No-AD Scoring and No lets : Changes to the Sport
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
The only tennis rule I have a problem with is the time between points rule being too short. 20 seconds in the majors and 25 seconds elsewhere, is a joke. All this talk of changing the rules of how tennis is played is just plain crazy. There is nothing wrong with the scoring system, or the let rule.
swizzy
Hall of Fame
the time just needs enforcing.. 20 seconds is plenty. crowds need to be able to release through applause and reacting.. this can't cut into the players rhythm and time needs extension during these eruptions.. the chair umpire needs a button that controls either a visual or auditory signal that lets everyone know when the server needs to be prepared to play
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Yep. Make it a minute between points . Or better yet, let the players decide what is right for them.
PeteD
Legend
Maybe if they changed the rule it would happen more often.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
It is nowhere near enough. Players have been given time violations for getting their breath back. And then there's the fact that it's 20 seconds for best of 5 sets (longer, more tiring matches) than the 25 seconds for best of 3 sets.
This rubbish has got nothing to do with tennis. The time needs to be lengthened considerably.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Faster courts.
That is all.
The typical game time for Basketball and Hockey is 2-3 hours easily. This is the same for tennis.
I CAN understand if they want to make changes in the earlier rounds of tournaments including the Slams until the Round of 16. Sure, an exciting 5 set marathon in the first round like Rafter sometimes had would make for watching the early rounds worthwhile but many people are too busy to excuse me, waste their time paying too much attention prior to the Round of 32 and even then it's dedicated fans. I can't even find the time to watch some Masters tournaments at all.
So for earlier rounds, especially at Masters events prior to the Round of 16, I can agree with no ads.
That is all.
The typical game time for Basketball and Hockey is 2-3 hours easily. This is the same for tennis.
I CAN understand if they want to make changes in the earlier rounds of tournaments including the Slams until the Round of 16. Sure, an exciting 5 set marathon in the first round like Rafter sometimes had would make for watching the early rounds worthwhile but many people are too busy to excuse me, waste their time paying too much attention prior to the Round of 32 and even then it's dedicated fans. I can't even find the time to watch some Masters tournaments at all.
So for earlier rounds, especially at Masters events prior to the Round of 16, I can agree with no ads.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
+1 for Wimbledon and US Open. Just go back to pre-2002 Wimbledon, pre-2004 US Open surfaces.
Andyk028
Professional
Lets aren't that costly in terms of time.
It's the ad-scoring that makes these matches so lengthy.
The only reason this conversation is even happening is so that the ATP could possibly make professional tennis more appealing to new fans.
Not a fan of this idea, keep tennis the way it is.
It's the ad-scoring that makes these matches so lengthy.
The only reason this conversation is even happening is so that the ATP could possibly make professional tennis more appealing to new fans.
Not a fan of this idea, keep tennis the way it is.
dondropshot
Banned
I forgot about that. I watched part of one match. And this female Spanish player I'd never seen before (I'm ESL, forgive my English) was getting creamed in the mixed so, naturally, they made her play singles too. Well, as if she wasn't playing badly enough, she got penalized for going over.
But WTT doesn't need the clock. They play shorter sets, no ad, etc. So, it's fair, I guess but it didn't add anything except a point to the other player. If they're gonna be diques about it on the men's tour, then it's only fair to have a clock, (30 seconds). I'm not crazy about it. As we've read, there are other ways to speed things up. The "no towel" rule works for ME. ;^)B
LoboLaw1984
Rookie
What nonsense. Just make the courts as fast as they were around '03 to '05. That was the sweet spot that allowed for all court and baseline play.
Gazelle
G.O.A.T.
Of course no AD scoring would have helped Fed against Nadal. With sudden death at deuce, that would have meant you could have breakpoint at deuce. Which means more breakpoints started from the deuce side (together with 15-40) where Nadal doesn't have that wide serve to the backhand. Normally he plays 90% of breakpoints from his preferred side.
Zoolander
Hall of Fame
After reading other threads like this i went back and watched the Fed-Murray wimbledon SF. With a stopwatch i timed how much actual tennis there was with the ball in play, including faults.
There was only 22 minutes of actual play in a 127 minute match. About 17%! This was the same as another article i read somewhere that did the same thing. When you think how much the ball is in play with other sports like soccer or rugby league this is pretty bad.
The biggest waste is sitting down every few minutes for a 90 sec break at change of ends. This is crazy for pro athletes, especially playing BO3 sets. (different for BO5) The average amount of actual play in every 2 game block between rests was less than 1.5 minutes! Then you sit down for 1.5 minutes.
I think for BO3 every second change of ends is just that, like they do after the 1st game of set - no sit down break for 90 sec.
I hate lets, but they dont waste much time compared to other things, i would hate to lose match point with a let.
I do think no-ad scoring has potential. Im not sure why a single game has to drag on for 10-15 min? I can imagine the excitement each time a game gets to deuce for a deciding point. That would be cool!
I hate the 4 game set idea. Someone mentioned earlier playing a tiebreak at 5 all instead of 6 all for a 6-5 set, thats a good idea i think. No need for 7-6.
There was only 22 minutes of actual play in a 127 minute match. About 17%! This was the same as another article i read somewhere that did the same thing. When you think how much the ball is in play with other sports like soccer or rugby league this is pretty bad.
The biggest waste is sitting down every few minutes for a 90 sec break at change of ends. This is crazy for pro athletes, especially playing BO3 sets. (different for BO5) The average amount of actual play in every 2 game block between rests was less than 1.5 minutes! Then you sit down for 1.5 minutes.
I think for BO3 every second change of ends is just that, like they do after the 1st game of set - no sit down break for 90 sec.
I hate lets, but they dont waste much time compared to other things, i would hate to lose match point with a let.
I do think no-ad scoring has potential. Im not sure why a single game has to drag on for 10-15 min? I can imagine the excitement each time a game gets to deuce for a deciding point. That would be cool!
I hate the 4 game set idea. Someone mentioned earlier playing a tiebreak at 5 all instead of 6 all for a 6-5 set, thats a good idea i think. No need for 7-6.
RalphJ
Banned
Let Djokovic start hitting the ball kids instead of just yelling at them. And maybe Ferrer punching the lines persons instead of pushing them. And Serena getting that little woman line judge that she was yelling at. And if Sharapova and Ivanovic (or Giorgi) have a knock down drag out mud fight, then you'll get some viewers.
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I don't think much has changed since 2003-2005 except Australian Open which actually got faster in 2008 (PlexiCushion).
By 2004, both US Open and Wimbledon has finished their surface changes.
Between 2003-2005, former S&Vers and all courters were busy re-formulating their game into a baseline one.
The_Racketeer
Professional
I love Ad scoring. Definitely don't do away with that. It makes for exciting pressure tennis.
Part of what makes tennis great is the physical stamina that one needs to win long matches. 4 game sets would be bad, especially in women's tennis. Those matches that last an hour aren't drama filled, they're a shame.
If anything, bring back dynamic court differences. Anymore, most of the court surfaces are too similar.
Part of what makes tennis great is the physical stamina that one needs to win long matches. 4 game sets would be bad, especially in women's tennis. Those matches that last an hour aren't drama filled, they're a shame.
If anything, bring back dynamic court differences. Anymore, most of the court surfaces are too similar.
LinePainter
Professional
Lets do not happen enough to really extend a match. The 45 seconds people take to serve does and doubles should be treated differently from singles. Doubles games have much less variance, and would not be effected nearly as much by drastic rule changes.
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