NikeCourt Zoom Vapor 12

innoVAShaun said:
Looks like the Hypersmash could be takedown model compared to the Vapor 12 and Pro 3
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Having seen images of all three I don't understand where people are getting this idea - the Hypersmash looks to be built on the exact same chassis and outsole as the V12, the only difference is that's it going to have a less drag-resistant upper in a couple of key areas. They're trying to do something similar to what they've done previously with the Vapor AJ3 and Kyrie/Kyrgios Vapor, no reason to believe they'd waste Hyperdunk brand equity on a cross-silo promo to a LOWER-end model
 
TennisD said:
Having seen images of all three I don't understand where people are getting this idea - the Hypersmash looks to be built on the exact same chassis and outsole as the V12, the only difference is that's it going to have a less drag-resistant upper in a couple of key areas. They're trying to do something similar to what they've done previously with the Vapor AJ3 and Kyrie/Kyrgios Vapor, no reason to believe they'd waste Hyperdunk brand equity on a cross-silo promo to a LOWER-end model
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Couldn't agree more. It's got a different, I think leather/fake leather(??), upper to accommodate the "special edition" variation like the Kyrie/Kyrgios series, but seems to very obviously be a Vapor 12.
 
David Le said:
If Nike can bring elements of the old Vapor back into a new model, I would wager a Cage or Court Ballistecs line. Perhaps combine the two, Nike CourtBallistec Cage 1
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Honestly this is basically what the Vapor 11 was - still "quick" but not a full on 'speed' shoe with lots of padding and protective elements just like the Cage/Ballistec...
 
niketennispro said:
Couldn't agree more. It's got a different, I think leather/fake leather(??), upper to accommodate the "special edition" variation like the Kyrie/Kyrgios series, but seems to very obviously be a Vapor 12.
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Also agree. BUT, on the Hypersmash could the white toe piece that extends up the laces be a molded 'DragOn'material? It looks like it has a little texture beyond synthetic leather and the swoosh on the inside forefoot like a rubber type over leather. Can't really tell but seems that way.
 
David Le said:
If Nike can bring elements of the old Vapor back into a new model, I would wager a Cage or Court Ballistecs line. Perhaps combine the two, Nike CourtBallistec Cage 1
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Like the Zoom Cage 4?

A streamlined, speedy, supportive, and durable shoe?
 
TennisD said:
Having seen images of all three I don't understand where people are getting this idea - the Hypersmash looks to be built on the exact same chassis and outsole as the V12, the only difference is that's it going to have a less drag-resistant upper in a couple of key areas. They're trying to do something similar to what they've done previously with the Vapor AJ3 and Kyrie/Kyrgios Vapor, no reason to believe they'd waste Hyperdunk brand equity on a cross-silo promo to a LOWER-end model
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This is certainly the so; we just have to see who will wear them (Hypersmah)
 
David Le said:
If Nike can bring elements of the old Vapor back into a new model, I would wager a Cage or Court Ballistecs line. Perhaps combine the two, Nike CourtBallistec Cage 1
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Just CourtBallistec would be a dream come true.... But, now that Rafa is retired who will endorse the shoe.
The Canadian player who used cage is now with barricade, but 3 different and really clear shoe lines might be the best way for costumers.
Vapor 12- GP Challenge 1- CB 5.3 (Dreaming)
 
TennisD said:
Honestly this is basically what the Vapor 11 was - still "quick" but not a full on 'speed' shoe with lots of padding and protective elements just like the Cage/Ballistec...
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Nah, the Vapor 11 had nothing to do with either of the models. It was just a chunky Vapor cop out that Nike thought was a good idea but imho was bad as the VP2s
 
RNBABOLAT said:
Just CourtBallistec would be a dream come true.... But, now that Rafa is retired who will endorse the shoe.
The Canadian player who used cage is now with barricade, but 3 different and really clear shoe lines might be the best way for costumers.
Vapor 12- GP Challenge 1- CB 5.3 (Dreaming)
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I can care less who endorses it but either the CB or Cage line needs to come back. Separately or both in one silhouette
 
Alcawrath said:
Vapor 11 is a great shoe, sorry it didn't work for you. For me it was more comfortable than barricades and gel res and more durable than barricades
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To each of their own. I bought a pair in the Mac Attack colorway just to try out (more of I got a good deal for $57 before tax) Yes the durability is there but as for comfortability it was too clunky. My forefoot on the right side of my right foot keep on getting blisters. It kept rubbing against the sides

Hopefully these Vapor 12 will be better. The last Nike shoe I wore were the Air Zoom NXTs before I switched to the Yonex Eclipsion 4s which I love so far
 
David Le said:
To each of their own. I bought a pair in the Mac Attack colorway just to try out (more of I got a good deal for $57 before tax) Yes the durability is there but as for comfortability it was too clunky. My forefoot on the right side of my right foot keep on getting blisters. It kept rubbing against the sides

Hopefully these Vapor 12 will be better. The last Nike shoe I wore were the Air Zoom NXTs before I switched to the Yonex Eclipsion 4s which I love so far
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I don't think the Mac attack is representative of the vapor 11 line, I never tried the Macs but I read they felt completely different. Also, you might just not like the 11s.

I'm actually sad the 11s are going because the gp challenges aren't as good as the 11s, and the cage 4s are also leaving. I hope Nike has something planned for a comfort / durable shoe because I don't need any more speed out of a shoe.
 
Hmm I'll split the difference between you 2 with the 11s. I thought they were a good but not great shoe and had their flaws. I would 100% echo them feeling clunky especially lateral movements or anything that wasn't moving straight forwards but I would say they were very comfortable but I wouldn't categorize them as a speed shoe. Just not the right shoe for me and my play style, I'll still throw them on every once in a while.
 
