No love for the Wilson shoes...

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  1. Moonarse

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    Never had interest in any of Wilson's equipments. racquets, clothes, shoes, caps. They seem too much of the "Mr. Countryclub McSweater" weapons of choice and seem to be the common sense among the stereotypical tennis player. Always felt more intrigued with the "underdog" brands and the ones that try to break royal etiquette label of the sport.
    As a clay player that tends to solve the puzzle more with stamina and sweat than with wits and technique, I always felt tennis more like a gladiator muddy coliseum battle than a Grassy English Garden Gentleman's Tea time.

    So yeah, wilson never had me... but then I got a huge discount on one of their Rush sport 2 shoes.

    Clay shoes are normally high class more expensive shoes around here and I was looking for something cheap that I might destroy in the trainings. Wilson sole got my attention as it looked like a clay sole, but without much of its sharpness, so I took the risk and bought on from the internet without testing.

    Damn those shoes are great. They look great on the feet, work surprisingly well at clay and, despite of beeing more on the hard type, there is a lot of confort as there is good cushioning for the reels and support at the front part of the feet. And it seems that is gonna outlast the Barricades I had in terms of durability.

    Why no love at all for them? I do not see many people wearing them in my club, neither in the tournaments and not even here at TT.

    I am even planning on keep harvesting them in sales and strictly use them. Sure Asics are a tad more comfortable, but they tend to be twice the price and half the durability.
     
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  2. SpinToWin

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    Heard some great things regarding the Kaos too. Intriguing shows for the price for sure
     
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  3. KANZA

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    I use the rush 2.5. I am mr boring country club (aka classic styles) wearing the white version. I used to wear the tour vapor 9.5. Rush are much better. I find they are slightly wider and more accommodating. Also helpful for plantar faciitis
     
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  4. antonell07

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    The first and the third replies are making my day.

    I was the footwear designer in the team of 4 (mrkt develop 2d draft) dedicated to the 2015 footwear line in which we could count the Rush pro 2.0 back in 2013, before trying other interesting things.

    I am happy to hear those comments as I put my science my time and soul particularly in the midsole and outsole construction. I heard the 2,5 has an even more comfy upper which is good as the first iteration was a bit dry.

    I believe more people should stop by and try the rush pro and kaos families as we improved at that time of 2013 dramatically the fit particularly at the heel and the arch of the foot. Happy to hear the plantar faciitis part indeed.

    Thank you guys and good game.
     
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  5. haqq777

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    T Dub has a special going on which has me intrigued. Get a Burn and Kaos for $99. Anyone know how Kaos are? Looking for a comparison to other mainstream shoes, if possible.
     
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  6. airchallenge2

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    There are so many good choices out there, it's hard for one to try them all. I'm happy with my adidas and new balance shoes.
     
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    Almost broke my ankle with the first gen Glide. Other than that, Wilson is no better or worse than any other brand. Wilson is probably more comfortable than most brands. As far as support, I think most are pretty much the same. I just find that for my flat feet, Asics GR lasts much longer and does not give me foot pains.
     
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    I have a wider foot, the Wilson shoes have worked for me. Tried the Kaos on the earlier deal. Just ordered anothr pair. The frame is a nice bonus.
     
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    How is the toe box room? Specifically the toe box width in terms of the big toe line and space for the little toe. Those locations are where shoes usually cause me pain.

    If a particular Wilson model has good toe-box room I'll definitely put it on my to-buy list.
     
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  10. GripItNRipIt

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    I have wide feet, and the Kaos toe box is great. I've used K-swiss Bigshots which are also very roomy, but feel more clumsy on the court to me. I always thought the Kaos played "fast" on court. I'm picking another pair up with the Burn/Kaos special going on right now.
     
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  11. Chotobaka

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    Aside from the spiffy looks of my black & red Kaos, and they do look great, I cannot find one thing I like about them. Hate the sock liner, the shoes buckle at the ankle area when flexed forward (the outer side of the shoes open up), and their extreme wideness is a myth. Not nearly as comfortable for my wide forefoot as either Big Shot Lite 2.5's or Yonex Fusion Rev. Stability and cushioning are mediocre, at best. Really, a sub-par shoe in every respect for me.

