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I don't wanna sound like Sir Mix-A-Lot but, when it comes to females Novak ain't got nothing on Rafa
Dude, the Nadal swings the other way.
NoleFam - are we mostly Serbian?
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Dude, the Nadal swings the other way.
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Great recommendationsWell, it depends on several factors: how many days you plan to spend, and whether you prefer big cities, night life or nature?
You should spend at least few days in Belgrade particularly if you like great food, spirits, wine and nightlife/clubbing. Novak Djokovic tennis academy is here, with dozen of clay and hard courtsIf you are lucky, you may meet him here
However, since Belgrade “hosts” almost 30% of Serbian population, it can be very crowded, with lots of traffic jams, and in July/August also very hot and humid.
If you prefer exploring natural beauties, there are really many nice places:
1) Danube gorge, with Golubac castle, “Iron Gates” with breathtaking landscapes on both Serbian and Romanian side of the river
2) Fruška Gora in northern Vojvodina province, Sremski Karlovci, Novi Sad, Subotica
3) Zlatibor or even better Zlatar mountain
4) Ovcar & Kablar national park with dozen of beautiful medieval monasteries, and breathtaking view from the top of Kablar mountain
4) Pester plateau, with untouched nature, great landscapes (good for hiking, local people are very hospitable, mandatory visit to kanyon of river Uvac and food is superb, since mostly everything grown in this region is organic!)
5) Mokra Gora/Drvengrad (Emir Kusturica’s wooden village with restored steam train railway through untouched nature)
6) Kopaonik (Serbian ski resort, but nice to visit in summer as well)
7) Vrnjačka Banja, Soko Banja (spa resorts)
This was from the top of my head, however it’s hard to explore any country, including Serbia, in short time.
If I may add with No.6, not only that is beautiful mountain with lot of sightseeing, but it is Novak's childhood mountain.
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TripleATeam
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It isn't a myth that Federer's fanbase believes. It's a myth that some believe. Call it a misconception or a delusion. Some believe it, and it's wrong.Deon Sanders also says that clay is not a real surface: should we colour Federer"s fanbase as the one claiming that?
Please tell me that you are joking.
I'm not trying to be uppity, just trying to say that it's a mistake to fault someone for saying myth instead of "incorrect notion".
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, it depends on several factors: how many days you plan to spend, and whether you prefer big cities, night life or nature?
You should spend at least few days in Belgrade particularly if you like great food, spirits, wine and nightlife/clubbing. Novak Djokovic tennis academy is here, with dozen of clay and hard courts
However, since Belgrade “hosts” almost 30% of Serbian population, it can be very crowded, with lots of traffic jams, and in July/August also very hot and humid.
If you prefer exploring natural beauties, there are really many nice places:
1) Danube gorge, with Golubac castle, “Iron Gates” with breathtaking landscapes on both Serbian and Romanian side of the river
2) Fruška Gora in northern Vojvodina province, Sremski Karlovci, Novi Sad, Subotica
3) Zlatibor or even better Zlatar mountain
4) Ovcar & Kablar national park with dozen of beautiful medieval monasteries, and breathtaking view from the top of Kablar mountain
4) Pester plateau, with untouched nature, great landscapes (good for hiking, local people are very hospitable, mandatory visit to kanyon of river Uvac and food is superb, since mostly everything grown in this region is organic!)
5) Mokra Gora/Drvengrad (Emir Kusturica’s wooden village with restored steam train railway through untouched nature)
6) Kopaonik (Serbian ski resort, but nice to visit in summer as well)
7) Vrnjačka Banja, Soko Banja (spa resorts)
This was from the top of my head, however it’s hard to explore any country, including Serbia, in short time.
Thank you very much for the valuable information. I'll keep it in mind.
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FedGR
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Another Greek here that supports Djoko even though my username might suggest otherwise. Him being an orthodox Christian doesn't play a role here. I support him, Cilic, Grigor, Simona and anybody with lots of talent and strong ethics.
Yes he can be a bit cringy and odd but honestly I get the same vibes from the other 2 some times, no biggie.
***btw, Greeks and Serbians like each other for many more reasons than just religion***
Yes he can be a bit cringy and odd but honestly I get the same vibes from the other 2 some times, no biggie.
***btw, Greeks and Serbians like each other for many more reasons than just religion***
BlueB
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Good list!Well, it depends on several factors: how many days you plan to spend, and whether you prefer big cities, night life or nature?
You should spend at least few days in Belgrade particularly if you like great food, spirits, wine and nightlife/clubbing. Novak Djokovic tennis academy is here, with dozen of clay and hard courts
However, since Belgrade “hosts” almost 30% of Serbian population, it can be very crowded, with lots of traffic jams, and in July/August also very hot and humid.
