'Nobody can compare with Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer'

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G.O.A.T.
Gasquet hasn’t won a set off Djokovic in 15 years and is 1-13 H2H which may have something to do with it…

But of course if there was any single human being who was uniquely placed to make the “pretty backhand” argument it would 100% be Gasquet lol. Let the man have his opinions.
Gasquet is 0-17 against Rafa. I don't think he "hates" Djokovic, he is just a Fedal fan.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Thanks Gasquet for speaking exactly like their media & their PR.

Noone expects fairness from your types but it is better if you expose your allies yourselves ! ;)
 
Pffttt. All DJokovic has to do is tie the slam record and he overtakes Nadal since he has 300 light years over Nadal at Weeks-years #1 and all those Year end titles. Fed isn't even in the discussion for GOAT anymore so no point in mentioning him. Nadal's only hope now is to get a 3-4 slam lead and Alcarez starts dominating. Short of that, he has no hope
 
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Deleted member 762343

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I am extremely sad that Gasquet and the OP don't like Djokovic, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life now. Even Djokovic should retire asap after that catastrophic news.
 

initialize

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Because most of them are ignorant of tennis statistics and accomplishments.

Pffttt. All DJokovic has to do is tie the slam record and he overtakes Nadal since he has 300 light years over Nadal at Weeks-years #1 and all those Year end titles. Fed isn't even in the discussion for GOAT anymore so no point in mentioning him. Nadal's only hope now is to get a 3-4 slam lead and Alcarez starts dominating. Short of that, he has no hope
Fed's still the GOAT. Stats only take someone so far. It's like arguing Bill Russell is the GOAT over Jordan because he has more rings than him
 
Fed's still the GOAT. Stats only take someone so far. It's like arguing Bill Russell is the GOAT over Jordan because he has more rings than him


You can't compare Team Sports with individual sports. Djoker has it where it counts with weeks and years #1 and masters, double career slam. Fed has it where it doesn't matter. All the important records he had, he has now lost, and hes missing the double career slam
 

canta_Brian

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noles resume is overall much better than both relatively speaking (though you can argue Nadal because of the extra slam of course) but not including djokovic? LOL

Fed has nothing of value over djokovic anymore at all. Nadal only has one extra slam which will be crushed as well unless he can somehow win 3 slams this year. Djoker has the rest of the records over him by a long shot
Are you asking me to take your opinion over that of a long time professional tennis player?

Many of us can read match results. Very few people can actually say what it is like to face all three of these players. I’m happy to trust the judgement of Richard in this case, but you do you.
 

initialize

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You can't compare Team Sports with individual sports. Djoker has it where it counts with weeks and years #1 and masters, double career slam. Fed has it where it doesn't matter. All the important records he had, he has now lost, and hes missing the double career slam
So your saying team sports has too many variables to narrow down the GOAT -- the same can be said with a player who's played more generations than Djokodal and is 6 years older
 
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TheNachoMan

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“H2H doesn’t matter, bud. It’s all about slams”
*Djokovic and Nadal proceed to equal/surpass Fed*
”Bud, you got it all wrong, it’s all about the endorsement money and how pretty their backhand is”
 
So your saying team sports has too many variables to narrow down the GOAT -- the same can be said with a player who's played more generations than Djokodal and is 6 years older

Saying Russell is GOAT is like saying Robert Horry is GOAT cause Horry was on stacked teams all over the place too. Even Durant and Lebron. They couldn't win anything until they went superteam stacking with other HOFer's. Tennis you can control your destiny.. Basketball is dependent upon on good your supporting cast is
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Between the "He's a professional player so his words carry way more weight than yours" argument and completely dismissing the pros' claims when they say something that hurts a fan's narrative, I find it hard to choose which approach is more hilarious lol...
 

initialize

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“H2H doesn’t matter, bud. It’s all about slams”
*Djokovic and Nadal proceed to equal/surpass Fed*
”Bud, you got it all wrong, it’s all about the endorsement money and how pretty their backhand is”

