Nole has aged better than Fedal. Will that continue?

Will Nole's achievements in 2017 and beyond eclipse Federer's since 2011 or Nadal's since 2016?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 46.0%
  • No

    Votes: 54 54.0%

  • Total voters
    100

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is like a machine. If there's a grain of sand in the machinery, he starts malfunctioning, totally loses it and throws the match away. That's why I can't see him being as successful as Federer at 37. Once his age will become a real handicap, it will completely throw him off and he won't be able to cope with it.

But I'm a silly, ordinary human so hopefully he will prove me wrong in 5 years.

Throws the match away? It's only been two days and you already have amnesia?
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Because you posted it right after Federer's AO win so you could rub it in. Now are you gonna answer the question or no?

I would post it after AO win and not after 4 months, right ?

And why would it take OP 8 months to respond. Because he is part of the Molefam which hides when the going is not good, right ?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I would post it after AO win and not after 4 months, right ?

And why would it take OP 8 months to respond. Because he is part of the Molefam which hides when the going is not good, right ?

Dude please.

Maybe he was waiting for the tide to turn so he could return the favor. You're the one who bumped his thread after all.
 
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Deleted member 762343

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A lot. When has he thrown matches away?

There was nothing wrong with Djokovic in Sunday's match. Sure, his return was off and all, but nothing serious. When there's really something wrong, something that really messes him up psychologically or physically, he loses it and becomes a shadow of himself. 2019 RG (his match against Thiem) is the most recent example I can think of.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Dude please.

Maybe he was waiting for the tide to turn so he could return the favor. You're the one who bumped his thread after all.

Some of us are here - win or lose.. there is no gloating .

And some are here only when things are good and hide like a lame, little girl when the going gets tough.

And the lame group should truly be ashamed.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Some of us are here - win or lose.. there is no gloating .

And some are here only when things are good and hide like a lame, little girl when the going gets tough.

And the lame group should truly be ashamed.
Since you are here you can change your vote. When I asked the question there was still some doubt who would be the greatest after 30. Not anymore I think.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
LOL.. Typical of Nolefam... No shame.
I tried to have a nice thread about a tennis topic. You and others managed to derail it and make it personal, gloating when you thought Nole was done. Sadly for you you all turned out to be pretty bad at tennis forecasting.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I tried to have a nice thread about a tennis topic. You and others managed to derail it and make it personal, gloating when you thought Nole was done. Sadly for you you all turned out to be pretty bad at tennis forecasting.

What is personal when we highlight Fedal's victories ? We wanted to seek what your thoughts were when Fedal turned the clocks in 2017-18. Yet you absconded.

Care to explain why ?
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
What is personal when we highlight Fedal's victories ? We wanted to seek what your thoughts were when Fedal turned the clocks in 2017-18. Yet you absconded.

Care to explain why ?
I never left TTW. I didn’t rise to your bait on this thread because that’s all it was, bait. I made clear from the beginning that I was asking about developments over many years, not just one or two seasons. So Nole not winning anything in 2017 didn’t mean much, just had to see if he would win more in following seasons. which he did.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
There was nothing wrong with Djokovic in Sunday's match. Sure, his return was off and all, but nothing serious. When there's really something wrong, something that really messes him up psychologically or physically, he loses it and becomes a shadow of himself. 2019 RG (his match against Thiem) is the most recent example I can think of.

Not hardly. He lost one close 5 setter in not so great conditions, especially for him. Losing 7-5 in the 5th to a formidable clay player is not throwing the match away. His record in deciding sets is top 3 in the Open Era.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Some of us are here - win or lose.. there is no gloating .

And some are here only when things are good and hide like a lame, little girl when the going gets tough.

And the lame group should truly be ashamed.

I'm reading a lot of deflection here. So I accept that you won't be answering question. Ok.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I never left TTW. I didn’t rise to your bait on this thread because that’s all it was, bait. I made clear from the beginning that I was asking about developments over many years, not just one or two seasons. So Nole not winning anything in 2017 didn’t mean much, just had to see if he would win more in following seasons. which he did.

