NikeCourt Zoom Vapor 12

davkarimz88 said:
The outsole of Vapor Pro 1 vs Vapor 11 agreed. VP1 is much much less and will wear out much quicker.

I was actually impressed with V11 outsole longevity tbh. It lasted longer than my Barricade 2023 which I thought last a long time too.
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I saw people getting good mileage out of the V11. The only complaint I heard IRL was that they sucked on clay....always from people who didn't buy the clay version.

SMH
 
davkarimz88 said:
The outsole of Vapor Pro 1 vs Vapor 11 agreed. VP1 is much much less and will wear out much quicker.

I was actually impressed with V11 outsole longevity tbh. It lasted longer than my Barricade 2023 which I thought last a long time too.
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Yeah the bottom sole is still good on mine. My only complaint was the toe box durability sliding and fast cuts really puts holes in the material for me.
 
guys I just think people think they feel like a slower shoe than vp1 and feel more like an update to v11 instead of to 9.5 is because they have such similarly feeling uppers and the support is better. To me, this is a better performing shoe, not just for speed,as maybe at most vp1 has a slight lead, but this shoe balances performance, lightness, and comfort with such soft yet secure uppers all together. its a step in the right direction, and obviously they always had the looks down lol.
 
jimmyjamesdimitri said:
No didn’t feel like there was any zoom in there unfortunately :(

I’d have to go try them again, but my lasting impression was all of the construction of the shoe was pushing my foot towards the middle and heel area which is where the shank/air unit is. Forefoot/and toes felt like they were just along for the ride tbh, but could be my foot shape, and could feel different putting some energy through them on court.

So there’s potentially some great push off power, spring and shock absorption here, but probably not that spring and bounce from forefoot like outgoing models.

But who knows, Nike are finally releasing a Pegasus 41 PRM with full air this year, it might take 1-2 years to catch up to their running shoe engineering.
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I was really hoping these would have a midsole at least similar to the VP2 (although I hated everything else about the VP2). It's sad that these seem to be very little different in the midsole than the 9.5/Xs. And I LOVED the 9.5's, but they just needed a tad more midsole cushioning.

It's like Nike has all the ingrediants for an awesome shoe, and yet they sprinkle a few ingrediants in one edition, and then a few in another... Never in one complete shoe. Reminds me of the old Window's days where they would release a version with bugs so you'd pay for the updates...
 
Katzenjammer said:
Preferences across their market segment are not identical but overlapping. So they rotate those "ingredients" to capture as large a market as possible over time. Your "complete shoe" would likely be a relatively small market niche for them.
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I get what you mean, and maybe I should clarify, as I'm not looking for a unicorn. But Nike knows how to do zoom in the heal and forefoot. They've done it in tennis; they do it very well across other sports (running most notable). Granted with the 11's and P3's they're not perfect; but just back peddling after (or swinging the pendulum too far in the case of the VP3's forefoot zoom); it's just lazy, quite frankly. E.G. Foot Doctor's take away comments on the re-release of the 9.5's. They have the tech to really make it better, and for a wide market.
 
B Cubed said:
I get what you mean, and maybe I should clarify, as I'm not looking for a unicorn. But Nike knows how to do zoom in the heal and forefoot. They've done it in tennis; they do it very well across other sports (running most notable). Granted with the 11's and P3's they're not perfect; but just back peddling after (or swinging the pendulum too far in the case of the VP3's forefoot zoom); it's just lazy, quite frankly. E.G. Foot Doctor's take away comments on the re-release of the 9.5's. They have the tech to really make it better, and for a wide market.
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Your governing assumption is that large swathes, if not the majority, of players prefer zoom in the forefoot.

Maybe you're right.

But I doubt that. More cushioning does not equal "better" for everyone.
 
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B Cubed said:
I get what you mean, and maybe I should clarify, as I'm not looking for a unicorn. But Nike knows how to do zoom in the heal and forefoot. They've done it in tennis; they do it very well across other sports (running most notable). Granted with the 11's and P3's they're not perfect; but just back peddling after (or swinging the pendulum too far in the case of the VP3's forefoot zoom); it's just lazy, quite frankly. E.G. Foot Doctor's take away comments on the re-release of the 9.5's. They have the tech to really make it better, and for a wide market.
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Well let’s see how they feel on our feet personally first before any assumptions regarding of what the “foot doctor “ might say lol at the end of the day it’s all personal preference you know
 
B Cubed said:
I was really hoping these would have a midsole at least similar to the VP2 (although I hated everything else about the VP2). It's sad that these seem to be very little different in the midsole than the 9.5/Xs. And I LOVED the 9.5's, but they just needed a tad more midsole cushioning.

It's like Nike has all the ingrediants for an awesome shoe, and yet they sprinkle a few ingrediants in one edition, and then a few in another... Never in one complete shoe. Reminds me of the old Window's days where they would release a version with bugs so you'd pay for the updates...
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B Cubed said:
I get what you mean, and maybe I should clarify, as I'm not looking for a unicorn. But Nike knows how to do zoom in the heal and forefoot. They've done it in tennis; they do it very well across other sports (running most notable). Granted with the 11's and P3's they're not perfect; but just back peddling after (or swinging the pendulum too far in the case of the VP3's forefoot zoom); it's just lazy, quite frankly. E.G. Foot Doctor's take away comments on the re-release of the 9.5's. They have the tech to really make it better, and for a wide market.
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B Cubed said:
Fair and valid points to the two comments preceding this. I shouldn't get pre-emptive ******** about them, and will eagerly await reviews and further user experience.
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Good comments all round. I always loved the courtfeel and twitchiness in the v9.5 forefoot but no doubt they rode LOW lol.