As a Fed fan I was never only about the "grand slams only" argument. To me Nadal is blatantly 3rd best behind both Fed and Djokovic. If he wins the slam race it will only further prove, IMO, that total slam count doesn't determine GOAThood
Saying Russell is GOAT is like saying Robert Horry is GOAT cause Horry was on stacked teams all over the place too. Even Durant and Lebron. They couldn't win anything until they went superteam stacking with other HOFer's. Tennis you can control your destiny.. Basketball is dependent upon on good your supporting cast is
Exactly, and similarly tennis is dependent on how strong or weak the field is that's playing you, which Nadal and Djokovic have most been benefiting from in the last several years
 
As a Fed fan I was never only about the "grand slams only" argument. To me Nadal is blatantly 3rd best behind both Fed and Djokovic. If he wins the slam race it will only further prove, IMO, that total slam count doesn't determine GOAThood

Exactly, and similarly tennis is dependent on how strong or weak the field is that's playing you, which Nadal and Djokovic have most been benefiting from in the last several years


Fed didn't benefit at all from a weak field too?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Djokovic after hearing Gasquet's comments:

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jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Gasquet didn't even mention Djokovic.
This is exactly right, it's hilarious how Nadal (and Fed) fans are acting like this is some slight to Djokovic when very clearly Gasquet was saying rising stars like Alcaraz can't compare to Fed and Nadal
 
It's fairly obvious that when thinking of the most inspirational tennis players he's seen, Djokovic didn't come up. Given his style, is that surprising? He doesn't often win in a jaw-dropping way. He simply out bludgeons and outlasts his opponents. I find his consistency and shot selection amazing. I am inspired by Djoker. I don't expect everyone to be, though.
 

Djokovic2011

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This isn't the first time Gasquet has deliberately omitted Djokovic's name and only talked about Federer and Nadal. Maybe there's some beef between the two of them we're not aware of 'cos there's no other reason for not mentioning Djokovic when talking about the best players ever.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
He does have more Wimbledon and US Open titles, tournaments won, matches won, more tour finals, an olympic gold medal. Can't you just relax? They're all great.
Djokovic has the worst fans, though.
Most of Djokovic's wins have come when Federer was wayyyyyy past his prime. Djokovic's competition when he was in his prime was immensely weak except a washed Federer and an often injured Nadal
 

Midaso240

Legend
Pffttt. All DJokovic has to do is tie the slam record and he overtakes Nadal since he has 300 light years over Nadal at Weeks-years #1 and all those Year end titles. Fed isn't even in the discussion for GOAT anymore so no point in mentioning him. Nadal's only hope now is to get a 3-4 slam lead and Alcarez starts dominating. Short of that, he has no hope
Give it a rest pal, have a bit of respect for legends. You talk about Nadal like he's some helpless chump, the guy has 21 slams. Same with Federer, come on man show a bit of respect
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
By extension, if you're not even good enough to play challengers and instead post on a tennis forum should anyone care about your opinion?

My God I can't even fathom that people with this kind of thinking exist...

Gasquet in 49:3 against Big 3. I mean, you can't make up this kind of stuff. He is as irrelevant as it can get as a top tennis pro player.

On the other hand, criticising anyone from here because they can't even play in challenger is one of the stupidest agruments I've read in a long time. It's like watching a movie of your favorite actor and someone saying it's bad, and then you say why should anyone care for that guy's opinion if he can't even play at local theatre. Interpidish at his peak stupidity, what a simple view on life.

It's a freaking tennis forum, it's meant to have thousands of people who are not pros with different opinions.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
My God I can't even fathom that people with this kind of thinking exist...

Gasquet in 49:3 against Big 3. I mean, you can't make up this kind of stuff. He is as irrelevant as it can get as a top tennis pro player.

On the other hand, criticising anyone from here because they can't even play in challenger is one of the stupidest agruments I've read in a long time. It's like watching a movie of your favorite actor and someone saying it's bad, and then you say why should anyone care for that guy's opinion if he can't even play at local theatre. Interpidish at his peak stupidity, what a simple view on life.