    Two of my students bought the Rush, again a shoe with really nice cosmetics, and both absolutely destroyed the toes in a short period of time -- extra ventilation at no extra cost.
     
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  12. WestboroChe

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    My understanding was always that Wilson makes some of the best tennis shoes out there. Unfortunately they seem to think that no men wear anything less than a size 8 as many of their models seek to start there. As such I haven't had a chance to try them out. Fortunately Yonex gets it and makes shoes for my little elf feet and I am pretty happy with them since K Swiss decided to go all in on light fast shoes (i.e. shoes with no cushioning or support).
     
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    With so many great shoe brands out there; adidas, asics, Nike, yonex etc.... why would you bother with Wilson?
     
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  14. WestboroChe

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    I don't know. Maybe because they make good tennis shoes? I have heard good things about them and unlike Nike Wilson has a big presence in tennis that goes beyond fashion and apparel. And IMO Nike are not good tennis shoes.
     
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    Good tennis shoes? You are in the minority who thinks so.... don't like Nike? No problem, still have adidas, asics, etc... plus the 9.5 is a big seller, not my favorite, but they must be doing something right? In sales I would guess it would be Nike, Asics, adidas. Not sure in which order but Wilson is far down the list. Yes, they have a big presence in tennis, in racquets and string, not footwear.
     
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  16. Chotobaka

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    Wilson once made the very best tennis shoe on the planet. That was the all-leather upper Pro Staff with actual tire tread as the outsole. But that was five decades ago and shoe construction was pretty basic in those days.
     
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  17. WestboroChe

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    Yes they are way down the list. That doesn't mean they aren't good though. Shoe manufacturing isn't rocket science though and the only impediment to designing a good tennis shoe is the desire to make it.
     
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    Well they didn't do tremendously well in TW's reviews either so.... they don't sell well and didn't test well, maybe they aren't that good? You seem to think otherwise....

    You are right designing and creating shoes isn't rocket science, yet many companies can't seem to get it right.
     
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  19. WestboroChe

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    Ha ha. Perhaps you are right. As I said I can't get them in my size and the last pair of Wilsons I bought were over 10 years ago.

    I was also thinking about this and how it's totally understandable why people would be reluctant to try a new brand as the shoes all go for over $100 and you can't know if it's going to really work for you until you actually play with it and then you can't return them.

    Of course Babolat seems to have solved this problem as every other player at the courts now sports those shoes. I guess attaching your brand to someone like Nadal helps even if he wears Nike.
     
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  20. gusgrand

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    It's not like Wilson haven't attached themselves to the womans and mens champions with the most slams ever won in the history of the game!
     
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    I have a pair of the Rush Pro 2.0's & I think they are outstanding tennis shoes. Right up there w/ the best of the other companies in terms of comfort, stability, support, etc. Overall just a great shoe. I got a pair of the Kaos & it wasn't as good though. I am really looking at getting a pair of the Rush Pro 2.5's as I heard great things about them.
     
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    Actually their Rush Pro 2.0 & newer 2.5's tested very well w/ Tennis Warehouse. Comparable to the top brands top of the line shoes.




    I would have to agree with their assessment that the Rush Pro 2.0's that I have compared favorably with the Nike Lunar Ballistecs, Adidas Barricades & Babolat Propulse line shoes. I've had just about every brand shoe & the Rush Pro shoe is a great option.

    The reason they are not as popular as some of the major brands is that they are primarily tennis focused. Whereas brands like Nike, Adidas, Asics, etc have an entire sports line, brands such as Wilson, Babolat, Yonex, etc are much smaller & focused on specific sports.
     
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  23. BorgCash

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    Correct. But not so long ago. Sampras used them for a while, even under different pj, I think it was in the beginning of the 90's, so just 2,5 decades ago:)
     
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  24. antonell07

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    I had exactly the same feeling when I started my service at Wilson footwear. Holish.... what a global mess, especially the rush pro 1.0.

