Noels chances for taking over the slam count

will noel still get to 21?

  • yes he is still the undisputed atg

    Votes: 25 32.1%
  • yes if hell freezes over

    Votes: 7 9.0%
  • no chance

    Votes: 38 48.7%
  • n/a noel should switch to a grass fed all protein based diet

    Votes: 7 9.0%
  • French open doesn't count because joekovid had kovid

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Total voters
    78

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
I agree, it's the second most important record in tennis after # of slams. Novak looks to be a lock now to pass Roger on that. Fed will regret not converting his MP's against Del Po at IW in 2018. Had he won that final, he would have padded his weeks at #1 by 12 more weeks.
there are many moments that federer, nadal and djokovic can regret. and novak looked like a lock to pass federers record after wimby 2019, and did he pass him? no. it is still a long way.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
nadal will win at least one more french open. but of course he will not stop there. he will continue to play until he not only breaks the record, but feels that his record is safe.

after todays performance i think he can win 3 more french opens and 1 other slam.
 
I really hope Rafa ends up with the most GS titles but I feel Joker has a very good chance at winning more. Unless there is a next generation that steps up or Joker gets injured he has an excellent chance of winning the most GS’s.
I disagree as he’s 3 back on nadal. Rafa is a lock at French, whereas Novak is not a lock at any slam. He’s a slight favourite at Aussi open and Wimbledon but he’s bearable there and margins are thin.

For me Rafa will end up first and the fight for 2nd place is between fed and djoko.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Yes but he still tries to win the others too much at times. I think it’s because he wants the weeks at no1. However, once he gets that he doesn’t need to play all these masters events. Plus I feel his Wimbledon and us open chances will be better if he plays a lighter schedule and doesn’t play Clay season or cuts it down.
He's going to have to adjust his schedule going forward. Playing tournaments like Madrid, ATP Cup, the Rogers Cup or Paris aren't necessary, he's already got the doubles Masters 1000 double (amazing achievement). Next year, he'll be 34, he needs to learn from how Roger scheduled himself as he got older.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
He's going to have to adjust his schedule going forward. Playing tournaments like Madrid, ATP Cup, the Rogers Cup or Paris aren't necessary, he's already got the doubles Masters 1000 double (amazing achievement). Next year, he'll be 34, he needs to learn from how Roger scheduled himself as he got older.
He's playing Vienna in a couple of weeks lol
 

threehandedbackhand

Professional
Have no idea why so many doubts about Djokovic are arising today. It is because a freshness of his 2020 RG loss and a scale of it (7-19 in games), isn't it?

Djokovic is still the main favourite both at AO and WIM.
He is more than capable to win another USO. Remember his 3 titles at Flushing Meadows is an underachievement, partly because he used most of his season energy before September.

Last 10 Slams bottom line:
5 Djokovic
4 Nadal

1 rest-of-the-world
is a good indicator.

It's nothing unusual in this scenario for the next 7 Slams:



Slam race status 22-22-20 before the 2022 USO.
Why not?
 
He's going to have to adjust his schedule going forward. Playing tournaments like Madrid, ATP Cup, the Rogers Cup or Paris aren't necessary, he's already got the doubles Masters 1000 double (amazing achievement). Next year, he'll be 34, he needs to learn from how Roger scheduled himself as he got older.
I agree completely. He needs to follow what roger did. Rafa was clever too. Many doubted his decision not to play us open but it paid off. He got his schedule correct. He focused his efforts on peaking for the french.

Novak needs to learn from roger and Rafa in this regard. Apparently in his interview he said he’s gonna target slams even more. He needs to play less events. Personally he has declined on clay too and his energy is best saved for hard courts and grass where he has better chances to win.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Man, these are some lousy poll options. I’d say about 50/50 right now. Remember that 21 doesn’t necessarily mean that he comes out on top.
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
He still has very high chances of doing it. At this point, he has way more chances to overtake Roger's record than Rafa's though.
 
Have no idea why so many doubts about Djokovic are arising today. It is because a freshness of his 2020 RG loss and a scale of it (7-19 in games), isn't it?

