Nole 171 weeks at #1 moves him to fifth all-time

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Nachiket Nolefam

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Tisparevic - 302 weeks is one goal in Novak's mind, 5/6 months back. Let's see. time to bump thread when he retires.
 
jm1980

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I'd like to piggyback off this thread and add the corrected weeks at #1 (courtesy of @Slasher1985)

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So Novak is actually 92 weeks behind Connors instead of 97.

He probably won't catch Connors regardless, but 200+ weeks is amazing considering people didn't expect him to even make it #1
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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Nachiket Nolefam said:
Tisparevic - 302 weeks is one goal in Novak's mind, 5/6 months back. Let's see. time to bump thread when he retires.
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The soonest possible moment for him to overtake Federer is in May 2018. I highly doubt he will stay uninterrupted until then.
But when you are imagining, limits don't exist I guess... Djokovic said that.
 
jm1980

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mavsman149

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jm1980 said:
I'd like to piggyback off this thread and add the corrected weeks at #1 (courtesy of @Slasher1985)

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So Novak is actually 92 weeks behind Connors instead of 97.

He probably won't catch Connors regardless, but 200+ weeks is amazing considering people didn't expect him to even make it #1
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Not quite sure why they're holding lightsabers but I'm also not complaing, awesome!

Does that make Nadal, Hewitt, Safin, Muster and Newcombe evil due to the red lightsabers?
 
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Dave1982

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Obviously difficult to do the math as few too many variables in play but be interesting to see how many weeks are now guaranteed for him based on current point spread. At a guess I'd be thinking he'd remain at #1 till at least Wimbledon even if he didn't lift a racket between now and then, and to be toppled it would obviously take Fed or Murray to pretty much claim 80% of max points on offer....I could easily be wrong though!

302 weeks is not beyond him in my opinion...it's obviously going to be a significant challenge because as someone said even if he was to remain undisturbed at #1 he still wouldn't achieve it till about May 2018.
The fact he more than likely has till at least May 2016 in the bag that essentially means he has to be "fighting" to hold the position for about another 2 years....take into account that he will probably only have one real challenger (Murray) for the position over next 12-18 months....302 is certainly not impossible....but undoubtedly a huge challenge!

Either way, Djokovic is having a fantastic year and is incredibly deserving of all the success he's enjoying....from a Fed fan!
 
jm1980

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Dave1982 said:
Obviously difficult to do the math as few too many variables in play but be interesting to see how many weeks are now guaranteed for him based on current point spread. At a guess I'd be thinking he'd remain at #1 till at least Wimbledon even if he didn't lift a racket between now and then, and to be toppled it would obviously take Fed or Murray to pretty much claim 80% of max points on offer....I could easily be wrong though!
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Mathematically speaking, the earliest Djokovic can lose the #1 spot is Feb 15th, 2016. This means he's only got 14 more mathematically guaranteed weeks at #1. For this to happen, he'll need to not play another match from now until after the AO and Murray needs to win everything in sight, including two ATP 250s in January/February and Rotterdam.

If Djokovic doesn't play another match from now until the AO next year, he'll lose 1500 (WTF) + 45 (Doha) + 2000 (AO) = 3545 points, taking him to 12240 points.

Murray can win 1000 points (Paris) + 1300 points (WTF) + 350 points (DC) + 250 points (a 250 before the AO) + 800 points (AO) + 160 (another 250 after the AO) + 410 points (Rotterdam) = 4210 points. This would vault Andy to 12280 points, just ahead of Novak.

Realistically speaking, I don't think he'll be threatened until RG at the earliest.
 
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jm1980 said:
Mathematically speaking, the earliest Djokovic can lose the #1 spot is Feb 15th, 2016. This means he's only got 14 more mathematically guaranteed weeks at #1. For this to happen, he'll need to not play another match from now until after the AO and Murray needs to win everything in sight, including two ATP 250s in January/February and Rotterdam.

If Djokovic doesn't play another match from now until the AO next year, he'll lose 1500 (WTF) + 45 (Doha) + 2000 (AO) = 3545 points, taking him to 12240 points.

Murray can win 1000 points (Paris) + 1300 points (WTF) + 350 points (DC) + 250 points (a 250 before the AO) + 800 points (AO) + 160 (another 250 after the AO) + 410 points (Rotterdam) = 4210 points. This would vault Andy to 12280 points, just ahead of Novak.

Realistically speaking, I don't think he'll be threatened until RG at the earliest.
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Well done and thanks for that....certainly earlier than what I thought/predicted!

