Nole has more seasons with all 4 slam finals than Rafa with all 4 SFs!

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Nole has three times had a year in which he played in finals at the Australian Open, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, and the US Open - in 2015, 2021 and 2023, and Nadal has been in the semifinals of all four slams twice, in 2008 and 2019.

seasons with all 4 slams:RafaNo1eFed
Fs03 (15,21,23)3 (06,07,09)
SFs2 (08,19)6 (+11,12,13)5 (+05,08)
QFs5 (+10,11,18)8 (+10,14)8 (+10,11,12)
 
UnforcedTerror said:
There is a reason why Bull was never considered the GOAT even when he had the slam record, you know.
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Speak for yourself. Objetive tennis fans, including Novak fans such as Hitman, deemed Nadal the GOAT when he was in possession of the Slam record.

For most tennis fans, the number of Grand Slams is the most relevant all-time great criterion, with other criteria being mere tie-breakers in case two players are tied in Slams.

Now, and perhaps forever, Djokovic is the GOAT with 24 Slams and many other records. He wasn't the GOAT in 2022 having less Slams and a losing H2H in Slams against his main rival, not to mention his lack of Olympics. You can't be the GOAT if you don't have the most relevant criterion, the holy grail, the Slam record. Especially if your main rival that played in your very same generation has more Slams than you. Now Novak has it and is the GOAT.
 
Never defended slam tite outside of RG, never had more than one three slam season, had less seasons reaching all 4 semi-finals than Djokovic and Federer finals, never reached all 4 finals in a season even ONCE (let alone 3 times like Fedovic did...), never won ATP Finals even once and has attrocious indoors win rate, spent 100 less weeks as #1 than Federer and a whooping 200 less than Djokovic and we are supposed to believe he is one of the sport's GOATS??! LOL
 
Sport said:
Speak for yourself. Objetive tennis fans, including Novak fans such as Hitman, deemed Nadal the GOAT when he was in possession of the Slam record.

For most tennis fans, the number of Grand Slams is the most relevant all-time great criterion, with other criteria being mere tie-breakers in case two players are tied in Slams.

Now, and perhaps forever, Djokovic is the GOAT with 24 Slams and many other records. He wasn't the GOAT in 2022 having less Slams and a losing H2H in Slams against his main rival, not to mention his lack of Olympics. You can't be the GOAT if you don't have the most relevant criterion, the holy grail, the Slam record. Especially if your main rival that played in your very same generation has more Slams than you. Now Novak has it and is the GOAT.
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Naw, not if 2/3s of your slam at on one court. That is not GOAT stats. Would he have been GOAT if he had 22 slam wins at RG and none elsewhere? Of course not!. His current slam record is just a few steps down from that.
 
Texas Tennis Fan said:
Naw, not if 2/3s of your slam at on one court. That is not GOAT stats. Would he have been GOAT if he had 22 slam wins at RG and none elsewhere? Of course not!. His current slam record is just a few steps down from that.
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That’s a pointless hypothetical because he literally has an ATG career outside RG and the DCGS lol. “Just a few steps down from that.” Take away his RG titles and he has as many as Agassi and Lendl and more than Becker, Wilander, and Edberg.
 
Sport said:
Speak for yourself. Objetive tennis fans, including Novak fans such as Hitman, deemed Nadal the GOAT when he was in possession of the Slam record.

For most tennis fans, the number of Grand Slams is the most relevant all-time great criterion, with other criteria being mere tie-breakers in case two players are tied in Slams.

Now, and perhaps forever, Djokovic is the GOAT with 24 Slams and many other records. He wasn't the GOAT in 2022 having less Slams and a losing H2H in Slams against his main rival, not to mention his lack of Olympics. You can't be the GOAT if you don't have the most relevant criterion, the holy grail, the Slam record. Especially if your main rival that played in your very same generation has more Slams than you. Now Novak has it and is the GOAT.
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Your opinion. It's not false but it's not a fact either. Objective fans also put Serena Williams and Stefi Graf ahead of Margaret Court, even if she still owns the Slam record with 24... and will own it forever unless Serena comes back and wins her 24th Slam. Graf's CYGS from 1988 and her 377 weeks at No1 are stronger than Court's 24 Slams for a lot of objective fans. Slams are the most important criteria without a doubt, but when the difference is only 1 Slam, other criteria get more credit.