RE: a small amount of extra cushioning - have you tried many custom orthotics? Some shoes come alive with the right drop-in insole. Stings a bit having to think about this when already paying so much for a shoe but this might be what turns the v12 into a unicorn for you.
 
RF2017 said:
For anyone that has tried the vapor 12s, does it feel wider or narrower compared to the 11s?
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Felt about the same to me compared to the 11's width wise, if not a touch narrower. For the V11, I went from a US 11 down half a size to a 10.5 to get a really snug fit and feel would benefit for the same for these - but there are no half sizes in the PRM model :(

Difference is in the adaptive lacing, softer and lighter upper material (and just lighter shoe overall), made me feel like I could adjust way more with the 12's than the 11, to get a snugger fit - doesn't have the same rigid stiffness of the V11 out of the box, despite them both having the full plastic and rubber caging.
 
Am just waiting for the black ones of these. I actually think they're a shape and design that can easily look good in any colour to be fair, but I always prefer neutral colours for tennis shoes just so they go with any other colour being worn. Have never been a fan of brightly coloured footwear that just don't go with anything else.
 
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Korda also back to original vapor...interesting the pros start aren't adopting/don't like them. It could also be not wanting to mess around with anything prior to a slam but still.
 
Subway Tennis said:
Good comments all round. I always loved the courtfeel and twitchiness in the v9.5 forefoot but no doubt they rode LOW lol.

RE: a small amount of extra cushioning - have you tried many custom orthotics? Some shoes come alive with the right drop-in insole. Stings a bit having to think about this when already paying so much for a shoe but this might be what turns the v12 into a unicorn for you.
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Per my comments in another forum, I'm a huge sports orthotics (OTS) fan. My go-to (depending on the shoe depth), is to put in a flat cushion insert (like a simple Dr. Scholls), and then over that I put in either a Superfeet or Power Step (depending on the feel of the shoe around the heel or shank). With the 9.5's I used a Powerstep for arch and heel. The lock down was superb. The problem, at the end of the day for me is the poundage over the shoes (this guy's current waistline), and age (I also have a floating knee from time to time).

The 9.5 technically, I would consider my favorite shoe of all time. But I'm too big (at least currently) for it, and feeling my age. That said, who knows, the 12's might be just enough extra cushioning to do job (even without a forefoot Zoom unit). So yeah, that could be my unicorn.

Thus far, other than feeling like hot (don't breathe) duck boots, I've been pleasantly surprised with VP11's.
 
337tennis said:
Why is the hypersmash on tw only in size 14? @TW Staff[/
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337tennis said:
Why is the hypersmash on tw only in size 14? @TW Staff
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leng jai said:
Looks wise I prefer the Vapor 11, hopefully I can pick up a few pairs in a decent colour for cheap before they disappear.
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SDN said:
They took link away
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I did see the size 14’s yesterday, thought I missed my chance on size 12’s :( By late afternoon the hypersmash wasn’t even shown.
 
slowly looking like I’m going to have to buy some 11’s or pro 2’s for the start of the season since the white 12’s aren’t releasing yet :cry::-D:-D
 
You can order the yellow version already now for 185 euros at Nike’s own webpage and looks like they will ship them straight away.
 
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so the vapor12 have zoom air unit in heel and not in front and vpro3 have zair unit in front but not in heel? it says v12 is lighter and looks ok but is high voltage the only colorway?
 
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GSlam2025 said:
have they already started to wear out on the front left :unsure:
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Expected imo. They wear through these shoes like it's nothing. They get unlimited pairs, so it doesn't matter to them. Ben Shelton ran through like over a dozen pairs of RPs in one slam last year, I think.
 
240 dollars seems excessive to me; very strange...
And then a shoe of this type isn't worn by very high level players??
Rune also uses Vapor pro 1; maybe, as someone said, they will do it (Alcaraz??) during the season...
The hypersmash appeared on TW with a cost of $180
 
B Cubed said:
I was really hoping these would have a midsole at least similar to the VP2 (although I hated everything else about the VP2). It's sad that these seem to be very little different in the midsole than the 9.5/Xs. And I LOVED the 9.5's, but they just needed a tad more midsole cushioning.

It's like Nike has all the ingrediants for an awesome shoe, and yet they sprinkle a few ingrediants in one edition, and then a few in another... Never in one complete shoe. Reminds me of the old Window's days where they would release a version with bugs so you'd pay for the updates...
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lol this is my Nike rage. this one thing. this is sooooooo true lol.
 
SDN said:
240 dollars seems excessive to me; very strange...
And then a shoe of this type isn't worn by very high level players??
Rune also uses Vapor pro 1; maybe, as someone said, they will do it (Alcaraz??) during the season...
The hypersmash appeared on TW with a cost of $180
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Australian dollars - the regular shoes are usually $220, the Premiums get an upcharge to $240
$180 was in USD on TW not on Tennis Only in Australia
 
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