Nole at number 1

How many more weeks as number 1 will Nole add by the time he’s retired?


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Federer is a more worthy individual than Novak Djokovic.
If Djokovic gets them, clearly he's more worthy. Achievements happen because someone attained them. No one gets anything for free.

Either way, if it's bad that a single person holds all the records, isn't it good that Djokovic is starting to sap a few away from Federer?

For a time, Federer was #1 at the US Open, Australian Open, Wimbledon, Weeks at #1, consecutive weeks at #1, slam titles, slam finals, and countless consistency records.

Better that they split them.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
71 weeks to go as of Feb, 21, 2019. A lot of tennis to be played for sure.
Now Murray is, unfortunately, out of the race, his main rivals will be Nadal, Zverev, Federer, and maybe Delpo.
 
Well, considering that three of them took the number 1 ranking directly from him, and the other one took another two Majors directly from him, that was some great "underdog"-ing.

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I hear you, but that doesn't change the fact that he was the main dominant force for the whole decade. You want to win the title, you have to go through him. You want to finish as the YE 1, you have to go through him.

These guys you mention were tag teaming between each other in order to contain him.

So credit for them for the few occasions were they've been successfull against him. Great feat since they did it as the underdogs.
 
I hear you, but that doesn't change the fact that he was the main dominant force for the whole decade. You want to win the title, you have to go through him. You want to finish as the YE 1, you have to go through him.

These guys you mention were tag teaming between each other in order to contain him.

So credit for them for the few occasions were they've been successfull against him. Great feat since they did it as the underdogs.
Noone was "teaming" with anyone else about that.

He couldn't hold his extremely high level for very long periods of time, and others had theirs as well.

I agree that it has been his "decade"/era, which for me is an absolute necessity for a player to be considered amongst the very small group that can contend for that special recognition everyone seems to talk about.

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Are you kidding? He certainly wasn't the man to beat in 2017, that was Federer and Nadal, or the first half of 2018 where he went 6-6.
He is right. In this decade as whole he was the man to beat. Of course in so long span of time you have few dips, which in Novak case were also injury related.
 
He is right. In this decade as whole he was the man to beat. Of course in so long span of time you have few dips, which in Novak case were also injury related.
Not always injury related. 2017 yes, but in 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014 he was uninjured and not the most dominant player of the year.
 
Not always injury related. 2017 yes, but in 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014 he was uninjured and not the most dominant player of the year.
I was reffering to Hitman post regarding 2017. In all other years he was best or second best player in the world. He was the dominant force of this decade, like Real Madrid was dominant force in Champions League for last few years even though they lost few times before final.
 
In 2012 and 2014 he was still the best player though.
No, he wasn't. He wasn't the player with more Grand Slams in 2012 and 2014, thus not the best player. You need to win more Grand Slams than any other player to be the best player of the year.

In 2012 he even lost to Nadal at RG and Federer at WB, meaning he did not have a winning H2H against Fedal in Slams. Hard to call that the best.

In 2014 he lost to Wawrinka at the AO and Nadal at RG. Again, not the best when he had a losing H2H against Wawrinka and Nadal in Slams.
 
Big 5 stats, 2010-present

Djokovic
14 slam titles
568-88, 840 overall
161-48, .770 vs top 10
20-13 vs Fed
21-11 vs Nadal
21-8 vs Murray
12-3 vs Wawrinka
73-35 vs Big 5

Nadal
11 slam titles
515-99, .839 overall
100-53, .654 vs top 10
10-8 vs Federer
11-21 vs Djokovic
10-5 vs Murray
13-3 vs Wawrinka
44-37 vs Big 5

Federer
5 slam titles
492-98, .834 overall
97-57, .630 vs top 10
13-20 vs Djokovic
8-10 vs Nadal
10-5 vs Murray
17-2 vs Wawrinka
48-37 vs Big 5

Murray
3 slam titles
422-111, .792 overall
66-56, .541 vs top 10
8-21 vs Djokovic
5-10 vs Nadal
5-10 vs Federer
6-5 vs Wawrinka
24-46 vs Big 5

Wawrinka
3 slam titles
336-158, .680 overall
41-57, .418 vs top 10
3-12 vs Djokovic
3-13 vs Nadal
2-17 vs Federer
5-6 vs Murray
13-48 vs Big 5

What's interesting is that Djoker is chasing yet another record of Fed's. Fed won 15 slam titles last decade. Djoker is 2 slam titles away this decade from breaking Fed's record for slams in a decade and is 1 ahead of Sampras' 13 in the 1990's.
 