It's a freaking tennis forum, it's meant to have thousands of people who are not pros with different opinions.

The fact that you can't understand an analogy is rather revealing. The poster suggested that Gasquet's tennis skill level should determine whether his view on other players was worth anything.

No one here has a skill level even remotely as high as Gasquet's. Therefore, no one here should make such an argument if that poster wishes to have his/her own opinion taken seriously by the logic of that same poster.

Peak stupidity indeed.
 

AO13

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The fact that you can't understand an analogy is rather revealing. The poster suggested that Gasquet's tennis skill level should determine whether his view on other players was worth anything.

No one here has a skill level even remotely as high as Gasquet's. Therefore, no one here should make such an argument if that poster wishes to have his/her own opinion taken seriously by the logic of that same poster.

Peak stupidity indeed.

I perfectly understood user's post and your rather stupid post, but thanks for clarifying again your reply with another arogant reply.

Gasquet is irelevant, that's my opinion also. Shame on my not playing at least challenger tour, but saying this.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
I perfectly understood user's post and your rather stupid post, but thanks for clarifying again your reply with another arogant reply.

Gasquet is irelevant, that's my opinion also. Shame on my not playing at least challenger tour, but saying this.


I'm afraid you didn't understand the implications and are simply incoherent. The poster suggested that Gasquet's tennis skill level should determine whether his view on other players was worth a hearing.

No one here has a skill level even remotely as high as Gasquet's. Therefore, no one here should make such an argument if that poster wishes to have his/her own opinion taken seriously by that same logic. That includes you of course.

No one here would start a thread based on your view on who is a better player because your view simply doesn't matter compared to Gasquet's view for the reasons explained above.
 

Jonas78

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'Nobody can compare with Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer' - Richard Gasquet on greats of tennis at French Open

Nobody can compare with Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, according to French tennis favourite Richard Gasquet, who gave his thoughts on the current crop of Next Gen stars attempting to usurp the legendary duo. Gasquet was asked about rising star Carlos Alcaraz, who he could potentially face in the third round at Roland-Garros after both won their opening matches in Paris.


French tennis star Richard Gasquet has given his thoughts on the great players in the game at the start of Roland-Garros 2022.

The 35-year-old flamboyant player began his French Open campaign with a straight-sets, 6-1 6-3 6-4, victory over Lloyd Harris of South Africa on Tuesday afternoon.
He sat down with the ATP Tour for an interview ahead of his opening match on the red dirt in Paris and was asked about the prospect of potentially facing 19-year-old rising star Carlos Alcaraz in the third round and who he takes inspiration from.

What was abundantly clear from Gasquet was that, in his opinion, "nobody can compare" with Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, with the latter seeking a record-extending 14th title at Roland-Garros this fortnight.
"Of course, it’s an inspiration, but nobody can compare with Nadal, with Federer,” Gasquet told the ATP Tour, speaking about the rise of the likes of Alcaraz.
"These are the best players in the history of tennis, so it’s really tough for me to compare myself with these kinds of guys.

"Just to play my best, to have fun on the court, to feel some great things on the court — especially in big tournaments like Roland Garros, big stages.
"I’m still motivated to play… I’m still motivated to do my best to be still on top.

He is not wrong.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
They've never been the most stable of fanbases at the best of times but since the RG semifinal last year they've gone completely doolally lol.

Yep but I should be specific. It's a certain group of them that have derailed into the wasteland. Lol
 

BH40love

Semi-Pro
noles resume is overall much better than both relatively speaking (though you can argue Nadal because of the extra slam of course) but not including djokovic? LOL

Fed has nothing of value over djokovic anymore at all. Nadal only has one extra slam which will be crushed as well unless he can somehow win 3 slams this year. Djoker has the rest of the records over him by a long shot

Says you compared to an ATP player with over 550 match wins.
 

mattennis

Hall of Fame
He meant "Nobody can compare with Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, and much less with Djokovic"

He thought it was obvious, so he left it out.
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
I'm afraid you didn't understand the implications and are simply incoherent. The poster suggested that Gasquet's tennis skill level should determine whether his view on other players was worth a hearing.

