who can't slide), so I'm sure I'll be fine. It's more for the looks to be honest. Nobody's watching me for my game. ;-)
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#25
Not much regarding Bouchard... I'm curious... I don't watch her much. Does she even/ever slide?

I'd like to see more sliders with the X (and the default sole, not Fed-like) and see what's up.

Regardless, I ordered my X a few hours ago. I'm just 3.0-3.5 (who can't slide), so I'm sure I'll be fine. It's more for the looks to be honest. Nobody's watching me for my game. ;-)
I just find it interesting how some people are looking strictly at Jack Sock and claiming the Vapor X is the worst possible shoe while dismissing Khachanov and Kyrgios's success.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#26
I just find it interesting how some people are looking strictly at Jack Sock and claiming the Vapor X is the worst possible shoe while dismissing Khachanov and Kyrgios's success.
Because everyone is different and if one happens to be closer to Sock's style of play, he is screwed.

It is like people, who have an experience/problems with heel slippage to not pay attention to reports about that: it is what the reviews are for and ultimately what should decide whether one gets something or not (all other things being equal).

Besides, the reports from actual users confirm what we saw with Sock, so .......

Also, the pros are paid to endorse shoes, so they have incentive to keep playing in them.

I am sure that not everyone can afford to just switch, as that would also leave the company with no official faces to endorse a high end product.

:cool:
 
#27
Update - Size 11.5 and Size 11 wide have shown up. The 11 wide fits a lot better in the forefoot and it can also take my orthotic so I'll be giving that one a go on the courts tonight. I'm also going to try the 11.5 so that if I decide I want to wear something other than white, I have the option! I'll share on-court feedback in a couple of days if anything changes, but initially the 11 wide feels a lot better out of the box than the 11 Vapor 9.5/9 and the 11 Vapor X.

If I recall - we may have met in a tournament once. You are from Eugene right? Shoot me a PM and let's connect!

I've got around 12 hours in this pair - including a USTA match yesterday afternoon. For those wondering they do loosen up after playing and they don't fit as "tight" after a couple of hours. I will not be able to give a true comparison till I try the 11.5 and Wide version, but I do think the Cage 3 in size 11 is a better shoe for me than the Vapor X in size 11. I felt the Cage 3 fits lower to the ground like the Vapor series and that was my major complain with previous Cage shoes.



I think you should try the shoe before you decide on if the Vapor 9.5 is superior or not. I do think that the fit is not similar - so I would suggest trying a couple of sizes to get that sorted out, than compare the other merits of the shoe. Regarding the sock - you definitely want something like the Tennis Elite Crew or the Elite basketball sock that provide top of foot cushioning with a tennis shoe in addition to bottom of the foot cushioning. My personal pitch would be for the NIKGRIP Quick Basketball sock (new NBA sock) or the NIKEGRIP Tennis Crew (current on-court sock for most Nike athletes) as they provide high-level of cushioning without going overboard and making you have to size up your footwear.
 
#28
It is interesting that both Sock and Bouchard began the week with the X, but switched back to 9.5 before the week was over.

Several other Nike players wearing the X, and yet several not.
Sock started his practice in Auckland yesterday in the X and then switched to the V9.5. Today he's playing his first match in V9.5s.

Maybe the new tread pattern isn't doing it for some players.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
#29
Sock started his practice in Auckland yesterday in the X and then switched to the V9.5. Today he's playing his first match in V9.5s.

Maybe the new tread pattern isn't doing it for some players.
Quite possibly. Or that midfoot shank plate. It’s better implemented in the 9.5. Less chance of contact between the surface and the plate. But not everyone seems to be susceptible to this. Still think it’s not as bad as the sliding I get with the Cages.