If you prefer exploring natural beauties, there are really many nice places:
1) Danube gorge, with Golubac castle, “Iron Gates” with breathtaking landscapes on both Serbian and Romanian side of the river
2) Fruška Gora in northern Vojvodina province, Sremski Karlovci, Novi Sad, Subotica
3) Zlatibor or even better Zlatar mountain
4) Ovcar & Kablar national park with dozen of beautiful medieval monasteries, and breathtaking view from the top of Kablar mountain
4) Pester plateau, with untouched nature, great landscapes (good for hiking, local people are very hospitable, mandatory visit to kanyon of river Uvac and food is superb, since mostly everything grown in this region is organic!)
5) Mokra Gora/Drvengrad (Emir Kusturica’s wooden village with restored steam train railway through untouched nature)
6) Kopaonik (Serbian ski resort, but nice to visit in summer as well)
7) Vrnjačka Banja, Soko Banja (spa resorts)
This was from the top of my head, however it’s hard to explore any country, including Serbia, in short time.
Lots of stuff to see in Belgrade itself, that would be a separate list.
If in Subotica, visit the Palic lake too.
I'd also add the Smederevo castle, the Europe's biggest lowland fortress;
Vinca locality, near Belgrade, possibly the cradle of the civilization;
Viminacium, near Kostolac, Roman archeological site;
Lepenski Vir, neolithic site;
Stara Planina, ski centre and hiking unspoiled nature in the summer;
Mt Rtanj, possibly a pyramid?!?
Other spas;
Lots of monasteries, besides already mentioned Ovcar/Kablar, lots of them in Kosovo, if you dare to go there...
tennisaddict
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Why wouldn't there be correlation ? If Novak had global fanbase, we should see more crowds at WImbledon and USO supporting him. If we had a tournament at Belgrade , pretty sure the crowd will be as loud as what it is for Fed at Wimb / USO. I wonder why he doesn't get the support at those stadiums ?
Or his fanbase decided that they cannot and should not visit those elitist places ?
BlueB
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Shu-Pak
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powerangle
Legend
Some counter points:
1) You can have a global fanbase and still not attend the event. I sure as hell won't pay the $$$ to travel to Europe and watch Wimbledon or Roland Garros live, or go to Australia to watch the AO live, or heck, even go to NYC to watch USO live. If someone gave me a free ticket and I was already in the area...sure, I'll probably go watch? But I won't go out of my way and shell out the $$$ to watch any player live. Not for Roger, not for Rafa, and not even for Novak. But I will cheer on any player I am rooting for from my TV. And I'll cheer hard. Does that make me any less of a fan?
Or do you have a different definition of "fan"?
2) We've already established that Fed overall has more fans than Novak. And thus almost everywhere Fed fans will outnumber Nole fans (that is what "having more fans overall" means, right?). So why would the crowd (which has more Fed fans) cheer more loudly for Novak? For all you know, there could have been plenty of Americans, Chinese, Aussies, British, Italians, Mexicans, Africans, Russians, etc, etc, etc (aka fanbase diversity, which again, is the original point of this thread) cheering for Novak from the crowds.........but my virtue of logic, since has Fed has MORE fans (which is already agreed on), wouldn't Fed's own diverse fanbase drown out the cheers from Novak's fans? By the sheer numbers? That's what should be expected, right?
You can have fewer fans than someone else, but still have a relatively diverse fanbase. Please don't confuse the two.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I think there are 2 distinct issues.
1. Novak has a hugely disproportionate number of fans as compared to Federer . Of course, this is not the point of discussion here
2. A player could have very less number of fans, yet could be diverse. This is the subject of this thread. What i am stating is if Novak had global fanbase, then they should show up in at least some numbers at the biggest events, despite the fact that the size of the fanbase is significantly lesser than Fed's. Novak had less than 1000 supporting him in a 25000 stadium. Why is that ? Djokovic fans are not able to afford a ticket ? I understand the Wimb elitist, Rolex crowd does not care for the Serbian. But what about the working class, AA bleacher crowd ?
Also, I am sure if we had a tournament at Belgrade, Novak will have a big crowd for support. Why is it that he can get crowd at Belgrade and not at Wimbledon or New York ?
powerangle
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But that's totally the point. I feel like we are talking in circles now. EVEN if Novak had fewer than 1000 supporters (a low number), couldn't those 1000 fans still be diverse?
Novak has the home court advantage in Serbia. Roger has the home court advantage in Switzerland. Elsewhere in the world, Fed has more fans so he will have the bigger crowd support than Novak. Isn't that the whole point?