No one here has a skill level even remotely as high as Gasquet's. Therefore, no one here should make such an argument if that poster wishes to have his/her own opinion taken seriously by that same logic. That includes you of course.

No one here would start a thread based on your view on who is a better player because your view simply doesn't matter compared to Gasquet's view for the reasons explained above.

Thanks again for unnecessarily detailed explanation of your posts. The point is you like Federer and/or Nadal, hate Djokovic with all your heart and Bumsquet's view is suitable for you personaly. From my point of view, I like more Medvedev's interpretation who is the best out of Big 3, as he played against each one of them, beat them and won a Grand Slam, if we are talking about pro players' opinions. I repeat, Richard is irrelevant as pro player with that record of his against them and he can say whatever he want, it doesn't have any significance.

Now about opinions, comparing tennis knowledge of a random user from a tennis forum to almost 20 years tennis pro player is foolish, in the least... That's what you did in that first post basically, in a weird way by saying that his opinion would not matter because he is not a tennis player. It's an opinion, not a fact. And this is a place where we share our opinions.

I look forward to even longer post of yours now trying to look really eloquent. Unfortunately English is not my first English, I would enjoy having a debate with you on my mother tongue, it would be fun listening to you trying to say on hundred different ways same things.
 

dapchai

Legend
I look forward to even longer post of yours now trying to look really eloquent. Unfortunately English is not my first English, I would enjoy having a debate with you on my mother tongue, it would be fun listening to you trying to say on hundred different ways same things.
So what is your second or third English?
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Thanks again for unnecessarily detailed explanation of your posts. The point is you like Federer and/or Nadal, hate Djokovic with all your heart and Bumsquet's view is suitable for you personaly. From my point of view, I like more Medvedev's interpretation who is the best out of Big 3, as he played against each one of them, beat them and won a Grand Slam, if we are talking about pro players' opinions. I repeat, Richard is irrelevant as pro player with that record of his against them and he can say whatever he want, it doesn't have any significance.

Now about opinions, comparing tennis knowledge of a random user from a tennis forum to almost 20 years tennis pro player is foolish, in the least... That's what you did in that first post basically, in a weird way by saying that his opinion would not matter because he is not a tennis player. It's an opinion, not a fact. And this is a place where we share our opinions.

I look forward to even longer post of yours now trying to look really eloquent. Unfortunately English is not my first English, I would enjoy having a debate with you on my mother tongue, it would be fun listening to you trying to say on hundred different ways same things.


If Gasquet is irrelevant then you don't even exist. You continue to engage in the same incoherent manner and I do hope that summary was short enough for you.

And 'English is not my first English' either so if you let me know in which language you'd prefer to have your lesson, I'll do my best to oblige.
 

Mivic

Hall of Fame
It seems like every single day there is another professional kicking dirt in Djokovic's face. Hilarious.
Yes, because most people are simple minded morons who think your covid vaccination status is the single determinant of whether you're a morally sound human being or not. Its no coincidence that the number of fellow pros taking thinly veiled digs at him has increased exponentially since the AO saga. Same reason he didn't get cheered at Tsonga's farewell presentation today and got booed during his first round match. He should take it as a compliment really. I certainly would if I were him. Unfortunately the fact that you're a grown man (?) who's been flexing over Djokovic getting booed and the like by people who are clearly morons so that you can prop up your male idol indicates that you're probably a moron yourself.
 
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intrepidish

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Yes, because most people are simple minded morons who think your covid vaccination status is the single determinant of whether you're a morally sound human being or not. Its no coincidence that the number of fellow pros taking digs at him has increased exponentially since the AO saga. Same reason he didn't get cheered at Tsonga's farewell presentation today. He should take it as a compliment really. I certainly would.