I was reffering to Hitman post regarding 2017. In all other years he was best or second best player in the world. He was the dominant force of this decade, like Real Madrid was dominant force in Champions League for last few years even though they lost few times before final.
Just think about it from 2011 AO to 2016 USO only 3 times Djokovic or his direct conqueror didn't end up as the winner of the respective Slam. Federer at 2011 RG, Nishikori at 2014 USO and Querrey at 2016 WB. That's like crazy.

He is like Golden State Warriors of tennis. From time to time one team will beat them, from time to time some teams will come close to beat them, plenty of times they kicking somebody ass, but one thing for the whole period is for sure, if you want the title you have to go through them. There's no way around.;)
 
I predicted he will 17 before the end of his career after Wimbledon and I think he will definitely reach that. 18 is actually not that far fetched right now. I think he is in the beginning of a late career Renaissance and I don't think he has peaked in this part of his career yet. I think he will reach a higher level than he showed so far this year and this could be enough to push him to 3 or 4 more Slams.

I think he reaches 70 more weeks no question. One thing he loves just as much as Slams is being #1. I actually think he is more obsessed with that ranking than Rafa and Roger are. I agree he has a better chance of breaking the weeks at #1 record than the Slam record.
The weeks at #1 record would definitely be a nice consolation if he doesn't finish with most majors. :)
 
No, he wasn't. He wasn't the player with more Grand Slams in 2012 and 2014, thus not the best player. You need to win more Grand Slams than any other player to be the best player of the year.

In 2012 he even lost to Nadal at RG and Federer at WB, meaning he did not have a winning H2H against Fedal in Slams. Hard to call that the best.

In 2014 he lost to Wawrinka at the AO and Nadal at RG. Again, not the best when he had a losing H2H against Wawrinka and Nadal in Slams.
Well if he wasn't the best player of those years, who was?
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
He should have already been sitting at 300+ weeks and 6/7 year end.

But the other Big4 all reached peaks of over 12,000 points.
 
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BGod

Hall of Fame
He's going to get the record. I said it really fell on the AO and I stand by that statement.

He's extremely unlikely to lose the #1 right now regardless of how he performs until after the USO at the earliest. Yes, because assume he wins nothing until the USO he'd still have 2 Slams, Shanghai and runner-up at Paris and WTF and that would be enough. Given he's probably not going to be a dumpster fire, a worst-case scenario is him not winning any more Slams this year and he'd still likely finish YE #1. So then it becomes a question of defending 2020 AO.

But the poll is not asking consecutive weeks just overall. I personally think he wins at least 1 more major this year and probably 2 next year. He'll get the record by winning anywhere from as little as 2 more Slams and I think it'll be more so yeah.
 
Big 5 stats, 2010-present

Djokovic
14 slam titles
568-88, 840 overall
161-48, .770 vs top 10
20-13 vs Fed
21-11 vs Nadal
21-8 vs Murray
12-3 vs Wawrinka
73-35 vs Big 5

Nadal
11 slam titles
515-99, .839 overall
100-53, .654 vs top 10
10-8 vs Federer
11-21 vs Djokovic
10-5 vs Murray
13-3 vs Wawrinka
44-37 vs Big 5

Federer
5 slam titles
492-98, .834 overall
97-57, .630 vs top 10
13-20 vs Djokovic
8-10 vs Nadal
10-5 vs Murray
17-2 vs Wawrinka
48-37 vs Big 5

Murray
3 slam titles
422-111, .792 overall
66-56, .541 vs top 10
8-21 vs Djokovic
5-10 vs Nadal
5-10 vs Federer
6-5 vs Wawrinka
24-46 vs Big 5

Wawrinka
3 slam titles
336-158, .680 overall
41-57, .418 vs top 10
3-12 vs Djokovic
3-13 vs Nadal
2-17 vs Federer
5-6 vs Murray
13-48 vs Big 5

What's interesting is that Djoker is chasing yet another record of Fed's. Fed won 15 slam titles last decade. Djoker is 2 slam titles away this decade from breaking Fed's record for slams in a decade and is 1 ahead of Sampras' 13 in the 1990's.
Amazing job mate. In that time also at "big events"
Djokovic has 27 M1000 titles and 6 WTFs
Nadal has 16 M1000s
Federer has 8 M1000s and 1 WTFs
Murray had 9 M1000s and 1 WTF and 2 gold medals.
 
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