Nishikori-Chang Partnership Good for Diplomacy

[triforce defender]

I think most people know that China's and Japan's relationship have not been swell since World War 2. I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan. And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views, the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

Anyways, back to the original point, do you all think that a prominent Japanese athlete (Nishikori) having a Chinese coach (Chang) to guide him into success unseen beforehand will have a positive impact upon Chinese-Japanese diplomacy?

 

[ollinger]

No. When a Pakistani Muslim player named Qureshi teamed up with an Israeli named Hadad a few years back to play some pretty good doubles, I didn't notice any halo effect on relations between Israel and its neighbors. I doubt Chang and Nishikori teaming up will be any more consequential.

 

[ultradr]

Nishikori's income was already #5 in the world among tennis players when
Kei was around #11, due to big endorsement from Asia and western companies
which want to promote things in Asia (of course in addition to Japanese endorsements).

Most Asians outside Japan are clearly aware of history but they can seperate
political issues from love of tennis, which is very cool.

Oh by the way, Taiwanese have very favorable view on Japanese unlike Chinese
and Koreans.

 

[jm1980]

I think most people know that China's and Japan's relationship have not been swell since World War 2. I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan. And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views, the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

Anyways, back to the original point, do you all think that a prominent Japanese athlete (Nishikori) having a Chinese coach (Chang) to guide him into success unseen beforehand will have a positive impact upon Chinese-Japanese diplomacy?

Since WW2? These two countries haven't liked each other since the beginning of time.

The partnership will not solve tensions rooted in a long history of hostility. It's also worth mentioning this is also beneficial to the ruling class on both sides, who always have a boogeyman ready to blame for their problems.

 

[triforce defender]

Since WW2? These two countries haven't liked each other since the beginning of time.

The partnership will not solve tensions rooted in a long history of hostility. It's also worth mentioning this is also beneficial to the ruling class on both sides, who always have a boogeyman ready to blame for their problems.

When was the origin of their discord?

 

[KtM]

Japan could probably give 20 billion in aid to China's extremely poor rural areas tomorrow and there is a good possibility the general Chinese public wouldn't ever hear about it through the tightly controlled government media.

Not that any amount of money makes up for the atrocities committed by any nation in ww2.

 

[Mustard]

When was the origin of their discord?

Japan crushed China in the first Sino-Japanese war in the 1890s, showing how the fast rising Japanese empire, based on industrial capitalism, was leaving feudal China well behind. Japan dished out a similar humiliation to Tsarist Russia a decade later, leading to the first revolution in Russia in 1905.

 

[Petrus]

I think most people know that China's and Japan's relationship have not been swell since World War 2. I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan. And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views, the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

Anyways, back to the original point, do you all think that a prominent Japanese athlete (Nishikori) having a Chinese coach (Chang) to guide him into success unseen beforehand will have a positive impact upon Chinese-Japanese diplomacy?

Why do people post threads like this and still got responses.
If Nish and Chang split up in the future, does that mean the 2 countries will go to war?

 

[rommil]

When was the origin of their discord?

Tiger Balm...

 

[sureshs]

Why do people post threads like this and still got responses.
If Nish and Chang split up in the future, does that mean the 2 countries will go to war?

But OP has a point. These small things do add up to change people's prejudices little by little.

 

[newpball]

I think most people know that China's and Japan's relationship have not been swell since World War 2. I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan. And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views, the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

Yes and?

The problems between China and Japan are political, the ethnical part you just made up or are you suggesting that the majority of Japanese and Chinese are racist towards each other?

:shock:

 

[Sentinel]

But OP has a point. These small things do add up to change people's prejudices little by little.

You mean like Qureshi teaming up with Bopanna solved the Indo-Pak issue for good, and Shahar Peer teaming with Mirza.


You are onto something there.

 

[FanOfLu]

You are looking too much into something that simply isn't there...........

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You are looking too much into something that simply isn't there...........

If only Chang teamed up with Lu.

 

[rossi46]

Why do people post threads like this and still got responses.
If Nish and Chang split up in the future, does that mean the 2 countries will go to war?

Most sensible post of this thread.

