Nole's Well-Earned Reputation for Great Sportsmanship Just Took a Ding

winstonplum

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Granted the umpired has got to make that call, what an absolute idiot, Nole also has to concede that. He's got a great reputation as a good sport, and well-earned, but that was bush.

He knew he went over. Hell, 4.0 hacks like myself know when we go over and always make sure we don't. That's twice in less than a year that Nole has looked like a rank amateur around the net, and this time Muz called him on it and he lied.

What the **** are these umpires doing? Why is an unknown amateur like that in the chair for such a huge match. Where's Layani or Gardner or Pascal Maria. Jesus, what a shameful non-call. He saw it; he just didn't have the balls to make the call.
 
jm1980

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I didn't watch it, but there are situations in which you can reach over the net.

OFFICIAL RULING

A player may break the plane of the net on a follow through from a shot as long as the ball was on that player’s side of the court when the ball was struck. (The player can only reach over to play a ball in the situation stated in the paragraph below).

The player in either situation may not touch the net, or the opponent’s court with anything he wears or carries or with any part of the body.

If the spin or wind brings the ball back over the net to the side of the player(s) who hit the shot, the opponent(s) may then reach over the net and play the ball. They may not touch the net or the opponent’s court. This is the only situation when a player may reach over the net to play a ball. If the opponent does not play the ball and it bounces on the side of the player who hit the spin shot, that player who hit that shot wins the point.
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http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Player-to-Player/Rules/Reaching_over_the_net/
 
winstonplum

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Muz hit a desperation little floater back and Nole clearly reached over and made contact on Murray's side. It was clear in real-time and it was crystal clear on replay. Murray went to Nole for a concession, Nole stuck to his story of only crossing on the follow through. Not Nole's finest moment, from a usually very good sport.
 
jm1980

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winstonplum said:
Muz hit a desperation little floater back and Nole clearly reached over and made contact on Murray's side. It was clear in real-time and it was crystal clear on replay. Murray went to Nole for a concession, Nole stuck to his story of only crossing on the follow through. Not Nole's finest moment, from a usually very good sport.
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Did he have to reach over, or would he have been fine if he just waited for the ball to cross into his side of the net?

Nole just isn't very good at the net, is he? Like when he botched the point at RG against Ralph.
 
winstonplum

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Ump, pulled from the local rec courts and nursing a two-day hangover, missed the call. Marred match. Pyrrhic Victory for Nole if he wins; very similar to Raonic's lame win over Delpo last year.
 
winstonplum

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jm1980 said:
Did he have to reach over, or would he have been fine if he just waited for the ball to cross into his side of the net?

Nole just isn't very good at the net, is he? Like when he botched the point at RG against Ralph.
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He reached over so badly, ball might not have even have cleared the net to Nole's side. It was a lame floater dropping quickly. Another weird rec level net play by Nole to bookend his RG debacle. Unfurtunately, Joe sixpack from the courts was in the chair as opposed to Pascal Maria.
 
DarlesChickens

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jm1980 said:
Did he have to reach over, or would he have been fine if he just waited for the ball to cross into his side of the net?

Nole just isn't very good at the net, is he? Like when he botched the point at RG against Ralph.
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Well that's the main point...the slo-mo showed the ball was never even going to cross over the net. Nole popped his racket over and put the ball away.

Replay was showed on the big screen and the umpire bottled it. Not a good moment.
 
Fed_Djoker_Fan

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winstonplum said:
Granted the umpired has got to make that call, what an absolute idiot, Nole also has to concede that. He's got a great reputation as a good sport, and well-earned, but that was bush.

He knew he went over. Hell, 4.0 hacks like myself know when we go over and always make sure we don't. That's twice in less than a year that Nole has looked like a rank amateur around the net, and this time Muz called him on it and he lied.

What the **** are these umpires doing? Why is an unknown amateur like that in the chair for such a huge match. Where's Layani or Gardner or Pascal Maria. Jesus, what a shameful non-call. He saw it; he just didn't have the balls to make the call.
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Agreed with every point. Right on the money there.
 
Bud

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winstonplum said:
He reached over so badly, ball might not have even have cleared the net to Nole's side. It was a lame floater dropping quickly. Another weird rec level net play by Nole to bookend his RG debacle. Unfurtunately, Joe sixpack from the courts was in the chair as opposed to Pascal Maria.
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Once the ball clears the net plane, any hit on it is legal as the finish/follow through can be over the net.

On which side of the net did his frame initially touch the ball?

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So, if I read this correctly, the ball was never going to make it across the net to Djok's side.
 
V

Vrad

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Stupidest thing was the ball would probably never have crossed over to Novak's side in the first place.

However, the biggest loser was Murray, who let that one point (which he SHOULD have lost anyways, if it wasn't for a Novak brain fart), gift Novak the set.
 
Fed_Djoker_Fan

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Vrad said:
Stupidest thing was the ball would probably never have crossed over to Novak's side in the first place.

However, the biggest loser was Murray, who let that one point (which he SHOULD have lost anyways, if it wasn't for a Novak brain fart), gift Novak the set.
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The thread is not about who won the point. The better player won today.
The point is about Djoker's lying.
 
DNShade

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It was a totally blown call by the ump -- Nole reached over THEN hit the ball -- totally illegal and Andy's point. Granted it wasn't a sure thing that Andy's shot was even going to make it over the net but that is a moot point. Nole hit it before it crossed the plain of the net -- by quite a distance -- so he loses the point.

The amazing thing is that the umpire seemed to not know that rule.

The bad part of all of this is that it clearly distracted Andy (which is his fault of course but we've all been there) and he gave away the first set.

Always a shame when a bad call leads to major impact. Especially now with all the replay shot spot etc. These kinds of things should be a thing of the past.
 
Fed_Djoker_Fan

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DNShade said:
It was a totally blown call by the ump -- Nole reached over THEN hit the ball -- totally illegal and Andy's point. Granted it wasn't a sure thing that Andy's shot was even going to make it over the net but that is a moot point. Nole hit it before it crossed the plain of the net -- by quite a distance -- so he loses the point.

The amazing thing is that the umpire seemed to not know that rule.

The bad part of all of this is that it clearly distracted Andy (which is his fault of course but we've all been there) and he gave away the first set.

Always a shame when a bad call leads to major impact. Especially now with all the replay shot spot etc. These kinds of things should be a thing of the past.
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The Umpire was clearly telling Muarry that Djoker hit it on Djokers court and the racket crossed the net in follow through, which was not the case.

1)Umpires make wrong call all the time.
2) Its not Djokers job

But Murray walked upto Djoker putting faith in him and asking him what really happened.
Djoker lying and Djoker later saying he didnt know the rule is what making this worth discussing.
 
Rozroz

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wow, relax with those hate threads guys!
it's probably a close call for the player himself in that situation.
in the heat of the moment he felt he made contact at a legal place. cannot expect a player to easily dismiss his efforts to end the point.
it was up to the umpire on this kind of call.
 
V

Vrad

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Fed_Djoker_Fan said:
The Umpire was clearly telling Muarry that Djoker hit it on Djokers court and the racket crossed the net in follow through, which was not the case.

1)Umpires make wrong call all the time.
2) Its not Djokers job

But Murray walked upto Djoker putting faith in him and asking him what really happened.
Djoker lying and Djoker later saying he didnt know the rule is what making this worth discussing.
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The commentators were pointing out that there was miscommunication between Murray and the umpire. The umpire thought Murray was complaining that Djokovic touched the net, because that is what he thought Murray was saying "His racket did not go over", while instead, