Nishikori Vapor X's

kimguroo

Legend
That shoes looks like customized for Nishikori.
The tongues are enormously huge and inside has more rubber protection than vapor X.
Hard to believe Nike treats Nishikori so well.
BTW Nishikori used his customized vapor 9.5 before.
People thought it’s new vapor legend which is new version of vapor 9.5 but that was just Nishikori’s custom shoes.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Man he really chokes up on his racquet.

For someone of his height and cramped forehand, you'd think he'd grip it closer to the bottom of the handle, but I can't criticise a pro's choice of technique without coming off as an idiot so...
 

mmk

Hall of Fame
That shoes looks like customized for Nishikori.
The tongues are enormously huge and inside has more rubber protection than vapor X.
Hard to believe Nike treats Nishikori so well.
BTW Nishikori used his customized vapor 9.5 before.
People thought it’s new vapor legend which is new version of vapor 9.5 but that was just Nishikori’s custom shoes.
Japan is a big market, and even with his recent struggles he is enormously popular there
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
Man he really chokes up on his racquet.

For someone of his height and cramped forehand, you'd think he'd grip it closer to the bottom of the handle, but I can't criticise a pro's choice of technique without coming off as an idiot so...
his racket his already .7" inches longer than standard length so choking up possibly a way to swing through quicker. but yes, he does keep his elbow jammed up into his body on his forehand but somehow manages to generate so much power off that FH side...
 

Arti

Professional
He is not wearing an Apple Watch. That is a much more expensive watch from the company that sponsors him
 

TennisBardo

New User
Oddly enough Nike tennis shoes are almost non-existent in the sports stores around the country. I have to order mine through Amazon or Nike.com.

When Nishikori wore Adidas their stores made a big push with Barricade offerings but recently the Adidas store haven’t been carrying any tennis gear (though you can still get their shoes at Sports Authority).

Had hoped when he switched to Nike we would see more Nike tennis shoes around in retail outlets but that has not been the case in my experience. Would like to know why.
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Actually it might just be a clay court out sole on the bottom. It might just be a weird "bending" of the pattern on the sides of the outsole
 

kimguroo

Legend
is this shoe heavier than normal vapor ?
Yes. Look at that humongous tongues and protection rubber inside. It will add more weight and seems like midsole is thicker too but hard to tell from the pic.
This shoes should be vapor X instead of current one. Current vapor x does not fit my feet at all. This is the first time I have fit problem with Nike but I have over 30 pairs of vapor 9/9.5 so I can skip entire vapor x line or even vapor X.5 or 11.
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Yes. Look at that humongous tongues and protection rubber inside. It will add more weight and seems like midsole is thicker too but hard to tell from the pic.
This shoes should be vapor X instead of current one. Current vapor x does not fit my feet at all. This is the first time I have fit problem with Nike but I have over 30 pairs of vapor 9/9.5 so I can skip entire vapor x line or even vapor X.5 or 11.
He didn't actually want to know its it was heavier. Its Nostradamus lol
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yes. Look at that humongous tongues and protection rubber inside. It will add more weight and seems like midsole is thicker too but hard to tell from the pic.
This shoes should be vapor X instead of current one. Current vapor x does not fit my feet at all. This is the first time I have fit problem with Nike but I have over 30 pairs of vapor 9/9.5 so I can skip entire vapor x line or even vapor X.5 or 11.
but if you make the Vapor X heavier, it is kind of defeating the purpose or true tradition of this line, is it not ? Vapors are supposed to be light and make you feel glove like feel with no shoes on, and the name Vapor.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
SO. Here we have it.

A Vapor 9.5..... with a Court Ballistec 4.3 inner foot guard.... and a Vapor X outsole. HE LIKES THE X OUTSOLE


First Frankenracquets now Frankenshoes!! Franken H3ll!! There so should be a Nike i.d. Frankenvapor/build your own shoe - parts bin option. Sadly I'd probs buy that shoe if it was ever available... :(
 

kimguroo

Legend
but if you make the Vapor X heavier, it is kind of defeating the purpose or true tradition of this line, is it not ? Vapors are supposed to be light and make you feel glove like feel with no shoes on, and the name Vapor.
Nishkori changed shoes from barricade so His custom vapors might be lighter than his old barricade.
More importantly. I am sure Nike pays more hahaha so win-win for Nishkori.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
SO. Here we have it.

A Vapor 9.5..... with a Court Ballistec 4.3 inner foot guard.... and a Vapor X outsole. HE LIKES THE X OUTSOLE

That is the most heavily customised shoe I have ever seen.

Extraordinary, given that it seems like Nike doesn't give a **** about tennis any more, let alone for a player, who is floating well below the expectations for him from years ago.

The shoe looks with completely compromised purpose. Despite of what one might think about Fedace, he is right here: the Vapor line is conceived as a lightweight match day shoe line, and adding a lot of weight changes its original idea.

Or is the separation of lines to lightweight and "more durable" only an excuse to charge more for less durable shoes?