Also, and this is just my conjecture, Roger gets a little more crowd support (beyond his already huge fanbase) because he is older and is in his twilight years as a pro tennis player. Each event he plays, we are reaching closer and closer to his swan song. People tend to cheer for the old lion due to nostalgia, not knowing how much longer we can still see him, etc. Once Fedal retire (if they do retire earlier than Novak), then Novak will be the last remnant of the historic "Big 3" and I have a feeling there will be more in the crowd cheering for him in his finals events. Again, can't prove this, but I have feeling Roger is getting a slight boost in crowd cheers when playing against Novak also for this reason, beyond having a much larger fanbase in general.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Sure, You could have a 1000 fanbase and they can be diverse . But the size of the fanbase cannot be so lopsided based on where the match is played
Let us simplify this :
Whether a match is played at Basel, NY, Wimbledon or Paris - Fed has same kind of support everywhere
If a match is played at Beijing or Belgrade or to some extent Melbourne - there is support for Novak. Elsewhere - you can start counting by your fingers.
powerangle
Legend
That's the point. He has a larger fan base. Whether it's 80%, or 70%, or 96%, or 73%...you will hear that kind of support much louder than 20%, or 30%, or 4%, or 27%...the smaller fanbase is completely drowned out. You'll hear the seemingly steady/equal/loud support for Fed.
And even with Fed has an even more diverse fan base than Novak (if that's the point you are trying to make), that doesn't mean Novak's own fan base isn't already diverse. Your original "80% Serbian" comment doesn't hold up when Novak already has many fans in Beijing (doubt they're mostly Serbian). China has a large population and they're mostly non-Serbian.
Futhermore, you can still have concentrated pockets of fans in certain locations, but still have fans all over the place, and therefore still be diverse. Diversity doesn't mean it has to be split exactly equally.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
This is like saying Nadal's resume is diverse. When numbers are similar across the world - then you say you have a global fanbase. You have 70% Serbia, 10% China, 10% India , 2% USA, 2% Brits, 2% French, I wouldn't call it truly diverse. He has fans everywhere but the minor percentages are irrelevant in the scheme of things.
powerangle
Legend
That's where we disagree. I still consider that diverse. Not as diverse as Fed's, but still diverse. It may be more concentrated in one or two pockets, but there is still variance.
I also happen to think Nadal's resume is diverse. It's clay-concentrated but he still has variety.
And I also don't necessarily agree with your percentages, but it's unprovable.
JerseyDevil
New User
I'm first generation born in the United States. Both my parents came from Serbia.
DJ-
Hall of Fame
Sport in Serbia is hugely followed in general, anytime Serbia makes the finals of basketball, football, olympic gold, tennis, anything really the sports teams / individuals have huge following and home welcoming. People stay up late, wake up early, any excuse to watch some sport. For a small country, Serbia has had great success across many sports and has been supported. Senna was very popular here too, F1 in general is.
DJ-
Hall of Fame
The ties to the Church are there for sure, maybe explains why he liked Sampras, Agassi so much, all Orthodox. And ironically Halep also lol
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
The Indian Empire is vast, my friend, stretching from India to San Diego.
Mainad
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Nah, that title belongs to Janowicz.
GoodVibrations
Rookie
Lmao at aged flute player. Nadal is cute but yes, too much sun, which is surprising considering he's Spaniard. People with Latin blood tend to age better, I think. Nole is so hot! And I'm American of Colombian descent.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Born in India and immigrated to the US. Yep I'm a Novak fan and I know many more friends from India & China at work who are Novak fans. Some of my personal friends in India are 60% fed, 430% Djokovic , 10% nadal. But my sample size is too small though
Novak fan here in Florida, USA. Tsitsipas, FAA and Shapovalov are my favorite young players. I do wish that Shapo would get his act together again, as he seems to have so much potential.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Here's the thing: there's a the proportion.
Say Djokovic has a fanbase 30% of Federer's, and that Federer is more popular with non-Slavic, non-Asian, non-Australian people (2x), opposite for Djokovic. In a hypothetical Djokovic v Federer match in the US Open, we would expect 15% of the crowd to root for Djokovic, 85% to root for Federer. The same for RG and Wimbledon. In the AO, Shanghai, Croatia, 40% of the crowd would be for Djokovic.
Regardless of if you think these figures are correct, you see the point. Djokovic can have a global audience and still be less popular than Federer. The only thing that changes is how likely each nationality is to be a fan of Djokovic.
Among Serbians: 10-100x likelier.
Among Swiss: 10-100x less likely.
Therefore the Serbian Open would have 75% - 97% of the crowd rooting for Djokovic.
Basel would have 0.3% - 3% of the crowd rooting for Djokovic.
Of course we can tweak the numbers, but Federer certainly has a larger fanbase than Djokovic - particularly among casual tennis fans, and Djokovic certainly has a global fanbase. Are Serbians more inclined to root for him? Yes. Are his fans mostly Serbian? No.
It's a simple enough thing, really. Say half of Serbia are tennis fans and they all like Novak. That's 3.5 million people. Then say only the people that follow Djokovic on social media are his fans. He has 8.5 million twitter followers. That's 40% Serbians at maximum. That isn't most.