When are these supposed to drop? Anyone knows before I buy a new pair of 11’s since they only last me like 3 months ( I love the 11’s actually they are durable I just slide a lot and I play a lot of matches as well so they don’t last me long which is okay)
 
Janderson said:
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Bottom looks nice. I wish it had more ground contact for lateral stability. It does look fast though.
 
ClydeFrog said:
Hmm I'll split the difference between you 2 with the 11s. I thought they were a good but not great shoe and had their flaws. I would 100% echo them feeling clunky especially lateral movements or anything that wasn't moving straight forwards but I would say they were very comfortable but I wouldn't categorize them as a speed shoe. Just not the right shoe for me and my play style, I'll still throw them on every once in a while.
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Yeah, Vapor 11 seems to be a controversial shoe. It depends on what you are expecting from it before you pull the trigger to buy it. But if you are getting it at a steep discount, definitely worth a try.
 
David Le said:
Nah, the Vapor 11 had nothing to do with either of the models. It was just a chunky Vapor cop out that Nike thought was a good idea but imho was bad as the VP2s
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We can agree to disagree but to me the attributes are all there - the midsole and wrap-around support/chassis style are classic Vapor, the way the inside of the shoe is built up around the collar is classic Ballistec, as is the the logo appliqué mixed with the rubber treatment on the upper. While I agree that there's not much Cage in the overall look, the fit and 'ride height' is there - it's not as low as a traditional Vapor but not nearly as up high as the Ballistec - it has the fit and overall feel of a decent Cage-style shoe though. Again it's a mash-mash, and I think the shoe would have succeeded if they didn't insist on calling it a Vapor. The 12 looks promising though!
 
TennisD said:
Having seen images of all three I don't understand where people are getting this idea - the Hypersmash looks to be built on the exact same chassis and outsole as the V12, the only difference is that's it going to have a less drag-resistant upper in a couple of key areas. They're trying to do something similar to what they've done previously with the Vapor AJ3 and Kyrie/Kyrgios Vapor, no reason to believe they'd waste Hyperdunk brand equity on a cross-silo promo to a LOWER-end model
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The last Smash (and Resmash) had takedown tech from the Cages to the Courtballistecs.
 
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Chairman3 said:
The upper actually looks like an evolution of the Vapor X Knit upper, probably lighter weight.

The outsole is interesting and actually looks like a variation (or near copy) of this
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The shot of Rune's has two separate outsole sections similar to the V6-9.5, with the shank between the sections. The VX had a connected outsole with a cutaway for the shank, similar to the one Le Coq you posted. So I'm going to say not much of a copy of the Le Coq and more of the V6-9.5 style.
 
teckid said:
The shot of Rune's has two separate outsole sections similar to the V6-9.5, with the shank between the sections. The VX had a connected outsole with a cutaway for the shank, similar to the one Le Coq you posted. So I'm going to say not much of a copy of the Le Coq and more of the V6-9.5 style.
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The tread pattern design looks very similar, not the outsole shape/style.
 
I think it's time to bring everything to the "Nike zoom vapor 12" header, as this is the name and the thread already exists:)
Put the photos in there, thanks
 
Colours aside this feels like a proper speed silhouette and a mixture of classic Vapor design cues (albeit executed in some novel ways) and modern materials. Love it, very excited to get it on my foot and try it out!
 
Katzenjammer said:
What makes you think pros playing in the AO won't have it? Seems like an ideal marketing opp.
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nah, I didn't mean that pros won't wear it in AO. For sure they will. Just it is weird to me that they do not release the Vapor 12 with the Vapor Pro 3 before the AO. They usually release the slam collection a week or two before the relevant Slam. Releasing after the Slam is something absurd to me. At least not many other brands did it before
 
arthurli22 said:
nah, I didn't mean that pros won't wear it in AO. For sure they will. Just it is weird to me that they do not release the Vapor 12 with the Vapor Pro 3 before the AO. They usually release the slam collection a week or two before the relevant Slam. Releasing after the Slam is something absurd to me. At least not many other brands did it before
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It makes complete sense from a business standpoint. They have to make the most profit selling the cheaper shoe the vapor pro 3 before releasing the nicer vapor 12. If they released the vapor 12 before or with the vapor pro 3, it would cannabalize the sales of the vapor pro 3.

I wish it weren’t the case either, but business is business.
 
hdjs94 said:
It makes complete sense from a business standpoint. They have to make the most profit selling the cheaper shoe the vapor pro 3 before releasing the nicer vapor 12. If they released the vapor 12 before or with the vapor pro 3, it would cannabalize the sales of the vapor pro 3.

I wish it weren’t the case either, but business is business.
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but for the next two years, Vapor Pro 3 will coexist with Vapor 12. If Nike is that concerned about that, why bother to release the Vapor Pro 3? They have more than sufficient of budget/take down models
 
I had written Nike Off. They always seem to drift further and further from good products they make whether it be shoes or cloths.
But, looks like they are correcting their wrongs and bringing back some of the key features of Vapor. Remids me more of the Pro, which was a decent shoe.
I'll be curious to see what you all experience with it.
 
Robert F said:
I had written Nike Off. They always seem to drift further and further from good products they make whether it be shoes or cloths.
But, looks like they are correcting their wrongs and bringing back some of the key features of Vapor. Remids me more of the Pro, which was a decent shoe.
I'll be curious to see what you all experience with it.
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Their tennis tops are the best in the business and have been for a while.

Ppl have experienced some quality issues with the shorts, but not me.
 
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