:cool:
 

TennisD

Semi-Pro
That is the most heavily customised shoe I have ever seen.

Extraordinary, given that it seems like Nike doesn't give a **** about tennis any more, let alone for a player, who is floating well below the expectations for him from years ago.

The shoe looks with completely compromised purpose. Despite of what one might think about Fedace, he is right here: the Vapor line is conceived as a lightweight match day shoe line, and adding a lot of weight changes its original idea.

Or is the separation of lines to lightweight and "more durable" only an excuse to charge more for less durable shoes?

:cool:
...It's a clay sole and a slide-pad on the medial side of the shoe, it's not as if they're reinventing the wheel here. Nishikori also came from Barricades, so he's probably accustomed to a slightly heavier shoe. As usual TT makes a mountain out of...nothing.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
...It's a clay sole and a slide-pad on the medial side of the shoe, it's not as if they're reinventing the wheel here. Nishikori also came from Barricades, so he's probably accustomed to a slightly heavier shoe. As usual TT makes a mountain out of...nothing.
I don't know, if what you wrote is addressed at something that I wrote, but, since you are quoting me, I take it that you did.

In essence I said that, if a pro player with the highest requirements for playing the sport can do with a heavy shoe, then the whole separate lines of shoes are more a marketing thing than anything else.

If that is the case, then it is the apparel companies that make a mountain out of a molehill in order to sell more by offering "necessary" features.

:cool:
 

dr325i

Legend
Did you end up finding any good courts? If so, where were you staying?
I (almost) always stay at Hilton Shinjuku. Hilton has own courts but at 9000Y per hour!
So, we found the courts in the UENO area for 3500/hr.
UBER was going to charge 18000Y (!!) so, it took me 75 minutes of train rides for about $10 each way (I could expense that)
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I (almost) always stay at Hilton Shinjuku. Hilton has own courts but at 9000Y per hour!
So, we found the courts in the UENO area for 3500/hr.
UBER was going to charge 18000Y (!!) so, it took me 75 minutes of train rides for about $10 each way (I could expense that)
I heard the New Otani has 2 also. Haven't found out the price.
 

TennisD

Semi-Pro
I don't know, if what you wrote is addressed at something that I wrote, but, since you are quoting me, I take it that you did.

In essence I said that, if a pro player with the highest requirements for playing the sport can do with a heavy shoe, then the whole separate lines of shoes are more a marketing thing than anything else.

If that is the case, then it is the apparel companies that make a mountain out of a molehill in order to sell more by offering "necessary" features.

:cool:
...Your point was that this was the most "heavily customized shoe that you had ever seen", and I was simply pointing out that it wasn't so customized after all...

Shoes, much like racquets, come down to preference; a guy like Nishikori knows what he needs from his shoes, and the fact that Nike makes a slightly custom silo for him doesn't really say anything other than...that's the shoe he needs. Plenty of other top-end players are playing in lightweight shoes on tour, and there isn't one solution that's just going to work for everyone. That seems to be the crux of what a lot of people on this particular part of the forum can't really get over...
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
...Your point was that this was the most "heavily customized shoe that you had ever seen", and I was simply pointing out that it wasn't so customized after all...

Shoes, much like racquets, come down to preference; a guy like Nishikori knows what he needs from his shoes, and the fact that Nike makes a slightly custom silo for him doesn't really say anything other than...that's the shoe he needs. Plenty of other top-end players are playing in lightweight shoes on tour, and there isn't one solution that's just going to work for everyone. That seems to be the crux of what a lot of people on this particular part of the forum can't really get over...
The bolded: do you mean that the phrase "they are not reinventing the wheel" was supposed to lead me to this conclusion?

The way I see it, they put together a shoe from at least three other previously existing models, so, yes, that is a pretty heavy customization.

The last part in your post doesn't address anything that I said, so I will leave it be without further comment.

:cool:
 

TennisD

Semi-Pro
The bolded: do you mean that the phrase "they are not reinventing the wheel" was supposed to lead me to this conclusion?

The way I see it, they put together a shoe from at least three other previously existing models, so, yes, that is a pretty heavy customization.

The last part in your post doesn't address anything that I said, so I will leave it be without further comment.

:cool:
Again, it's a Vapor 9.5 with a clay sole and a slide-guard; I'm not even convinced the tongue is anything special. It's not heavy customization by any means. I get the sense that you just enjoy working yourself up over the fact that the pros get something a little different and special with little or no regard to the fact that they get it for a reason.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Again, it's a Vapor 9.5 with a clay sole and a slide-guard; I'm not even convinced the tongue is anything special. It's not heavy customization by any means. I get the sense that you just enjoy working yourself up over the fact that the pros get something a little different and special with little or no regard to the fact that they get it for a reason.
Blimey!

The clay sole is different from that of the Vapor Tour 9.5 clay, so it is as I say.

Also, if you took care to actually read my post about the companies milking the customers by providing different "necessary" features in different lines, you would know that your guess about why I write this is completely off the mark.

Anyway, let's move on.

:cool:
 
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