Djokovic is still the main favourite both at AO and WIM.
He is more than capable to win another USO. Remember his 3 titles at Flushing Meadows is an underachievement, partly because he used most of his season energy before September.

Last 10 Slams bottom line:
5 Djokovic
4 Nadal

1 rest-of-the-world
is a good indicator.

It's nothing unusual in this scenario for the next 7 Slams:



Slam race status 22-22-20 before the 2022 USO.
Why not?
He can win more slams but only if he adjusts his schedule and peaks for them. He’s gonna be 34 next year. For me he needs to target the hard court slams and Wimbledon.

Djoko needs to drop some masters events and maybe clay season. Or just play the french. He’s getting older and body more prone to injuries and fatigue. If he does this he’ll be a big contender still for these 3 slams next couple of years.
 
He still has very high chances of doing it. At this point, he has way more chances to overtake Roger's record than Rafa's though.
I feel djoko might catch fed or equal him at least as feds unlikely to add another at nearly 40. Fed may get another Wimbledon though. You can’t rule him out there. Rafa will likely end with the most as he’s so good at the french so he’s guaranteed more there and he will have his chances at others. Another us open or even Aussi open is not out the realms. Even at Wimbledon Rafa might get a break if fed or Novak get upset or not firing. He can beat the rest.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I agree, it's the second most important record in tennis after # of slams. Novak looks to be a lock now to pass Roger on that. Fed will regret not converting his MP's against Del Po at IW in 2018. Had he won that final, he would have padded his weeks at #1 by 12 more weeks.
That was peak Delpo 2.0 by a country mile rolling in after winning Acapulco so some hard luck.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
I disagree as he’s 3 back on nadal. Rafa is a lock at French, whereas Novak is not a lock at any slam. He’s a slight favourite at Aussi open and Wimbledon but he’s bearable there and margins are thin.

For me Rafa will end up first and the fight for 2nd place is between fed and djoko.
Novak slight favourite at Aussie Open??? What would he have to do to be clear favourite?

The evidence is clear. If he’s a) fit and b) not headspun, he wins in Melbourne.

He’s clear favourite for AO21.

Agree Rafa will be first in the race come the end though. Because of RG basically. Unreal how good he’s been there for so long.
 
Novak slight favourite at Aussie Open??? What would he have to do to be clear favourite?

The evidence is clear. If he’s a) fit and b) not headspun, he wins in Melbourne.

He’s clear favourite for AO21.

Agree Rafa will be first in the race come the end though. Because of RG basically. Unreal how good he’s been there for so long.
Well he’s the favourite for AO21. However, he was close to losing to thiem in the final. It was very close. No one is near Rafa at RG.

The same can’t be said for Novak at AO. That’s why I say he’s the slight favourite. Plus he’s not dominated AO like Rafa had at the french.
 

raph6

Semi-Pro
I think Roger has no more to come. Rafa will probably play until 2024 Olympics and for me has 2 or 3 more slams to come. Novak on the other hand will surely play 5 or 6 more years but the field will take his chances more than Rafa. I think he can still add 4 or 5 slams to his total.
So probably the final slam count will be something like :

Federer : 20
Nadal : 22
Novak : 21
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
I disagree as he’s 3 back on nadal. Rafa is a lock at French, whereas Novak is not a lock at any slam. He’s a slight favourite at Aussi open and Wimbledon but he’s bearable there and margins are thin.
Novak has AO almost like Nadal has French. He is NOT a slight favorite there - he's never lost after the SF. I would say heavy favorite. Same thing at Wimbledon. Who will stop Novak? Not a 40 year old Fed.
The UsOpen is obviously more open with more youngsters.
Look anything can happen. But things change fast in tennis. A year ago almost everyone thought Novak was a lock for GOAT - but then he got injured at the UsOpen. Now Nadal wins 1 RG and everyone thinks he will get ahead.