And speaking of that... got a pair of Cage 3s this evening in a half size up. Still toe-crushingly shallow. :(
 
#30
Update - Size 11.5 and Size 11 wide have shown up. The 11 wide fits a lot better in the forefoot and it can also take my orthotic so I'll be giving that one a go on the courts tonight. I'm also going to try the 11.5 so that if I decide I want to wear something other than white, I have the option! I'll share on-court feedback in a couple of days if anything changes, but initially the 11 wide feels a lot better out of the box than the 11 Vapor 9.5/9 and the 11 Vapor X.
How about the arch? Is it wider too?
 
#31
I’m very interested in the wide version. I stocked up on vapor 9s throughout 2012 and 2013, but as my foot has grown (I’m 21 now) it’s become wider, and the regular vapors are quite narrow, leaving my foot to be squashed.

Not the best feeling.
 
#32
Here's the review I posted to the Tennis Warehouse product detail page:

Coming from Vapor 9.5, my initial reaction is disappointment with Vapor X. Why did Nike decide to narrow the shoe significantly? I am 28 years old and have worn Nike Vapor for the last 10 years in size 9.5 and the beauty of the shoe was each iteration was nearly identical in fit. The shoe has definitely improved from its early days of Federer wearing at the Australian Open each year, however the X is so narrow that I couldn't even walk around my house in them. If you're looking for the same fit as the Vapor 9.5, I would recommend the Vapor X Wide. The wide version arrived today and the fit is much better, however we are limited to only the plain white shoe. The main differences in the X from the 9.5 is the outsole, there is definitely more material in high wear areas. Aside from the outside, the differences are minimal. Would like to see Nike reconsider its width decision with the Vapor 11 if we ever see it. In the meantime, more colorways would be appreciated for Vapor X Wide.
 
#35
Vapor X Wide is the way to go! I also have put about 8 hours into the Vapor X and I can say that you get used the outsole and I am no longer experiencing any breaks in traction. Hoping the wide is offered in more colorways than just white. I was a 11 in the Vapor 9 and I didn't like the 11.5 in the Vapor X as much as the 11 wide. Even the 11.5 was tight up in the to area.
 
#36
Vapor X Wide is the way to go! I also have put about 8 hours into the Vapor X and I can say that you get used the outsole and I am no longer experiencing any breaks in traction. Hoping the wide is offered in more colorways than just white. I was a 11 in the Vapor 9 and I didn't like the 11.5 in the Vapor X as much as the 11 wide. Even the 11.5 was tight up in the to area.
 
#37
Vapor X Wide is the way to go! I also have put about 8 hours into the Vapor X and I can say that you get used the outsole and I am no longer experiencing any breaks in traction. Hoping the wide is offered in more colorways than just white. I was a 11 in the Vapor 9 and I didn't like the 11.5 in the Vapor X as much as the 11 wide. Even the 11.5 was tight up in the to area.
How's the outsole holding up after 8hrs? a pic would be great!
 
#38
Went into my local shop to try on a pair of the X and much to my dismay it’s much more narrow than my 9/9.5s. They don’t have a fit like a glove feel like the last version and now I’m challenged to think of which shoe I’m going to wear on court.
 
#39
Just got the pink/Federer Vapor C shoes... I wear 11 (vapor 9,5) and i have large feet. Also ordered size 11 (vapor x)

Yes it is a narrow but NOT THAT MUCH (between vapor 9,5 and cage3)

I still feel comfortable
 
#44
I have not had a fit issue with the Vapor X versus the 9.5 (my main shoe for last 18 months).

YMMV, I have a smaller foot Men's 8.5, so generally do not have an issue with width.
 
#46
That seems to be a review without a review. We already know that Nike beefed up the sole from their own advertisement. Was hoping to hear how the shoe performed on court, but no luck.
 
#49
Just got the Vapor X Wide in 10. Toe box is noticeably wider than 9.5s but not as wide as barricade classic wides wide and not as wide as SFX2's. Surprisingly it feels as snug in mid foot, and heel is equally secure. This is from walking around. Playing in them tonight, will have additional feedback.


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