You call people 'simple minded morons' and then...simple-mindedly refer to an unrelated topic like covid vaccination as the cause and also mind-read why people did or didn't applaud Djokovic at Tsonga's farewell.
 

AgassiSuperSlam11

Professional
I think what a player thinks or professional in any field is open to the same scrutiny with analysts and general public. Sometimes there is a disconnect between public opinion and the actual experts in a field. Albert Einstein was thought of being the most intelligent man by many and yet he conceded that Nikola Tesla was the person he regarded as the most intelligent. Both Beethoven and Mozart regarded Handel as the greatest composer, but few today would rate him higher than Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart. Laver who I regard as the GOAT still picks Fed, and many don't agree with this anymore. Michael Jordan regards Hakeem Olajuwan as the greatest Center and most of his peers would regard Wilt, Kareem, and Russell higher. Gasquet said what he said and it's just one opinion of a peer.
 

Mivic

Hall of Fame
Gasquet hasn’t won a set off Djokovic in 15 years and is 1-13 H2H which may have something to do with it…

But of course if there was any single human being who was uniquely placed to make the “pretty backhand” argument it would 100% be Gasquet lol. Let the man have his opinions.
Gasquet said fairly recently that in his opinion Djokovic is the hardest of the big three to play against (middle to end of last year sometime maybe), so something has surely happened in the meantime for him to take such an indiscreet swipe at him. I mean yeah he can think whatever he wants but if a guy is the front runner in virtually every statistical category that matters in the GOAT debate and you've said fairly recently that he's the hardest guy to beat then a comment like this seems like its meant as a bit of a dig and its likely an indication that something unrelated to tennis has been brewing in the guy's mind in my view, especially since the question that's being asked doesn't really require the type of response that was provided (it kinda feels like he's gone out of his way to shoe Fedal into his answer without mentioning Djokovic).

And even if it isn't a dig in this case, it's clear that a lot of Djokovic's fellow pros have been taking shots at him recently, which is a shame considering he's the one top guy who actually seems to care at least a little about the wellbeing of the lower ranked players. I just find it insane that this whole vaccination issue has turned so many people against each other tbh. Its sad. I obviously can't be sure that it's the case here, it might simply be a purely subjective preference for a certain brand of tennis which is being expressed, so I won't hold RG's comments against him, but in general it certainly feels like things have gotten a bit frosty for Djokovic since the ****show at the start of the year (although in terms of crowd response this seems to be pretty dependent on location, he has had his fair share of great receptions too, but France doesn't seem to be taking to him too well at all; boos for the defending champion on his return the other night and no response or applause whatsoever when his farewell video came up at the JWT presentation).
 
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AO13

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So what is your second or third English?

:-D

I'm tired brother, long day, it's almost 2 am here and I'm at night shift, please forgive me!

You call people 'simple minded morons'

When you use quotation, it refers to something someone precisely said/wrote. It has to be exactly what someone said. I didn't call anyone a moron neither wrote that ever here. I never called you a moron, I wouldn't do that. I just said your post and logic are stupid. Don't say I said something if I didn't.

and then...simple-mindedly refer to an unrelated topic like covid vaccination as the cause

I don't understand what you mean by that, what about Covid?

also mind-read why people did or didn't applaud Djokovic at Tsonga's farewell.

What? You misunderstood me for someone about that.

Edit: Damn I totally quoted the wrong post. Like I said, pretty tired. Never mind this.
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
If Gasquet is irrelevant then you don't even exist. You continue to engage in the same incoherent manner and I do hope that summary was short enough for you.

And 'English is not my first English' either so if you let me know in which language you'd prefer to have your lesson, I'll do my best to oblige.

Lol, what a arogant person you are. :-D

Gasquet is irrelevant in tennis, did he ever won a ATP 500? I know he never won Masters, I won't even Google him.

I let other people I know tell me if I am relevant or not, I don't care about your opinion on that matter. Just because someone's a mediocre sports player doesn't mean he's important. On contrary.
 
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