No one knows what will happen. But there's a LOT MORE plot twists and this will go right down to the wire.
 

nov

Rookie
Novak got robbed USO by linesman, Wimbledon by corona virus and actually lost only 1 match this year to Nadal on RG when Nadal played aggresive like never before and made almost all the shots. And you guys start creating topics about Djokovic chances.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
Novak has AO almost like Nadal has French. He is NOT a slight favorite there - he's never lost after the SF. I would say heavy favorite. Same thing at Wimbledon. Who will stop Novak? Not a 40 year old Fed.
The UsOpen is obviously more open with more youngsters.
Look anything can happen. But things change fast in tennis. A year ago almost everyone thought Novak was a lock for GOAT - but then he got injured at the UsOpen. Now Nadal wins 1 RG and everyone thinks he will get ahead.

No one knows what will happen. But there's a LOT MORE plot twists and this will go right down to the wire.

novak is nowhere close to be a lock at aus open or wimby. absolutely not. slight favourite, nothing more. maybe not slight at wimby, but still nowhere near nadal at the french open.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
He still has a shot because the rest of the tour is pure garbage. There hasn’t been the emergence of a great player since Djokovic 12 years ago.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Still very high. Though I hope that Nadal destroying him like this will give other players some more confidence when they play against him. Because this year it really looks like players mentally don't believe they can beat him.
Did Djokovic destroying Nadal at last year's AO give other players more confidence when they played against him?
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Did Djokovic destroying Nadal at last year's AO give other players more confidence when they played against him?
Players were not afraid of Nadal before this match, so I don't know what it changed. Anyway, Nadal was losing in every tournament he entered in 2019 before Rome. He was very beatable.
 

GabeT

Legend
Nole barely won his last two slams and now this RG debacle; he's out. o_O :eek:
Have we learned nothing? Still recall the dozens of threads stating Novak would never even reach double digit slams. As recently as 2018 FO most posters here thought he was done for snd then he won 5 more slams.

novak is fit, remains the world number 1, and is a contender at every slam and a favorite in 2, possibly 3 of them. He will win more slams and has several years to do so.
 

GabeT

Legend
I disagree as he’s 3 back on nadal. Rafa is a lock at French, whereas Novak is not a lock at any slam. He’s a slight favourite at Aussi open and Wimbledon but he’s bearable there and margins are thin.

For me Rafa will end up first and the fight for 2nd place is between fed and djoko.
Slight favorite at AO? Come on, don’t go down that path.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
He's playing Vienna, if he can't get the slam record he'll get the #1
and thats the right decision. weeks at number 1 record is unferrated. in distant future that record can be more important than the slam record. because in 30 years maybe no slams at all, maybe total different tour, but there will always be a number 1.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Have we learned nothing? Still recall the dozens of threads stating Novak would never even reach double digit slams. As recently as 2018 FO most posters here thought he was done for snd then he won 5 more slams.

novak is fit, remains the world number 1, and is a contender at every slam and a favorite in 2, possibly 3 of them. He will win more slams and has several years to do so.
Well that wasn't me and I had him as Wimbledon favorite early in 2018 clay season once it was clear his arm was fixed and the foundations of the new serve were forming.;)

Agree on Wimbledon 2021 100%. Just see him getting taxed more and more elsewhere by a bunch of youngerer playes who are tracking extremely well and now smell blood in the water after this RG. I've been calling this from before 2019 Auz when Medly and Shapo were his toughest opponents at 2019 Auz. Just a different kettle of fish now two years later with those two and others bringing much higher levels. He's not going to have Nishikori and Pouisse to kick around this time.;)
 
Well I have nothing to lose so I will predict Calendar Slam for Novak next year. It will be like Johny Ringo vs Doc Holiday, everybody laughing at Nole GOAT claim until he achived it.

 

GabeT

Legend
He’s favourite but it’s not clear cut he wins. Thiem nearly beat him this year. He’s not dominant at AO like Rafa is at the french.
Anything can happen but he has 8 AO. He hasn‘t been been beaten in HC in 41 matches. He is the clear favorite.