Although in reality like you said, even if he weren't to pick up a racket a fair bit would need to fall in Murray's favor for Djokovic to be dethroned....agree with you, even if Murray has a great end to this year and start to next year, it's unlikely that he'll be in any position to challenge till at least RG...probably later!
 
jm1980

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jm1980 said:
Mathematically speaking, the earliest Djokovic can lose the #1 spot is Feb 15th, 2016. This means he's only got 14 more mathematically guaranteed weeks at #1. For this to happen, he'll need to not play another match from now until after the AO and Murray needs to win everything in sight, including two ATP 250s in January/February and Rotterdam.

If Djokovic doesn't play another match from now until the AO next year, he'll lose 1500 (WTF) + 45 (Doha) + 2000 (AO) = 3545 points, taking him to 12240 points.

Murray can win 1000 points (Paris) + 1300 points (WTF) + 350 points (DC) + 250 points (a 250 before the AO) + 800 points (AO) + 160 (another 250 after the AO) + 410 points (Rotterdam) = 4210 points. This would vault Andy to 12280 points, just ahead of Novak.

Realistically speaking, I don't think he'll be threatened until RG at the earliest.
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Scratch that. I miscalculated the maximum number of points Murray can win for DC. It's not 350, but 275. This, along with Djokovic reaching the QFs at Bercy means Novak can't be surpassed until Feb 22nd, 2016 (15 more weeks).

If Djokovic doesn't play another match from now until Dubai next year, he'll lose 1500 (WTF) + 45 (Doha) + 2000 (AO) = 3545 points, taking him to 12420 points.

Murray can win 1000 points (Paris) + 1300 points (WTF) + 275 points (DC) + 250 points (a 250 before the AO) + 800 points (AO) + 410 points (Rotterdam) + 410 (Rio) = 4445 points. This would vault Andy to 12515 points, just ahead of Novak.
 
xFedal

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BeatlesFan said:
The chances of Novak still being number #1 in 2018 are miniscule. He'll be in his 30's then. Can none of you Djoker fans possibly accept his skills will quickly erode as he approaches the big 3-0?
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Novak is a different beast, he will have the greatest resume after turning 27.
 
Doflamingo

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Cortana said:
How often do you want to quote me on that? I had a mental breakdown that day. It was mostly due to my own tennis career.
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And I also stopped being a Djokovic fan. This clown doesn't deserve the French Open title and will never be near Nadal or Federer in terms of success. He is just a loser. He's lucky if he gets to 10 GS titles by the end of his career. Just a mediocre GS champion, nothing more.
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This displeases me and kind of ticks me off in the wrong corners

You sure you're okay and got your mentality checked out just incase he does lose again in finals? Because those comments sounds disappointing. Usually when someone does have a mental breakdown, feelings which are bottled up seem to surface and going by those comments I'm not sure if you're a legit fan of Novak or not if you can't be there when he also loses. Those comments are kind of degrading especially from someone who claims to be a Novak fan. If you just care about the winning then you're a gloryhunter and not actually a Novak fan because you want so many things from him that when he actually fails to accomplish something, you will hit the guy hard and beat him down.

That's not cool man

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Red Rick

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Hes a lock for at least until Wimby 2016, and I don't think anyone but Murray can stop him before 2017. But then again, decline can come in suddenly.
 
Djokovic2011

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TMF said:
Nole's resume is not complete without the FO, and his achievements are far from having the greatest resume.
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What gave you the impression that xFedal doesn't think the FO will be included in Djokovic's resume by the end of his career?
 
cc0509

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xFedal said:
Novak is a different beast, he will have the greatest resume after turning 27.
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Right! He's different and is going to do things ATGs before him haven't done. Does he have some kind of alien DNA or something? Never get too cocky. Players have ups and downs as they age and Djokovic will be no different. Less than a year ago some of his biggest fans were saying he was done winning non-AO slams. Some of you people are hilarious and so fickle. Predicting what's going to happen six months in tennis is nearly impossible let alone a couple of years.
 
StannisTheMannis

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hup said:
you mean you expect him not to be affected by the reality of ageing? Unlike every other human being?
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Of course he will, but there's nobody to take advantage of it. So his results will be good going forward (obviously not 3 slam and 5 masters good, but still good nonetheless.)
 
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cc0509 said:
Right! He's different and is going to do things ATGs before him haven't done. Does he have some kind of alien DNA or something? Never get too cocky. Players have ups and downs as they age and Djokovic will be no different. Less than a year ago some of his biggest fans were saying he was done winning non-AO slams. Some of you people are hilarious and so fickle. Predicting what's going to happen six months in tennis is nearly impossible let alone a couple of years.
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Cvac.
 
Gary20

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TMF said:
This week Nole has reached a total of 171 weeks at #1 that puts him ahead of McEnroe for 5th place.