That sounds even more lame.

What is the bait again ? It was your thread. There were events which changed the way things were anticipated to go. You promptly escaped.

If Novak did not win , what gives that you will come here and acknowledge you made a mistake ?

You could have said ' let us give it some more time' .

And except for guys like hitman, doctor, ND-16/RF-18 ... everyone disappeared.. that is why your fanbase has no credibility here.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
That sounds even more lame.

What is the bait again ? It was your thread. There were events which changed the way things were anticipated to go. You promptly escaped.

If Novak did not win , what gives that you will come here and acknowledge you made a mistake ?

You could have said ' let us give it some more time' .

And except for guys like hitman, doctor, ND-16/RF-18 ... everyone disappeared.. that is why your fanbase has no credibility here.
I was always here. Never left.

you and others had to ruin this thread making it personal instead of debating how well the Big 3 could play after 30, which was the whole point of the thread. Happens all the time.

In any case the question remains, who will win the most after 30?
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I was always here. Never left.

you and others had to ruin this thread making it personal instead of debating how well the Big 3 could play after 30, which was the whole point of the thread. Happens all the time.

In any case the question remains, who will win the most after 30?

If you were here and still did not respond that is even more lame.

You couldn't say 'let us wait or give Novak a couple more years' ?

How did we make it personal ? By merely asking you to reflect on your own thread ? Do you understand what making it personal means ?
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
If you were here and still did not respond that is even more lame.

You couldn't say 'let us wait or give Novak a couple more years' ?

How did we make it personal ? By merely asking you to reflect on your own thread ? Do you understand what making it personal means ?
Read the thread. Heck, look at what you just asked me, if I had “made a mistake”? What possible mistake could I make when all I did was ask a question? But simply raising the possibility that Novak would win more than Fed past 30 made his fan base so upset they bag a attacking and baitIng. Note that nowhere did I ever say that Novak would win more, I just asked if he could.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Read the thread. Heck, look at what you just asked me, if I had “made a mistake”? What possible mistake could I make when all I did was ask a question? But simply raising the possibility that Novak would win more than Fed past 30 made his fan base so upset they bag a attacking and baitIng. Note that nowhere did I ever say that Novak would win more, I just asked if he could.

If we ask you as an OP to reflect on your own thread, it is getting personal and baiting ? Wow , you have some weird definition.

And why couldn't you respond since you were here ?

And the results now are there for everyone to see. What is the point in bumping the thread now ?
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic have won the last 11 Slams. Nadal and Djokovic both have 4 after Wimbledon, and Federer has 3.

Incredible era we're living in.
 
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Not hardly. He lost one close 5 setter in not so great conditions, especially for him. Losing 7-5 in the 5th to a formidable clay player is not throwing the match away. His record in deciding sets is top 3 in the Open Era.

Throughout the match, he's never been able to accept that he had to deal with the wind. There were times when he tried to forget about it and regained his concentration but at the end of the day, the tough conditions were too much in his head. That cost him the first set, the third set and eventually the match. I don't mean to disrespect Thiem but I don't think he would have done more than take a set off him if Djokovic had been fully focused.

Djokovic's record in deciding sets has nothing to do with my point. I'm not saying he's not good under pressure, that would be a silly statement. I'm saying that he's not himself when an external factor bothers him heavily.
 

joy-z

New User
That's what I meant about crystal ball. Historically in the Open era, about 2.3% of male players take the court at age 38 and most lost first rounf. I don't buy for a minute that either Nole or Rafa will be playing on the ATP tour at age 38. Stats are overwhelmingly on my side, and I ain't no stats person. I revile stats and data, but I'll use it in this case.

Especially with their grinder game styles.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
read post 200 and the ones that followed. I responded very clearly what I had in mind.

It is very evident for everyone to see you did not respond to a post of mine in Jan 2018. You replied only when Novak when USO in Sept 2018.

