Not to discourage any teens on this forum who hope to be a ATP pro one day but I was looking up a player who won a local tournament in my area and there's no money to be made in tennis unless you are in the top 200. This player is Evan Song. He's been pro for 8 years or so. He's constantly ranked around the 300s and he's made almost nothing in his career. He won a future tournament and received $3K which was his biggest winning of his career. That $3K he made probably doesn't even cover the travel expenses. It crazy to think he spent all his life on the courts and can't make a living. So I guess you do this to follow your dream and not the money.
No money in tennis outside of top 200
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If you can maintain a ranking of #105 (or whatever the direct entry to slams is) you get at minimum 4 1R checks totalling 250k-ish + whatever you make the rest of the year. Not too bad.
If you're a pro for 8 years and are still playing 3k tournies, maybe get a job and play open tournaments for money on the weekend.
If you're a pro for 8 years and are still playing 3k tournies, maybe get a job and play open tournaments for money on the weekend.
I searched the current 200 ranked player, Stefano Napolitano. He has been a pro for six years and worked his way up from 400 to now 200. He has earned $388K over the 6 years and made $20K just in 2019, with a 2019 run rate of $120K. So there is some food/rent money for players in the 100-200s. You can't really compare against decathlons and swimmers cause there's really no money even if you are top 10, they make their money from sponsorship. Let's focus on prime time sports we see regular on ESPN. For NBA, MLB, NBA the 300th best player is making good money compared to most of us. The minimum salary for making the team is around $500K. NFL has 32 team with a 52 man roster so the 1664 ranked NFL player is making a minimum of $500K. . Even the NFL practice squad players(equivalent to being ranked in the 3000s) are making a paycheck which allows for a living. Looking at the PGA it is about the same as the ATP. 200 rank is making about $100K year. 300th ranking is not even making minimum wages. I guess the lesson for young players is follow your dreams but don't skip college. Play college tennis and get a degree while you are at it.
I hope you are smarter than what you posted in this thread. Football (NFL) is a very dangerous sport. It will give you CTE later in life. About 70% of NFL players is black and probably the vast majority of them come from very poor families and from the ghetto and football is the only way for them to improve upward mobility. No sane people will tell you that 500k/yr is worth it if one can get CTE later on in life.
I live in upscale neighborhood and nobody let their kids play either american football or soccer, knowing that as the kids get older, the collision will become more violent and can cause concussions and potential CTE later in their lives. The kids either play tennis, golf or swimming. These families know that the chance of becoming a tennis pro as a living is even less than winning the lottery. In my neighborhood, people have enough money to pay for their kids college education that they don't even bother with tennis scholarship. They use tennis as a way to get into good colleges and networking in their professional careers.
I live in upscale neighborhood and nobody let their kids play either american football or soccer, knowing that as the kids get older, the collision will become more violent and can cause concussions and potential CTE later in their lives. The kids either play tennis, golf or swimming. These families know that the chance of becoming a tennis pro as a living is even less than winning the lottery. In my neighborhood, people have enough money to pay for their kids college education that they don't even bother with tennis scholarship. They use tennis as a way to get into good colleges and networking in their professional careers.
That's 16 players; now count the rest of the NFL. NFL is a lot more than 16. "Vast majority" would be, say, 95%. "Very poor" would be, say, below the federal poverty line. So, to prove your point rather than cherry-picking data, you'd have to show that 95% of black NFL players came from families below the poverty line. That's what I mean by "data".
BTW: you counted "Michael Oher" twice.
BTW: you counted "Michael Oher" twice.
You can read this and reach your own conclusion: https://thesocietypages.org/engagin...class-and-opportunities-in-american-football/
It does state your 70% # [68.7%].
It does not state your opinion "probably the vast majority of them come from very poor families and from the ghetto". It did talk about negative socioeconomic differences but your phrasing takes it to an extreme that the article did not.
The conclusion I draw is that you extrapolated a view based on your perceptions. Not that the article didn't raise good points; it did. But it did so in a much less biased way than you.
If you had written your original post referencing this article rather than the above statement, you would have had more credibility.
It does not state your opinion "probably the vast majority of them come from very poor families and from the ghetto". It did talk about negative socioeconomic differences but your phrasing takes it to an extreme that the article did not.
The conclusion I draw is that you extrapolated a view based on your perceptions. Not that the article didn't raise good points; it did. But it did so in a much less biased way than you.
If you had written your original post referencing this article rather than the above statement, you would have had more credibility.
I just made a general comment on how there's little money in tennis even if you are one of the best 300 player in the world. I was just surprised that a 300 ranked player makes almost nothing in the sport. Yes I'm smart enough to understand that the NFL is more dangerous than tennis. But that's not the point of my discussion. Fine take the NFL out the discussion. Let's just compare to the MLB and NBA which is a much less violent sport.
Where do you live in the United States?
Many years ago, I worked as an IT consultant in Coral Gables Florida where the U. of Miami is located. People there called "the U". At the time, I love american football and I came by and watch their practices as often as I could. Many of the players came from housing projects in tough ghetto neighborhoods. A lot of them come from families with step siblings (e.g. single mother with multiple kids from different fathers). You don't know it unless you live in it. Right now, I am not that far from Baltimore City and it is exactly the same thing, run down neighborhood and probably 95% of people there live in poverty. Most coaches will tell you that this is where you find exceptional D1 college football recruits. They are so poor that football is the only way out to upward mobility.
It is because both the MLB and NBA have the revenue sharing system where, if I not mistaken, is pretty 50/50 between the owners and the players. MLB and NBA also get a big share of revenue from sponsorship and TV revenues.
I think in tennis, players only get at most, again if I am not mistaken, 22% of the revenue. That's probably why the 300th ranked player gets nothing
I think in tennis, players only get at most, again if I am not mistaken, 22% of the revenue. That's probably why the 300th ranked player gets nothing
The author of this article refers to a study that kids from well off families have a better chance of making it to the NBA. For the NFL, he just tries to look at the Dallas market, and again the results are a bit surprising. I too assumed that poorer kids would have more hunger and drive to make it. However, it doesn't seem to be the case. The author brings up a good point that when you are poor, there are a lot of things working against you just to live on a day to day basis.
It would be interesting to see though with concussions whether the pendulum would swing more towards kids from poorer families playing football:
https://medium.com/themap/dfw-the-nfl-and-kids-achieving-potential-in-all-fields-ca7c2282520b
It would be interesting to see though with concussions whether the pendulum would swing more towards kids from poorer families playing football:
https://medium.com/themap/dfw-the-nfl-and-kids-achieving-potential-in-all-fields-ca7c2282520b