    Uneasy, But we proudly changed the paradigm, we created a full 200 and so pages of best practice out of the best knowledge acquired after 15 years of shoe making. In a turn of a season, we jumped from dark to light. The job is still far to be done, but I believe the Wilson crew has a strong base to evolve from it.

    From another stand point, It would be really interesting to see or measure an outcome if we could select a population and blind test the players from a selected amount of shoes out in the market (all best brands at a competitive price).

    each player would test the shoes without knowing whats on their feet. Then we would rank from best to worse with a selection of objective points like heel hold, forefoot hold, arch of the foot hold, overall comfort.... regardeless of the design, colors, brand, which top athlete wears it etc....

    I really doubt, but really, that the rush series from 2.0 an then, the Kaos and then would be at the tail of the ranking. I conceed the love or the attraction to the brand, but I know by doing that what we did is simply true to tennis players. Maybe too low to the ground at the heel with a drop of 6mm. If I could, I would have made it even better so 10 mm. I hope the Wilson crew will improve the drop with the next rush pro 3.0 by turning the 6 to 10 and make this opus even better. I would invite anybody to try a pair of 2.5 or kaos line with the improved fit, at the spec shop close to your place and come back here with objective opinion.
     
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  25. airchallenge2

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    Great post and thanks for the inside info. Please keep in mind that design, colors and brand come first. Why? Because they are the reasons why one would pick up your shoe from the shelf in the first place. You might build the best tennis shoe ever! and nobody will ever find out because it's dead ugly.
     
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  26. antonell07

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    You are absolutely right. beautiful and meaningful is key for success for minor or medium brands. but trust me, even the ugliest shoe ever given to the most appealing athlete will sell through.Thats my other point here.
    I will try an Uchrony by asking: would the vapor series sell that well without starring Roger Federer? We will never know. what I know instead, is how quick these shoes are wearing-off. I truly believe in specialist stores where variety of offer deserve to be tried mind open. Thats where Wilson footwear comes in.
     
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  27. WestboroChe

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    To me the issue of one of marketing. When most of the best players in the world are using a particular brand you think to yourself "If it's good enough for that player it should be good enough for me"*. So when it comes time to buy shoes you don't even think to look for a brand such as Wilson or Prince even if they make fine tennis shoes.

    I was having a similar discussion about Prince racquets which are almost invisible on the tour these days. And its the same thing. If the brand is invisible, no one will even consider it. It's hard to match Nike's sponsorship dollars though.

    *Nike's may be fine comfort wise, etc. but in my experience they tend to fall apart very quickly. That doesn't matter to someone like Fedal who doesn't pay for his shoes and probably uses new ones each day. But not for us workaday slobs.
     
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    I will say the new Kaos that I just received fits even better than the original, and required no break-in out of the box. It's my go-to shoe for now, and just ordered another Burn 100S/Kaos combo for only $69. It's an awesome deal, basically the shoe for less than $70 and a free racquet.
     
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  29. haqq777

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    Oh did it go down from $99.00 to $69.00 now?
     
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    Yes, the Burn is on sale for $69, and when I put it in the cart it let me pick a pair of shoes. The cart showed $89 for the shoes, then -89 for the combo deal.


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  31. haqq777

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    Thanks, I just checked and you are correct. It was $99 a few weeks ago for the two hence the curiosity. Great deal nevertheless!
     
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    If only they had my size and I hadn't bought new racquets in September. But that's always me. I always have to pay full price for shoes and I always buy something before it goes on sale.
     
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    I used to wear both the leather and mesh versions of Pro Staff all the time in the 80’s snd 90’s.
     
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    I've bought a few pairs of Kaos shoes (black and red) and they have a comfortable wide fit and the soles are pretty durable. However they seem to cause heel blisters.
    I wonder if anyone can comment on the 2.0 version and whether it's a better shoe?
     
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