Nobody beats Monfils 20 times in a row? Can Gael finally beat the Greatest?

Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
50/50? 19-0 H2H and 24-0 in slams. The only time he troubled Novak, was when he pushed like Chang in the USO match back in '16.

Not watching, but Monfils won't win this match.
Versus Chang in 2016 his elbow was already heavily damaged from 2015 US Open fall.

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Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's Records Against Rivals
Djokovic's Most Dominant Streaks:
– vs Gael Monfils: 20-0
– vs Jeremy Chardy: 14-0
– vs Andreas Seppi: 12-0
– vs Milos Raonic: 12-0
– vs Taylor Fritz: 10-0

Most Dominant Records in the Open Era
Longest Unbeaten Streaks:
1. Djokovic vs Monfils: 20-0
2. Nadal vs Gasquet: 18-0
3. Borg vs Gerulaitis: 17-0
4. Federer vs Youzhny: 17-0
5. Federer vs Ferrer: 17-0
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's Records Against Rivals
Djokovic's Most Dominant Streaks:
– vs Gael Monfils: 20-0
– vs Jeremy Chardy: 14-0
– vs Andreas Seppi: 12-0
– vs Milos Raonic: 12-0
– vs Taylor Fritz: 10-0

Most Dominant Records in the Open Era
Longest Unbeaten Streaks:
1. Djokovic vs Monfils: 20-0
2. Nadal vs Gasquet: 18-0
3. Borg vs Gerulaitis: 17-0
4. Federer vs Youzhny: 17-0
5. Federer vs Ferrer: 17-0

Most impressive might be Borg 17-0 vs Gerulaitis and Connors 17-1? vs Gerulaitis .
Gerulaitis was ranked #3. And had deep runs at Majors. Won Australian Opens.
To have dominance over that type of player is unprecedented.

Djoker is 20-0 but the clown Monfils never even won a Masters. Let alone a Major like Gerulaitis.
 

junior74

Bionic Poster
Young Our Djoker performing a natural hug after meeting #1:
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... like Joan Harris after they shot Martin Luther King jr in Mad Men
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Most impressive might be Borg 17-0 vs Gerulaitis and Connors 17-1? vs Gerulaitis .
Gerulaitis was ranked #3. And had deep runs at Majors. Won Australian Opens.
To have dominance over that type of player is unprecedented.

Djoker is 20-0 but the clown Monfils never even won a Masters. Let alone a Major like Gerulaitis.
Not to mention that Vitas was the one to coin the phrase used in the title of this thread(he said after beating Connors at the Masters - "nobody beats Gerulaitis 16 times in a row)
 

Golden-24

Rookie
Djokovic's Records Against Rivals
Djokovic's Most Dominant Streaks:
– vs Gael Monfils: 20-0
– vs Jeremy Chardy: 14-0
– vs Andreas Seppi: 12-0
– vs Milos Raonic: 12-0
– vs Taylor Fritz: 10-0

Most Dominant Records in the Open Era
Longest Unbeaten Streaks:
1. Djokovic vs Monfils: 20-0
2. Nadal vs Gasquet: 18-0
3. Borg vs Gerulaitis: 17-0
4. Federer vs Youzhny: 17-0
5. Federer vs Ferrer: 17-0

Never lost a set against Chardy in 14 matches, that's even more impressive.
 

happyandbob

Legend
It is the worst H2H of all time. 19-0.

Gael has come close a few times, Dubai 2020 was his best chance so far but was unable to do it. Novak is looking pretty decent for his first showing, but it is still very early days for everyone. If there was ever a time for Gael to catch Novak off, it would be now.

Can he do it?

Haha, nice. I was just laughing the other day with a buddy of mine about that Vitas Gerulaitis quote.
 

norcal

Legend
People far less talented has won match against novak. Maybe it is some mental block .
20 0 is way too much to digest.
Yeah near the end one of the announcers said, "well if you know you are going to lose, maybe you want to lose the way you are most comfortable"

Other announcer: that's the dumbest mindset ever
 
Following that idea, Nole also makes Monfils look like the fool he is, and Monfils is even older (9 months) than Nole, not younger. LOL.

