no such thing as "the big four"

veroniquem said:
What clay hogging? Fed has won 60 of his 85 titles on hard court/carpet. That's about the same %: 70 something.
What lack of versatility? Nadal has won titles on every surface. He's also the only player who did the clay sweep (3 masters + RG), the grass sweep (Queen's + Wimbledon) AND the summer hard court sweep (2 masters + slam)
He's also 1 of only 4 players in open era who have won the 4 slams.
And he's the only player to have won slams on clay, grass and hard in the same season.
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HC comprises 65% of the tour and Fed's titles correspond with that. Clay comprises 30-35% of the tour.

All 10+ major champions dominate 2 of 3 surfaces at least. (Borg, Sampras and Fed with 5+ majors on 2 surfaces) showing versatility.
 
VexlanderPrime said:
H2H never comes into play. Ever. Total garbage stat for the uninformed. Literally tells you nothing about the quality of a particular tennis player.
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Rafa's h2h over all the top players (though clay skewed) is indeed spectacular. Though it is double accounting as we are counting the titles anyway.
 
tennisaddict said:
Rafa's h2h over all the top players (though clay skewed) is indeed spectacular. Though it is double accounting as we are counting the titles anyway.
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I put no stock in it whatsoever b/c its clay skewed and his injury hiatuses / losses to lessor players protected it. In comparison, Fed is tanking his H2H vs Novak in 2015 but earning waaaaaaaay more respect than Rafa who has protected his H2H by losing before he can even reach Novak.
 
tennisaddict said:
If Rafa gets to 18 majors, then his h2h, masters and win % will come into play and will compensate for his lack of versatility, weeks at number 1 , lack of WTF and clay hogging (46 of 65 titles).

But till then the masters titles and win % are just trivia.
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Let's just hope Rafa can get 18 somehow :twisted:
 
Before long Novak will:

- Lead Nadal in big 5 titles (currently 12-14)
- Possess all big 5 titles (Nadal lacks WTF)
- Lead Nadal in masters (currently 20-23)
- Lead Nadal in the H2H (even with the clay skew)
- Lead Nadal in YE#1 (currently tied 3-3)

He already leads Nadal in weeks at #1.

After this year, Novak will have a serious argument about being greater than Nadal.
 
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WhiskeyEE said:
Before long Novak will:

- Lead Nadal in big 5 titles (currently 12-14)
- Possess all big 5 titles (Nadal lacks WTF)
- Lead Nadal in masters (currently 20-23)
- Lead Nadal in the H2H (even with the clay skew)
- Lead Nadal in YE#1 (currently tied 3-3)

He already leads Nadal in weeks at #1.

After this year, Novak will have a serious argument about being greater than Nadal.
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I doubt it means more to anyone, save 5555 :)
All that and Nadal will still be considered greater by the people that actually matter. Ex: tennis journalists/media/history. We'll see how "done" Nadal is and how not done Djokovic is in a couple years.
 
At least we won't have to listen to Mac parade Nadal's masters record and h2hs anymore. All he'll have left is his RG collection. Woo hoo.
 
Hilarious how butthurt Fed fans are about the h2h ownage, especially in Slam events. My only question is who cried more, Roger after A09 or his parasitic, devoid of purpose fanboys.
 
Ahh good, this debate again.

If you want you could say there is the elite 3, followed by Murray in a class of his own followed by everyone else.

Fedalovic
Murray



The rest.


Was this term "big 4" not a phrase to cover the 4 players that were consistently making the semi's and better of all the big tournaments? In which case Murray is a member of the big 4.

Tell me who else outside of those players comes close to Murray from the same time period (ie. not Hewitt, different time period)
 
jm1980 said:
Yeah but then you could also say "there's no such thing as the 'big three'", it's the 'big two' with Federer and Nadal"

It just depends on how big you want the group to be. Murray is clearly way ahead of everybody else.
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Let's be honest JM1980, there is only the Big One aka The Maestro:)
 
BringBackSV said:
Hilarious how butthurt Fed fans are about the h2h ownage, especially in Slam events. My only question is who cried more, Roger after A09 or his parasitic, devoid of purpose fanboys.
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No, we aren't hurt. That is a myth. You guys bring this childish h2h logic and then cry about it when you are debunked by 2nd grade reasoning. Any child can debunk that.

So, it's you who are hurt and then pretend that we are hurt, just because we point out the stupidity.

And the same goes for weak era and injury excuses and whatever fairytale you guys love to want to tell yourselves to deflect from the real truth.

It's you guys who can't deal with reality.

Hey, If I say that Earth is not 6k years old, I'm not being hurt or a hater, I'm just pointing out the stupidity.
 
Even andy's mom calling it a big four?
I think that is a bit arrogant..
 
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