 

[onehandbh]

And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views

FACTS:
Regardless of one's geopolitical views, just because China wants Taiwan to be a part of it doesn't make it a part of it.
Taiwan and China have separate governments and are separate countries.
Separate presidents, separate elections, separate laws, ...

Russia may want Ukraine to be a part of it, but that doesn't make it part of Russia.

the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

This is like saying there are a lot of people in the US that identify as ethnic Italian because their ancestors and from Italy.

 

[Tshooter]

I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan.

Technically ? What the heck are you talking about. On your cockamamie theory unless you can trace your roots to a native American you're "technically" American I guess.

Chang isn't "technically" American. He's American. FULL STOP.

Chang was born in Hoboken. So we don't even have a "natural born citizen" issue. If Michael Chang wants to run for President of the US more power to him whereas Ted Cruz can expect a legal challenge.

 

[newpball]

Chang isn't "technically" American. He's American. FULL STOP.

^ This!

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[Mainad]

When was the origin of their discord?

Goes way back into the Middle Ages. In the 13th century, the Mongols who were then ruling China sent several invasion fleets to try and conquer Japan. The largest of them was scattered by a timely hurricane which the relieved Japanese ever after referred to as the 'Kamikaze' meaning 'Divine Wind'. Towards the end of World War 2, Japanese suicide pilots adopted this name and hoped to scatter the American fleet in the same way!

Despite this, the Chinese traditionally continued to regard Japan as an inferior, tributary country and after hostilities broke out again towards the end of the 19th century, they contemptuously referred to them as 'dwarf bandits'. In 1931, Japan took advantage of China's weakness and political turmoil to invade the country and conquer large parts of it. Their occupation was extremely brutal culminating in the infamous ' R ape of Nanking' episode in 1937. The Chinese have never really forgotten or forgiven this and their feelings have been exacerbated by Japan's tendency to ignore or downplay how their troops behaved during that time.

Most recently, tensions have flared again over disputed ownership of some islands lying roughly halfway between the two countries. Although they are each other's biggest trading partners, it seems like there never has been nor ever will be much natural affection between them.

 

[newpball]

Their occupation was extremely brutal culminating in the infamous ' R ape of Nanking' episode in 1937. The Chinese have never really forgotten or forgiven this and their feelings have been exacerbated by Ja's tendency to ignore or downplay how their troops behaved during that time.

Very well said!

 

[rossi46]

Goes way back into the Middle Ages. In the 13th century, the Mongols who were then ruling China sent several invasion fleets to try and conquer Japan. The largest of them was scattered by a timely hurricane which the relieved Japanese ever after referred to as the 'Kamikaze' meaning 'Divine Wind'. Towards the end of World War 2, Japanese suicide pilots adopted this name and hoped to scatter the American fleet in the same way!

Despite this, the Chinese traditionally continued to regard Japan as an inferior, tributary country and after hostilities broke out again towards the end of the 19th century, they contemptuously referred to them as 'dwarf bandits'. In 1931, Japan took advantage of China's weakness and political turmoil to invade the country and conquer large parts of it. Their occupation was extremely brutal culminating in the infamous ' R ape of Nanking' episode in 1937. The Chinese have never really forgotten or forgiven this and their feelings have been exacerbated by Japan's tendency to ignore or downplay how their troops behaved during that time.

Most recently, tensions have flared again over disputed ownership of some islands lying roughly halfway between the two countries. Although they are each other's biggest trading partners, it seems like there never has been nor ever will be much natural affection between them.

The Chinese started to claim ownership of those islands when a valuable resource was discovered on/around those islands. Sheer coincidence no doubt.

 

[997turbo]

I think most people know that China's and Japan's relationship have not been swell since World War 2. I know that Michael Chang is technically American but his heritage is from Taiwan. And while Taiwan may or may not be considered part of China depending on your geopolitical views, the fact of the matter is that people from Taiwan still identify as Chinese ethnicity.

Anyways, back to the original point, do you all think that a prominent Japanese athlete (Nishikori) having a Chinese coach (Chang) to guide him into success unseen beforehand will have a positive impact upon Chinese-Japanese diplomacy?

This is really dumb. I think results and the $$$ matter more. It is naive to think otherwise.

 

[997turbo]

..and Chang is American born and bred. He is as Chinese as chop suey.