Yea but monfils was always a bum that never did anything. He has nothing to lose. If djoker beats sinner or alcaraz next year they have a lot of credibility to lose
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
This is the H2H that always stands out to me. Ferrer was a great player so for Federer to never lose to him in 17 meetings is extremely impressive.
I still viividly remember how, after Kyrgios had convincingly beaten Nadal at Cincinnati 2017, he had to face Ferrer the next round. And, as weird as it may sound, a broken-body and super old Ferrer gave Nicholas a hell of a match and a bigger fight than Nadal. Ferrer was like a bulldog, fighting for every point from the baseline and displaying grest will power, combined with his effective returns. And that was the oldest Ferrer, so go figure what'd have happened if Kyrgios had faced Ferrer at his peak (Kyrgios hates short ninja-like returnbots such as Nishikori). That day I was impressed by the level displayed by ancient Ferru.

So yes, Federer neutralizing 17-0 a big fighter and good player like Ferrero is as shocking as it gets.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I still viividly remember how, after Kyrgios had convincingly beaten Nadal at Cincinnati 2017, he had to face Ferrer the next round. And, as weird as it may sound, a broken-body and super old Ferrer gave Nicholas a hell of a match and a bigger fight than Nadal. Ferrer was like a bulldog, fighting for every point from the baseline and displaying grest will power, combined with his effective returns. And that was the oldest Ferrer, so go figure what'd have happened if Kyrgios had faced Ferrer at his peak (Kyrgios hates short ninja-like returnbots such as Nishikori). That day I was impressed by the level displayed by ancient Ferru.

So yes, Federer neutralizing 17-0 a big fighter and good player like Ferrero is as shocking as it gets.
Federer was the old goat.

He dominated many generations. Ferrer just doesn't have enough firepower to beat Fed and in some years where Ferrer was at his best, they met on faster courts.

Who wins in RG 2013 - Federer of Ferrer?
Ferrer could have only hope when it's very slow and he was at his best. Post 2010.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
Monfils has casual attitude. That almost never worked vs the goat. Need to be ready to die out there to beat Djokovic, even vs Nadal you could blitz him on faster courts.
In fact, even in the Brisbane match, Monfils always break himself. To beat Djokovic, even this 37-year-old version, you have to be patient, a word not conceived in the Frenchman's vocabulary.
 
I think he's just no that bright

This is the only explanation of why a guy with good movement, 100mph+ groundies, a 145mph doesn't even contest a slam final.

I have a lot of questions for him but I don't speak french and cba.

Part of me thinks he is a legend, part of me thinks what the hell monfils???

Murray won 3 slams with a fraction of Monfils' technical ability.
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
Can someone tell me why is it so easy for Djokovic to beat Monfils?

I thought Monfils' game would trouble Djoko, giving him no pace.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Can someone tell me why is it so easy for Djokovic to beat Monfils?

I thought Monfils' game would trouble Djoko, giving him no pace.
Its not easy for Djokovic at all. Many of the 3 set matches have gone the distance.
Maybe last few matches it has been easier.

In five setters, Monfils lack the stamina playing his pushy no pace game.
 

tennis24x7

Hall of Fame

It is the worst H2H of all time. 19-0.

Gael has come close a few times, Dubai 2020 was his best chance so far but was unable to do it. Novak is looking pretty decent for his first showing, but it is still very early days for everyone. If there was ever a time for Gael to catch Novak off, it would be now.

Can he do it?
Somewhere Gasquet is raising a toast to this!
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Monfils is not the only French player to have a 0-20 against an elite player.

Can someone tell me who else has suffered this same fate?
 
This is the only explanation of why a guy with good movement, 100mph+ groundies, a 145mph doesn't even contest a slam final.

I have a lot of questions for him but I don't speak french and cba.

Part of me thinks he is a legend, part of me thinks what the hell monfils???