Cashman
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To be fair, that's not a great analogy because being Swedish or Swiss carries a lot less baggage.
Djokovic is passionate and patriotic, and as a result I doubt you will find too many non-Serbians over the age of 35 who are big fans of him. The image of a Serb who wraps himself in the flag carries a lot of negative connotations for those of us who remember the early 1990s. Sort of how you wouldn't have found too many older people supporting Germany at the 1954 World Cup.
On the other hand I think you would find that he does very well in younger demographics, who not only don't remember the war but also grew up being bored by Federer and Nadal winning everything.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Serbia has population of 7 million . Deduct children and those who are not into sports or social media. You will have about 4.0 million. Add 2 million of people with duplicate accounts or accounts to hate Fedal. You arrive at 6.0 million. He had about 7 million followers on facebook and 6 million on instagram. So, I would think he has about 1.0 million non Serbian followers or about 20%.
These are all factual numbers.
Cashman
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Fixed.
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And Novak isn't?
BlueB
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That's laughable math [emoji1787]
But, sad part is that you assume that huge numbers of people would bother with double accounts, trolling and stuff like that... Probably because you are starting from yourself as the base.
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mahesh69a
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"Serbia has population of 7 million . Deduct children and those who are not into sports or social media. You will have about 4.0 million. Add 2 million of people with duplicate accounts or accounts to hate Fedal. You arrive at 6.0 million. He had about 7 million followers on facebook and 6 million on instagram. So, I would think he has about 1.0 million non Serbian followers or about 20%.
These are all factual numbers."
Many Novak fans here in India (many have spoken in this thread also) - I have to say that you are really being unfair to Novak by insisting most of his fans are Serbians, in spite of much evidence to the contrary within this thread.
Serbia is too small a country (population-wise) to be the main fanbase for any global sports stars.
But, why should facts get in the way of your agenda, am I right?
These are all factual numbers."
Many Novak fans here in India (many have spoken in this thread also) - I have to say that you are really being unfair to Novak by insisting most of his fans are Serbians, in spite of much evidence to the contrary within this thread.
Serbia is too small a country (population-wise) to be the main fanbase for any global sports stars.
But, why should facts get in the way of your agenda, am I right?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Rabe87 was a bit of a character wasn't he. I think it's safe to say that reading the "How to make friends and influence people" manual was never exactly at the top of his list of priorities before joining this forum.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Djoker is my second favourite player. I'm Australian
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Was?Rabe87 was a bit of a character wasn't he. I think it's safe to say that reading the "How to make friends and influence people" manual was never exactly at the top of his list of priorities before joining this forum.
BlueB
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Seems to be banned.
He was over the top, giving the rest of Nolefam bad image... I even wonder if he was a real Nole's fan?
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DerekNoleFam1
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Aussie here with no Balkans background.
Only ever supported 2 players, Nole and Ivan Lendl.
Only ever supported 2 players, Nole and Ivan Lendl.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Well, I don't know anything about Novak wrapping himself in the flag, and I'm a lot older than 35. I have to confess to being pretty ignorant about the history there, but I certainly would never link Serbia to Germany. I'm very familiar with anti-German feeling. My family was shocked that I was interested in German and learned it. My father and uncle were in WWII. They wanted to know why I was not interested in learning French!
I'm not sure why I as an American would or should have any prejudice against Serbia. Am I missing something?
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OhYes
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Something is seriously wrong with you.
What you just said could only be said by very immature person with bags of hate, or person who doesn't have basic knowledge of things he is talking about. Could be both.You think 4 million Serbs follow sport and go on social media, and half of them just want to hate Fedal so they are making double accounts
? I am not following Djokovic on any network. And I am educated adult. The number you are looking is not bigger than 100.000.Example - take one rather new, really popular Serbian song on Youtube, and look at counter how many times has it been visited, opened, listened.... you won't find much larger number than 1 million. And we are talking about music, something that all people from former Yugoslavia (6 countries now) visit and listen because they know the language. That is 1 million times opened and reopened by population of 20 million.
You don't know anything about Serbia or Djokovic fans, so better stick to your fangroup please.
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Cashman
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Well, I guess American global awareness is a bit different.Well, I don't know anything about Novak wrapping himself in the flag, and I'm a lot older than 35. I have to confess to being pretty ignorant about the history there, but I certainly would never link Serbia to Germany. I'm very familiar with anti-German feeling. My family was shocked that I was interested in German and learned it. My father and uncle were in WWII. They wanted to know why I was not interested in learning French!
I'm not sure why I as an American would or should have any prejudice against Serbia. Am I missing something?
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Educate me. Assume I am incredibly stupid. What has Serbia done that compares to Hitler and the Third Reich?
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