For a lot of objective fans, Djokovic was the GOAT when it was 22-21 at the end of 2022. 6 ATP Finals to 0, NCYGS (which is nearly as strong as a CYGS for a lot of fans), nearly double of weeks at No1, double career Masters, positive H2H, over 50+ more wins against top-10,... all these records make up for that 1 Slam difference. I'm sure you can easily find some online polls from July-December 2022, and hear some podcasts from TennisTV, tennisChannel, ESPN,... the large majority were already crowning Djokovic before he won AO this year.
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
For a lot of objective fans, Djokovic was the GOAT when it was 22-21 at the end of 2022. 6 ATP Finals to 0, NCYGS (which is nearly as strong as a CYGS for a lot of fans), nearly double of weeks at No1, double career Masters, positive H2H, over 50+ more wins against top-10,... all these records make up for that 1 Slam difference. I'm sure you can easily find some online polls from July-December 2022, and hear some podcasts from TennisTV, tennisChannel, ESPN,... the large majority were already crowning Djokovic before he won AO this year.
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You better speak for the masses Queen :D
 
MichaelNadal said:
You better speak for the masses Queen :D
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How will you feel if the roles are reversed?

Djokovic never wins a Slam again.
Nadal wins his last Slam next year and ends with 23.
Nadal gets 600 more weeks at world No1 and finishes with 800 against 400 for Nole
Nadal gets a quadruple career Masters and finishes with 50+ Masters (while Djokovic stays at 40)
Nadal wins 10 ATP Finals between 2024 and 2033. Djokovic stuck at 7 ATP Finals.
Nadal finishes with a positive H2H.
Djokovic wins the Slam Race 24-23 but Nadal gets every other important records.
Will you still say that 24>23 and everything else is irrevevant? Be honest.
 
Nadal lack of consistency outside of clay is another reason why he cannot be the goat. Djokovic performed at a high level year round more than once. His consistency is above everyone else.
 
Texas Tennis Fan said:
Naw, not if 2/3s of your slam at on one court. That is not GOAT stats. Would he have been GOAT if he had 22 slam wins at RG and none elsewhere? Of course not!. His current slam record is just a few steps down from that.
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Using this methodology players as Laver, Martina, Tilden, and M. Court could never qualify for the GOAT title. However, when looking at their comprehensive career accomplishments all of the aforementioned players at one time were in the GOAT discussion.
 
Nadal has missed something like 15 slams with injury and retired or bowed due to injury in another 15 , how on earth could he have made all four semi finals that many times?
 
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MichaelNadal said:
So great on HC he finally matched Rafa at the US open :D
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actually he is greater than rafa at USO
and W
and of course AO

and WTF (rafa 0)

and IW
and miami (rafa 0)
and cinci
and shanghai (rafa 0*)
and paris (rafa 0)

*rafa did win madrid indoor 2005 in the same slot

so 3/4 slams, WTF and 5/9 masters = 9/14 big tournaments!
 
Nadal has only played all four slams in 10 seasons. In at least three of those seasons he retired due to injury prior to the semifinals at a slam three times. Djokovic has played all four slams in 16 seasons.

The level of dishonesty and shamelessness in this statistic being cited as meaningful is hilarious. Like all of Djokovic's achievements it is a credit to his health, consistency and opportunism.
 
weakera said:
Nadal has missed something like 15 slams with injury and retired or bowed due to injury in another 15 , how on earth could he have made all four semi finals that many times?
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So he's not as consistent as the other two? I give no bonus points for being injured..
 
ovie congrats your team won last match, even though you didnt score in overtime, but strome did and it was a beautiful goal with just five sec left
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Threads like these just make people dislike Djokovic more. Why can’t you just be happy your dude got to 24 slams?
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Aussie Darcy said:
Threads like these just make people dislike Djokovic more. Why can’t you just be happy your dude got to 24 slams?
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Just like the thousands of threads like these about Nadal when they he was leading the Slam race last year. Made a lot of ''people'' (whatever that notion means) dislike him even more. I wasn't there when Federer was leading the Slam race but I'm sure it was no different. One look at some threads from 2017 and that's all I see... threads about Federer's records and how he was better than Nadal and Djokovic. Every fandoms want to value the records of his favorite players. You realize that, I hope.
 
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I think while Djokovic is clearly on top now, we should still appreciate how great all of them are.

Just as a comparison, for the next best player in history, Sampras, it would be 0 for Finals, 0 for SFs and just 1 for QFs.

Björn Borg most likely would have great numbers here though if he played AO, but it wasn't to be.
 
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