Nole has aged better than Fedal. Will that continue?

Will Nole's achievements in 2017 and beyond eclipse Federer's since 2011 or Nadal's since 2016?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 46.0%
  • No

    Votes: 54 54.0%

  • Total voters
    100
i try to steer away from weak era arguments, which I find silly. So I focus on comparing actual wins

Not really about weak eras, but the fact that Federer at age 30 had two future GOATs 4 and 5 years younger than he respectively and had to win slams against them. For ND and RN, they were either playing contemporaries (i.e., themselves), someone older, i.e., Federer, or younger players who aren’t ATGs and never will be.

Had Federer not been competing at age 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, etc., vs. literally two of the greatest players ever, he’d have “aged” even BETTER than he has and he already has a case for aging better than anyone by returning to #1 at the oldest age ever.
 

CCPass

Semi-Pro
Not really about weak eras, but the fact that Federer at age 30 had two future GOATs 4 and 5 years younger than he respectively and had to win slams against them. For ND and RN, they were either playing contemporaries (i.e., themselves), someone older, i.e., Federer, or younger players who aren’t ATGs and never will be.

Had Federer not been competing at age 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, etc., vs. literally two of the greatest players ever, he’d have “aged” even BETTER than he has and he already has a case for aging better than anyone by returning to #1 at the oldest age ever.
Well winners win, and losers make excuses. Enough said.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
I do not know if I agree with this.
Probably a slight edge to Djokovic.
Fed has aged wonderfully and his style of play and gliding grace is perfect for an aging Legend.
He finally starting breaking down at 38. Blown back early in his career was managed wisely.
The low acidity anti inflammation diet Djokovic eats is anti aging.
 
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Well winners win, and losers make excuses. Enough said.

Yes, it’s an excuse that he’s been playing against ATGs 4-5 years younger than he. Please show me in tennis history where an ATG (and these ATGs are two of the 3-5 greatest ever in anyone’s estimation) played two younger ATGs nearly 100 times and did well.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Not really about weak eras, but the fact that Federer at age 30 had two future GOATs 4 and 5 years younger than he respectively and had to win slams against them. For ND and RN, they were either playing contemporaries (i.e., themselves), someone older, i.e., Federer, or younger players who aren’t ATGs and never will be.

Had Federer not been competing at age 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, etc., vs. literally two of the greatest players ever, he’d have “aged” even BETTER than he has and he already has a case for aging better than anyone by returning to #1 at the oldest age ever.

Federer won 7 Slams from 2003-2007 where he faced no ATGs. I'm actually being generous by counting Nadal in 2006 and 2007 W, and Djokovic in 2007 USO since they weren't close to ATGs yet.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Not really about weak eras, but the fact that Federer at age 30 had two future GOATs 4 and 5 years younger than he respectively and had to win slams against them. For ND and RN, they were either playing contemporaries (i.e., themselves), someone older, i.e., Federer, or younger players who aren’t ATGs and never will be.

Had Federer not been competing at age 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, etc., vs. literally two of the greatest players ever, he’d have “aged” even BETTER than he has and he already has a case for aging better than anyone by returning to #1 at the oldest age ever.
But my point was on comparing outcomes, not adjusting for perceived difficulty. Outcomes we can measure.
 

The Guru

Legend
Federer won 7 Slams from 2003-2007 where he face no ATGs. I'm actually being generous by counting Nadal in 2006 and 2007 W, and Djokovic in 2007 USO, since they weren't close to ATGs yet.
Also it's just not accurate to say Djokovic hasn't been facing ATGs as he's been facing Fedal in most of his slam runs anyway. Also, if we're counting 06 Nadal and 07 Novak as ATGs who's to say one of Next Gen won't be an ATG and then we can retroactively add that to his ATGs faced lol. Djokovic got lucky with 18-19. Well Fed got lucky with 17-18. 21 has been by no means easy thus far. If people are going to claim this year is bad then they're going to have to explain how Zverev, Medvedev and Tsitsipas's results have been any worse than Roddick/Hewitt/Agassi in 04-05.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Also it's just not accurate to say Djokovic hasn't been facing ATGs as he's been facing Fedal in most of his slam runs anyway. Also, if we're counting 06 Nadal and 07 Novak as ATGs who's to say one of Next Gen won't be an ATG and then we can retroactively add that to his ATGs faced lol. Djokovic got lucky with 18-19. Well Fed got lucky with 17-18. 21 has been by no means easy thus far. If people are going to claim this year is bad then they're going to have to explain how Zverev, Medvedev and Tsitsipas's results have been any worse than Roddick/Hewitt/Agassi in 04-05.

