Nole fans, which AO speed do you prefer, slow or fast?

Nole fans, which AO speed do you like more?


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Jonesy

Hall of Fame
We all know Djovak is the greatest AO player in the slower speeds, but since they changed to a faster court Novak proved he can be great there too.

So i ask fellow Djokovic fans, which AO speed do you like seeing him play more?
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
I think speed is not important to novak game but bounce is ,a low bouncing court he thrives in best I feel wherever there is high bounce he prefers it less,us open earlier was quick but still high bouncing so he didn't do that well as Ao but at Ao I feel even it was slow the bounce wasn't like Uo. Offcourse at his peak he was great everywhere which should be the case but in his prime days I am talking more specifically
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
I remember when threads used to pop up about why Djokovic wasn't that good on faster hardcourt, and then he reeled off 3 straight AOs on faster hardcourt and they disappeared. Traditionally, it was a slow/medium hc Slam but Djokovic probably reached his highest levels there when it was medium or medium fast: 2016 (medium), 2019 and the final of 2021. I would put 2011, 2012 and 2008 up there too, but I think 2008 was more medium. 2011 and 2012 were pretty slow.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is no doubt better on slow hard. Federer leads him in both Dubai and Cincy which are probably the two fastest hard courts in the game sadly. The 2014 Shanghai masterclass also stands out. That match was one of the greatest tennis displays in the history of the game. It was an old vet turning back the clock on the second greatest defender in the history of the game with an old virtually extinct style of play.
 
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Kralingen

Legend
Novak and most of this generation has never played a Grand Slam on what I call “fast” hard court (aka 90s US Open). Fastest surface is maybe Paris Masters, Shanghai, or Cincinnati - but again I would not consider any of those to be be truly fast courts. Medium fast at best.

Honestly I think the distinction between slow and fast hard has been disproven at this point. Djokovic has won all the HC masters at least 2x and has won Paris 5x, Shanghai 4x. He’s slightly better on slower as evidenced by the AO records but is clearly the dominant HC player of the generation, and the big serving Djokovic who won Cincy and the AO this year didn’t look to struggle with pace.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Here's where folks get tripped up about Novak and surface speed:

1. Novak is better than Federer on slow hardcourt
2. Federer is better than Novak on fast hardcourt
3. Novak is better on fast hardcourt than he is on slow hardcourt.

It doesn't seem like all 3 of those things could be true, but they are. The assumption seems to be that because Novak has his biggest advantage over Federer on slow hardcourt that Novak must be at his best on slow hardcourt. Instead, it goes something like:

Fast court Fed > Fast court Novak > Slow court Novak > Slow court Fed
 

gadge

Professional
Djokovic is no doubt better on slow hard. Federer lead him in both Dubai and Cincy which are probably the two fastest hard courts in the game sadly. The 2014 Shanghai masterclass also stands out. That match was one of the greatest tennis displays in the history of the game. It was an old vet turning back the clock on the second greatest defender in the history of the game with an old virtually extinct style of play.
It just proves fed is a great fast HC player but the current field is a bigger threat on slow courts than fast ones
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak and most of this generation has never played a Grand Slam on what I call “fast” hard court (aka 90s US Open). Fastest surface is maybe Paris Masters, Shanghai, or Cincinnati - but again I would not consider any of those to be be truly fast courts. Medium fast at best.

Honestly I think the distinction between slow and fast hard has been disproven at this point. Djokovic has won all the HC masters at least 2x and has won Paris 5x, Shanghai 4x. He’s slightly better on slower as evidenced by the AO records but is clearly the dominant HC player of the generation, and the big serving Djokovic who won Cincy and the AO this year didn’t look to struggle with pace.
Don't forget 2018 Shanghai. Didn't lose serve. I think faced only 4 breakpoints.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Unpopular opinion, the slow speeds of 2011 and 2012 actually worked against Novak.

Medium-slow or medium paced courts like 2008, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2019 are the ideal playing condition for him.
I have to disagree on 2011. The slow courts blunted Fed’s game quite a bit there in Australia. I think Djokovic has better natural power and baseline abilities so he outgunned him, especially on FH side.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
I have to disagree on 2011. The slow courts blunted Fed’s game quite a bit there in Australia. I think Djokovic has better natural power and baseline abilities so he outgunned him, especially on FH side.
Maybe on that day and against Fed in particular. Then again, Fed's junkballing actually worked well simply because Novak couldn't go for the decisive shot due to the slow court conditions.

In the 2008 semi, played on a medium paced court, he outhit Fed for good. And the 2011 version has even better physical capabilities than 2008 Djoker.

I am also thinking about the 2012 final. I do feel a slightly faster court would have favoured Djoko against Nadal more.
 
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Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Miami seems to be his best Masters and it’s probably the slowest court on tour. He’s excellent on all forms of hard court no doubt. I think he’s comparable to Agassi though who preferred a slightly slower surface so Sampras couldn’t 1-2 punch him all day.
 
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Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Fast courts are vastly overrated on here. Do you really want to watch Isner and Karlovic hit aces all day?
No, but I'd love to see Federer hit 1-2 punches, sick volleys and forehand winners all day. Dubai is quick and always produces sick shotmaking like that seen from Karatsev this year. He blew Rublev off the court this year in part due to court speed.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
No, but I'd love to see Federer hit 1-2 punches, sick volleys and forehand winners all day. Dubai is quick and always produces sick shotmaking like that seen from Karatsev this year. He blew Rublev off the court this year in part due to court speed.
Sorry what match were you watching , apart from first set, it was quite competitive, I still remember Rublev having 2 BP to get level at 5-4
 
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Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Sorry what match were you watching l, apart from first set, it was quite competitive, I still remember Rublev having 2 BP to get level at 5-4
The first set was all big time shotmaking from Karatsev where Rublev was outgunned which almost never happens.
 
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