Thiem only came close because Novak was dehydrated, otherwise it would have been a straight set beatdown. Look at Thiem‘s results in the last two sets (couldn‘t break once and managed a single BP) after Novak began drinking enough
 

GabeT

Legend
Well that wasn't me and I had him as Wimbledon favorite early in 2018 clay season once it was clear his arm was fixed and the foundations of the new serve were forming.;)

Agree on Wimbledon 2021 100%. Just see him getting taxed more and more elsewhere by a bunch of youngerer playes who are tracking extremely well and now smell blood in the water after this RG. I've been calling this from before 2019 Auz when Medly and Shapo were his toughest opponents at 2019 Auz. Just a different kettle of fish now two years later with those two and others bringing much higher levels. He's not going to have Nishikori and Pouisse to kick around this time.;)
But Novak is the youngest of the B3, remains comfortably number1 and is in excellent physical shape. absent injury he may have another 6 years of play. He has plenty of opportunities to win more.
 
Novak has AO almost like Nadal has French. He is NOT a slight favorite there - he's never lost after the SF. I would say heavy favorite. Same thing at Wimbledon. Who will stop Novak? Not a 40 year old Fed.
The UsOpen is obviously more open with more youngsters.
Look anything can happen. But things change fast in tennis. A year ago almost everyone thought Novak was a lock for GOAT - but then he got injured at the UsOpen. Now Nadal wins 1 RG and everyone thinks he will get ahead.

No one knows what will happen. But there's a LOT MORE plot twists and this will go right down to the wire.
Novak is nowhere near as dominant at AO as Rafa is at the french. That in terms of titles, matches won, sets dropped, etc.

Thiem could have won this year. He was 2 sets to 1 up and Novak just clutched it out. It’s getting harder for him to close out matches and the field are getting better on hard courts especially.

He’s slight favourite but personally I think Novak has the best chance at Wimbledon next year.
 

Demented

Rookie
Keep in mind that fast court tennis(AO, Wimb) is heavily dependent on footspeed and serve. Both of those seem to be on the decline for Djokovic. Rafa thrives on the slow courts which seems to favor his style more as he ages. As long as the sand paper conditions persist at the US Open and RG isn't in a heat wave, Rafa will be able to compete and win at those events for another 3-4 years. Rafa's backhand has really leveled the playing field on slow courts for him. He can stretch everyone wide in both directions and keep them on the run more so than 5-10 years ago.
 
Anything can happen but he has 8 AO. He hasn‘t been been beaten in HC in 41 matches. He is the clear favorite.

Thiem only came close because Novak was dehydrated, otherwise it would have been a straight set beatdown. Look at Thiem‘s results in the last two sets (couldn‘t break once and managed a single BP) after Novak began drinking enough
I hope Novak wins more. I think he can I just think it’s getting more difficult. Yes Novak is on great hard court run but for me the field is more competitive. I hope Novak doesn’t go on a mental walkabout like he’s done before in 2nd half of 2016. Also some times in past he had let downs after tough losses. Hopefully it inspires me to go again after this loss.

His mentality is the most important. Plus he really needs to look after his body more especially the neck and arm. He shouldn’t overplay in smaller tournaments or play as many masters. For me personally he doesn’t need to go all out for them or even the clay season now.

As much as I love to see it, I’m afraid Novak isn’t winning another french open. There is no point exhausting the body in a long clay season when he’s very unlikely to win it. He needs to make sure he’s in best shape possible for Australia, Wimbledon and Us open.

I do like Novak’s Wimbledon chances though. I feel that will become his best slam now. He’s above the rest of field there with Fed but fed will be nearly 40 by Wimbledon 2021. He is a solid fav there I think.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
But Novak is the youngest of the B3, remains comfortably number1 and is in excellent physical shape. absent injury he may have another 6 years of play. He has plenty of opportunities to win more.
I do agree he can maintain a high level for years to come, but I think its going to be clear that Novak 3.0 reincarnation needs to happen. Federer and Nadal have done big changes to their game to stay relevant.