Murray won 3 slams with a fraction of Monfils' technical ability.
You are singing very diffrent tune . Murray and monfils dont fit together. At his height murray was only one who fought well against big 3. Monfilis was never that good enough. No masters . No slam finals.
Murray was far more hungry for slams than monfilis. More suitable comparision is novak partner in brisbane.
 
Amazing. Monfils was the most suucesful junior in last 20 years.
Also note that a lot of recent junior winners have flopped in the pros.


YearAustralian OpenFrench OpenWimbledonUS Open
2004Gaël MonfilsGaël MonfilsGaël MonfilsAndy Murray
2005Donald YoungMarin ČilićJérémy ChardyRyan Sweeting
2006Alexandre SidorenkoMartin KližanThiemo de BakkerDušan Lojda
2007Brydan KleinUladzimir IgnatikDonald YoungRičardas Berankis
2008Bernard TomicYang Tsung-huaGrigor DimitrovGrigor Dimitrov
2009Yuki BhambriDaniel BertaAndrey KuznetsovBernard Tomic
2010Tiago FernandesAgustín VelottiMárton FucsovicsJack Sock
2011Jiří VeselýBjorn FratangeloLuke SavilleOliver Golding
2012Luke SavilleKimmer CoppejansFilip PeliwoFilip Peliwo
2013Nick KyrgiosCristian GarínGianluigi QuinziBorna Ćorić
2014Alexander ZverevAndrey RublevNoah RubinOmar Jasika
2015Roman SafiullinTommy PaulReilly OpelkaTaylor Fritz
2016Oliver AndersonGeoffrey BlancaneauxDenis ShapovalovFélix Auger-Aliassime
2017Zsombor PirosAlexei PopyrinAlejandro Davidovich FokinaWu Yibing
2018Sebastian KordaTseng Chun-hsinTseng Chun-hsinThiago Seyboth Wild
2019Lorenzo MusettiHolger RuneShintaro MochizukiJonáš Forejtek
2020Harold MayotDominic Stricker
2021Luca Van AsscheSamir BanerjeeDaniel Rincón
2022Bruno KuzuharaGabriel DebruMili PoljičakMartín Landaluce
2023Alexander BlockxDino PrižmićHenry SearleJoão Fonseca
2024Rei SakamotoKaylan BigunNicolai Budkov KjærRafael Jódar
Note: Some tournaments in 2020 were canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
so did alcaraz not compete in these in juniors?
 
You are singing very diffrent tune . Murray and monfils dont fit together. At his height murray was only one who fought well against big 3. Monfilis was never that good enough. No masters . No slam finals.
Murray was far more hungry for slams than monfilis. More suitable comparision is novak partner in brisbane.

Murray had an average forehand, an inconsistent but powerful first serve, one of the worst second serves I've ever seen, coupled with a defensive mindset.

Monfils had no technical weaknesses at all. A bigger and better serve than Murray, a better forehand but his tactical game and his mental strength was worse than Murray's second serve.


How am I arguing this? We are talking about talent, not greatness. Monfils was a bigger talent than Murray get over it. Murray made the game look painful to plan. Monfils', for all of his slumming and underachievement made the game look effortless and fun to play.

No one is taking Murray's technical game over Monfils; They might say they would but they are lying. Monfils could crank 145mph serves and 120mph forehands. Who on earth would not love to go out on court and have supreme power off the wings and serve? Murray has a top tier backhand no doubts, a great pass, lob and touch. That's where his skillset ends.

People seriously underrate the mental side of the game. Murray if he had the mentality Safin or Burguera had he wins 0 slams. He does not have the talent or the weaponry to get himself out of tough matches or the ability to take the racket out of his opponents hands. Players like JMDP, Wawrinka, Safin, Nalbandian didn't 'fight' against the 'big three', they played their game.


I've backed Murray for the last 6 years. He's an ATG imo. He is the only tennis player since 2010 I can bet my life on that never took PEDs of any sort that won multiple slams. But his game sucked, it was boring. I will not be cowering and saying he had more technical ability than Monfils - he just didn't.
 
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