Nishikori positive for COVID

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CrackedRacquet said:
Great to see the system working! Player getting caught positive before even traveling to NY. :) Wish Nishikori a speedy recovery and hope he's able to still make the USO on time!
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It's not like he needs the money and I doubt he comes fresh out of quarantine to the tournament. The dates are awfully close.
 
MeatTornado said:
If anything this is bad for him.

Lost Gens like Kei pose no threat to Novak but are still a big threat take out the NextGens in a QF or something. Kei with his consistent game is more likely to take a Medvedev, Zverev or even a Thiem out of Novak's path to the final.
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I agree with this assessment. Nishikori would be a bigger threat to Thiem or one of the NextGen guys who could actually potentially take Djokovic out. So this is good news for the field, less so for Djokovic.
 
MeatTornado said:
If anything this is bad for him.

Lost Gens like Kei pose no threat to Novak but are still a big threat take out the NextGens in a QF or something. Kei with his consistent game is more likely to take a Medvedev, Zverev or even a Thiem out of Novak's path to the final.
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octogon said:
To be fair, Nishikori's H2H against Djokovic is abysmal. He was never going to be a remote threat to take Novak out.

If anything, Nishikori is sort of a bye for Djokovic if he gets to the quarters or something.
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Let's be honest here. Nishikori has defeated Djokovic in a slam. The UO to be exact. What have the others done in slams against him? No, I don't care about clay before you mention Thiem.
 
PeoplesChamp said:
Let's be honest here. Nishikori has defeated Djokovic in a slam. The UO to be exact. What have the others done in slams against him?
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Anyone of those guys could also beat Novak if Novak inexplicably plays as poorly as he did in that 2014 semifinal. That match from 6 years ago means next to nothing for today's draw.

And I assume you're not talking about Thiem when you say "the others."
 
Coronavirus at worse(taking in account what the righties think) is 1-499 against opponents. Still better than Nishikori who is 2-5000.
 
MeatTornado said:
Anyone of those guys could also beat Novak if Novak inexplicably plays as poorly as he did in that 2014 semifinal. That match from 6 years ago means next to nothing for today's draw.
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He's still accomplished more than any of them have vs Djokovic at UO.

Fact.

Next gen hasn't proved anything at all and neither has Thiem outside of RG. I refuse to say it hurts Djokovic when there's no evidence to really support it.
 
PeoplesChamp said:
Let's be honest here. Nishikori has defeated Djokovic in a slam. The UO to be exact. What have the others done in slams against him? No, I don't care about clay before you mention Thiem.
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Nishikori did it 6 years ago. Since then, Djokovic has beaten him on 14 straight occassions. Not only does that slam victory feel like an unrepeatable fluke, the mental scar tissue of losing 14 straight times to Djokovic would just make him a useless opponent for Novak.

The difference is none of those Next Gen players or Thiem have been destroyed 14 straight times by Djokovic. None of them (aside from Thiem) may have done much against Djokovic in slams yet, but they still have that all-important belief having beaten him in smaller tournaments and not been owned so completely by Djokovic. Nishikori has zero belief against Djokovic now, anywhere.
 
octogon said:
To be fair, Nishikori's H2H against Djokovic is abysmal. He was never going to be a remote threat to take Novak out.
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octogon said:
Nishikori did it 6 years ago. Since then, Djokovic has beaten him on 14 straight occassions. Not only does that slam victory feel like an unrepeatable fluke, the mental scar tissue of losing 14 straight times to Djokovic would just make him a useless opponent for Novak.

The difference is none of those Next Gen players or Thiem have been destroyed 14 straight times by Djokovic. None of them (aside from Thiem) may have done much against Djokovic in slams yet, but they still have that all-important belief having beaten him in smaller tournaments and not been owned so completely by Djokovic. Nishikori has zero belief against Djokovic now, anywhere.
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I thought you were all about the slams and slam h2h and this and that. Well, he's done it and they haven't. There's no way on Earth I'll say that a top 10 level player/slam finalist exiting the tournament makes the draw tougher for Djokovic. Ain't happening.
 
PeoplesChamp said:
He's still accomplished more than any of them have vs Djokovic at UO.

Fact.

Next gen hasn't proved anything at all and neither has Thiem outside of RG. I refuse to say it hurts Djokovic when there's no evidence to really support it.
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So it went from they haven't done anything at slams to Thiem hasn't done anything outside RG. So even though he's beaten him twice at a major and had him on the ropes in the Australia final, Kei Nishikori is somehow a bigger threat because he beat him once, six years ago. On what frankly, is a different court since the roof got installed.

I think you should really re-watch that 2014 SF.
 
PeoplesChamp said:
I thought you were all about the slams and slam h2h and this and that. Well, he's done it and they haven't. There's no way on Earth I'll say that a top 10 level player/slam finalist exiting the tournament makes the draw tougher for Djokovic. Ain't happening.
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The slam H2H between Nishikori and Djokovic is 5-1 to Novak. Good on Nishikori for that one slam win, but the lopsided slam H2H between them clearly suggests that Nishikori got lucky once, and isn't really a threat to Novak at slams. This is not Wawrinka/Djokovic we are talking about, where Stan has recorded multiple slam wins over Djokovic and can't be considered a fluke.

I'll take young, hungry players with huge upside potential to start delivering in slams, over a jaded veteran gatekeeper like Nishikori who plays just to keep his sponsors in Japan happy and doesn't seem fussed about losing to the top guys.
 
MeatTornado said:
So it went from they haven't done anything at slams to Thiem hasn't done anything outside RG. So even though he's beaten him twice at a major and had him on the ropes in the Australia final, Kei Nishikori is somehow a bigger threat because he beat him once, six years ago. On what frankly, is a different court since the roof got installed.

I think you should really re-watch that 2014 SF.
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I didn't say Nishikori is a bigger threat. I said that he has proved that he can beat Djokovic in NY. They haven't. For that reason alone, his possible non-participation in this tournament weakens it as a whole. Doesn't matter how bad Djokovic played. He only loses when he plays bad according to many here anyway.
 
Apart from 2014, Nishikori is known for ruining the draw by beating someone good and making it easier for the big3....
Nishikori's withdrawal actually hurts Djokovic, because 2014 was a fluke, and now there is a better chance of Djokovic running into Medvedev etc.
 
PeoplesChamp said:
I didn't say Nishikori is a bigger threat. I said that he has proved that he can beat Djokovic in NY. They haven't. For that reason alone, his possible non-participation in this tournament weakens it as a whole. Doesn't matter how bad Djokovic played. He only loses when he plays bad according to many here anyway.
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Yeah, if you completely ignore the reasoning I laid out.
 
NADALalot said:
Extremely serious for Dimitrov.
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After recuperating in Monaco he said : "On a positive note I've done a lot of heart tests and blood tests which all seemed to checkout fine. You just kind of got to be patient with it and hopefully in a month or so I'll be back at full force to do everything and there won't be any further repercussions after."

Saw him playing afterward in the UTS at Mourtagalou in Nice, he looked pretty healthy, He beat Mahut 3-1, to hear people talk of him it's like he was dead and buried. Monte Carlo seems like a nice place to recuperate.
 
Is Nishikori bedridden, in the ER, on a ventalator?--or just test positive? A lot of these tests are false positives--he's probably gonna' get retested.
 
In all fairness Kei would have gotten injured in practice or 1st round anyway. This won't affect the draws at all.
 
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