Novak is better at the same age, but geriatric and lostgen pigeons like Cryic, Berdych, Dimitrough, RaoMug et al are fast going extinct. They young may not be Big 3 caliber, but they are getting nearerer their speed peaks (23-24). Food for thought:
1. Medvedev won 58% of points at US Open coming into SF which is just dominant and he only managed 53% last year. The tour knows how to play him now, but he's still going to be going deep at events right and left.
2. Tsitsipas winning points on serve on hard courts this year at near Roddick levels and big jump on return to where he's near enough Sampras to win slams.
3. Shapo still just 21 and has piled up some dominant stats runs and US Open and Rome SF show he's going to be really close. He jumped a lot in level last Fall and then post Covid just obviouslly impressive. (To me Nole kind of owns Shapo)
4. Zverev - reality is he was sick against Sinner, but visually his volleying has improved dramatically. Eventually his 2nd serve has to come around.
5. Rublev - huge surprise this year with very strong serve and return numbers. I thought he had a ceiling of five in the world once the big 3 are gone, but highly likely to make tour finals this year.o_O I think he just had his Medvedev 2019 bump or is in the middle of it. Turns 23 this month, Medly turned 23 in early 2019.

and way back:
6. De Minaur - never expected much, but great serving in 2019 into early 2020; quietly made US Open QF. Outside shot at top ten this year without Covid. Playing Antwerp and Paris to close out year, maybe Sofia after Paris. Would not want to tangle with him at Australian Open this year as could be very draining match.
 

GabeT

Legend
I hope Novak wins more. I think he can I just think it’s getting more difficult. Yes Novak is on great hard court run but for me the field is more competitive. I hope Novak doesn’t go on a mental walkabout like he’s done before in 2nd half of 2016. Also some times in past he had let downs after tough losses. Hopefully it inspires me to go again after this loss.

His mentality is the most important. Plus he really needs to look after his body more especially the neck and arm. He shouldn’t overplay in smaller tournaments or play as many masters. For me personally he doesn’t need to go all out for them or even the clay season now.

As much as I love to see it, I’m afraid Novak isn’t winning another french open. There is no point exhausting the body in a long clay season when he’s very unlikely to win it. He needs to make sure he’s in best shape possible for Australia, Wimbledon and Us open.

I do like Novak’s Wimbledon chances though. I feel that will become his best slam now. He’s above the rest of field there with Fed but fed will be nearly 40 by Wimbledon 2021. He is a solid fav there I think.
He needs at the FO what Nadal got at the USO, a favorable draw. Imagine a FO where noVak doesn’t have to face Nadal or Thiem. Could happen. Just have to be ready if the opportunity arises
 
He needs at the FO what Nadal got at the USO, a favorable draw. Imagine a FO where noVak doesn’t have to face Nadal or Thiem. Could happen. Just have to be ready if the opportunity arises
That’s a big dream. I’d love to see it. Personally the way it is though Rafa isn’t losing RG for at least 3 more years. Maybe thiem dethrones him one year but Rafa is too dominant there.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I hope Novak wins more. I think he can I just think it’s getting more difficult. Yes Novak is on great hard court run but for me the field is more competitive. I hope Novak doesn’t go on a mental walkabout like he’s done before in 2nd half of 2016. Also some times in past he had let downs after tough losses. Hopefully it inspires me to go again after this loss.

His mentality is the most important. Plus he really needs to look after his body more especially the neck and arm. He shouldn’t overplay in smaller tournaments or play as many masters. For me personally he doesn’t need to go all out for them or even the clay season now.

As much as I love to see it, I’m afraid Novak isn’t winning another french open. There is no point exhausting the body in a long clay season when he’s very unlikely to win it. He needs to make sure he’s in best shape possible for Australia, Wimbledon and Us open.

I do like Novak’s Wimbledon chances though. I feel that will become his best slam now. He’s above the rest of field there with Fed but fed will be nearly 40 by Wimbledon 2021. He is a solid fav there I think.
Completely disagree on RG/clay. While Nole is still top 2 he should always play. He could have easily had an exhausted Thiem in final this year after SF with Rafa. Rafa too is getting older an older on clay and this kind of level really is unprecedented on clay. Lots of possibilities.
 
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