True and Djokovic and Nadal have already played an ATG. I'm convinced that between Tsitsipas and Medvedev, at least one of them will become an ATG.

Slams won without facing an ATG
Federer - 12 (that's with excluding 2006 W, 2007 AO, 2007 W, 2007 USO and 2008 USO)
Nadal - 7
Djokovic - 5
 

The Guru

Legend
True and Djokovic and Nadal have already played an ATG. I'm convinced that between Tsitsipas and Medvedev, at least one of them will become an ATG.

Slams won without facing an ATG
Federer - 12 (that's with excluding 2006 W, 2007 AO, 2007 W, 2007 USO and 2008 USO)
Nadal - 7
Djokovic - 5
Novak is 4 no? 13/15 AO (which had the Murray-Wawrinka double anyway) 18 USO and AO 21 right?
 

T007

Hall of Fame
Federer was 28 in 2009....that was one of the toughest seasons since the 80s. Compare 2009 with 2015 competition wise?
Lol Nadal went to a massive slump in 2015. Murray was just returning from a injury prone 2014.
Berdych,Tsonga were just trash in slams. His only challenge were 34 year old Federer and a late bloomer stan who only showed up in slams

Federer 2009 was against prime Nadal,Delpotro,Murray and djokovic..bunch of dangrous players like davydenko,Fish,Roddick,Lubicic,Ferrer.

Federers 2009 competition was Harder than djokovic. He made all 4 slams losing to Nadal and delpo in 5 sets.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Federer actually aged very well. In 2015 at 34, the same age as Djokovic now, Federer lost 3 straight Slam matches to Djokovic: Wim F, USO F and AO SF. If he had got past the AO SF, he'd get Andy in the final. He'd have been made a moderate favorite in that final. Without Djokovic, 34 year old Federer might have won 3 straight Slams, something Djokovic is attempting at this Wimbledon.

So I somewhat sympathize with Fedfans, because now there's no ATG to stop 34 year old, slightly over the hill Djokovic.

Nadal doesn't age as well as the other two. He plays such a physical brand of tennis. Thiem is the only player comparable, and is already burning out at 27.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Will Djokovic retire long before the point where he's completely exhausted at the end of a match, and has to skip the next Slam? Absolutely!

Will Djokovic retire long before the point where he has to withdraw from a current Slam, to prepare for the next Slam? Also absolutely!
 
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Tennisfan339

Professional
Forgot to bump this after Wimby. My bad! Sadly some of the posters that so disparaged my question are no longer with us.

I will be very magnanimous and simply say, I TOLD YOU SO! ;):-D

It surprises me how pessimistic were Djokovic fans in January 2017.

I would have expected this kind of comments later in 2017 or in early 2018, but not in January 2017.

2016 was one the best seasons of his life... better than 2013 or 2014 IMO.
The 2nd half of the season wasn't as good, but it wasn't that alarming. He won Toronto and Beijing, and made the final in USO and WTF, only losing to peak Wawrinka and peak Murray. He also won Doha for his first tournament in 2017. A few upsets in Bercy against Cilic and Shanghaï against RBA (a guy who always causes him troubles).

Most people on this thread were saying he was done and never winning a slam ever again. How fast do people jump to conclusions. I bet if he loses both the USO and the ATPFinals, we will be reading the same comments again in January 2022...
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Nole is vulturing slams off the next gen so 25 is very possible.

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beard

Legend
@GabeT Always a pleasure to reflect back !!
Yes, it is!
Joe Kovic hasn't aged better than Federererer and Vamos and he's only a year younger than Vamos.
Ann, ahhhhh Ann, great I reminded myself at her... Such an lovely Novak hater... Disappeared during the time... Novak, what have you done....

@AngieB
Miss you too... Lol...
As you could see @GabeT vanished promptly not responding to Fed's victory at Jan'18 but came back when Novak won in Sept 18...

Typical of the fanbase ... LMAO
Gabe is still here...
Where are you... in this difficult times... Lol...



Anyway, I love this historical threads... Shows the nature of human...
 

SonnyT

Legend
Federer aged very well. Since '14, he had 5 Slam titles taken from right under him by Djokovic: '14-15, 19 Wim; '15 USO; '16 AO. Or else, he'd win 7 Slams after turning 33, and the last one at age 38.

No one is turning the heat on an older Djokovic, like he did to an older Federer.
 
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