Most Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer 302
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. Novak Djokovic 171*
6. John McEnroe 170
7. Rafael Nadal 141
8. Björn Borg 109
9. Andre Agassi 101
10. Lleyton Hewitt 80

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/djokovic-171-weeks-no-1-emirates-atp-rankings
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So? McEnroe has 7 Majors at W and USO, two of the big 3. Djokovic has 5. McEnroe therefore the greater player.
 
Gary20

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Djokovic2011 said:
What gave you the impression that xFedal doesn't think the FO will be included in Djokovic's resume by the end of his career?
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Djokovic has no chance at FO as he is too gutless to cope with the prressure. With Nadal coming back to his best, Djokovic mised his chance.
 
Gary20

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powerangle said:
Novak is continuing to defy expectations. First it was "he will never be #1", then during the "lull" that was 2012-2014, it was "he won't get pass 100 weeks" and "he will stay behind Rafa".
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He is behind Rafa!!! A long way as well!
 
Djokovic2011

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Gary20 said:
Djokovic has no chance at FO as he is too gutless to cope with the prressure. With Nadal coming back to his best, Djokovic mised his chance.
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I agree that Djokovic will never win the FO but that doesn't mean other people can't have expectations that it's a title he'll add to his resume after the age of 27, which is what TMF seemed to be disputing.
 
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Nachiket Nolefam

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TMF said:
Why only after 27 but instead count the entire career ?
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Because he was saying after turning 27 like most of you guys on tt have said, 27 decline blah blah blah
 
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Nachiket Nolefam

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How many other threads we had seen, Nadal will not be playing at 30. He will not be top 4 at 30. Everything will be proven wrong soon.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

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Livedeath said:
Even if Nole does not win RG, he has piled a good enough career already to be called the an ATG.
Why is this Career Grand Slam people so attached to, Borg had won 2 out 4 GS, still he is considered one of the best of all time. Pete did not win RG, he is considered one of the best.
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In Pete case its because he has 14gs, and for a time he had the most. He was the king of Wimbledon too which is considered to many for being the greatest slam. But of course history is in the making and things can change ;)
 
Doflamingo

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Livedeath said:
Even if Nole does not win RG, he has piled a good enough career already to be called an ATG.
Why is this Career Grand Slam people so attached to, Borg had won 2 out 4 GS, still he is considered one of the best of all time. Pete did not win RG, he is considered one of the best.
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#10 slams is more than enough to be considered an ATG. The general consensus is 5 or 6+ slams to be considered an ATG and Novak is way past that. He has the Open Era record with the most Australian Opens (#5) and the other half of his slams are distributed across Wimbledon and USO. Add that with other stats like year-end #1s and being 5th in the all time list for Weeks at #1, you've got one of the best ATG career stats.

If he was at something like 6 or 7 slams I'd say the RG was a necessity but when he's at the double digits now, it's not a necessity. Obviously I want him to win the RG but there's a difference between wanting it and needing it. ​
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
I agree that Djokovic will never win the FO but that doesn't mean other people can't have expectations that it's a title he'll add to his resume after the age of 27, which is what TMF seemed to be disputing.
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Can someone explain this 27 yardstick? Im not having a go at anyone, im just intrigued. 27 obviously means something so what is it? In the UK turning 27means nothing but in Serbia obviously there is some significance, Id love to know what it is please.
 
Gary20

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Doflamingo said:
#10 slams is more than enough to be considered an ATG. The general consensus is 5 or 6+ slams to be considered an ATG and Novak is way past that. He has the Open Era record with the most Australian Opens (#5) and the other half of his slams are distributed across Wimbledon and USO. Add that with other stats like year-end #1s and being 5th in the all time list for Weeks at #1, you've got one of the best ATG career stats.

If he was at something like 6 or 7 slams I'd say the RG was a necessity but when he's at the double digits now, it's not a necessity. Obviously I want him to win the RG but there's a difference between wanting it and needing it. ​
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He needs it big time. CGS is the be all and end all. Its that simple.
 
Gary20

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mbm0912 said:
Nice typing skills. Yea, Nadal is really a threat these days.
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I am successful enough to have a secretary type for me so my typing skills are nowhere near as good as tennis skills. However i cant dictate my replies for her to type as she has other stuff to do.

One day you may get a secretary. Good luck.
 
PeterHo

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Nole leads Agassi in these categories
Slams
Wtf
Masters
No.1
H2h against ATGs

Agassi leads in
Career slam ie.RG
Olympic gold

I don't see how Agassi is greater overall. Being mostly the 2nd best player in his prime is a big knock on him.

Winning career golden slam is a significant achievement, but is that really greater than somebody who has the better record in EVERY other department?

Let's have a look at fedal
Fed
Slams
WTF
No.1

Nadal
Olympic gold
H2h
Masters

The difference between Nole agassi is greater than fedal, so is even less debatable.
 
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