If Novak did not win the last 4 of 5 majors, the implication is you would have been in hiding . This is not far fetched. Borne by facts.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Throughout the match, he's never been able to accept that he had to deal with the wind. There were times when he tried to forget about it and regained his concentration but at the end of the day, the tough conditions were too much in his head. That cost him the first set, the third set and eventually the match. I don't mean to disrespect Thiem but I don't think he would have done more than take a set off him if Djokovic had been fully focused.

Djokovic's record in deciding sets has nothing to do with my point. I'm not saying that he's not good under pressure, that would be a ******** statement. I'm saying that he's not himself when a external factor bothers him heavily.

The first day of the match, the condtions were just awful and got worse as the day went on. Then they came back the next day to finish the match, mind you that they had already played their QF with no day off. So that would mean 4 days in a row including the final. Djokovic is thinking even if I win this, I'm going to be at a major disadvantage if I make it to Nadal since he's fresh as a daisy and I'm wore out. Now that doesn't mean he threw the match because he's too much of a competitor for that but I do think that's why he couldn't maintain focus down the stretch and get the best of Thiem. So I wouldn't read too much into a match where the conditions were virtually unplayable the first day for any barometer for Djokovic in the future. He has won the last 4/5 Slams after all and just because he lost one, that does not signal an underlying crisis.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
It is very evident for everyone to see you did not respond to a post of mine in Jan 2018. You replied only when Novak when USO in Sept 2018.

If Novak did not win the last 4 of 5 majors, the implication is you would have been in hiding . This is not far fetched. Borne by facts.
You asked the question in mid 2017 and I answered it. You asked the same question in 2018.

In any case the original question still stands
 
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The first day of the match, the condtions were just awful and got worse as the day went on. Then they came back the next day to finish the match, mind you that they had already played their QF with no day off. So that would mean 4 days in a row including the final. Djokovic is thinking even if I win this, I'm going to be at a major disadvantage if I make it to Nadal since he's fresh as a daisy and I'm wore out. Now that doesn't mean he threw the match because he's too much of a competitor for that but I do think that's why he couldn't maintain focus down the stretch and get the best of Thiem. So I wouldn't read too much into a match where the conditions were virtually unplayable the first day for any barometer for Djokovic in the future. He has won the last 4/5 Slams after all and just because he lost one, that does not signal an underlying crisis.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. And I didn't say there's currently an underlying crisis, everything seems okay for him at the moment. But think about how things went downhill after 2016 RG. He went from winning RG to losing to Querrey. Grain of sand in the machinery.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Things changed further in Jan 2018 and May 2018, no ?
Why? In mid 2017 we already knew Fed was winning and Nole wasn’t. I explained that I was asking a long term question and it would take years to know the actual outcome. All of that still applied the following year.

Once again, the question stands. Who do you think will end up doing best post 30?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. And I didn't say there's currently an underlying crisis, everything seems okay for him at the moment. But think about how things went downhill after 2016 RG. He went from winning RG to losing to Querrey. Grain of sand in the machinery.

True but that was a crisis and he didn't recover for 2 years later. He just won Wimbledon again. Agree to disagree on this.
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
I think the next few years are going to be very interesting. Perhaps the greatest era to be a fan of tennis. The final chapter.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
He hasn’t aged better, but rather has gotten to play a generation of non-greats whereas Federer had to play two of the greatest players ever who are four and five years younger than he.
i try to steer away from weak era arguments, which I find silly. So I focus on comparing actual wins
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Right now it doesn't look like Djokovic will win another Slam. He has some time until the effects of decline hit hard but his current problems seem to go beyond physical form. In the long term, I don't see Djokovic being as successful as Federer. Novak is a pure baseliner and once his movement and groundstrokes deteriorate, he'll struggle to compensate for inability to dominate from the baseline much more than Roger who is a natural all-court player. I expect Novak to do better than Rafa though.

seven slams later all I can say is looks can be deceiving :unsure:
 
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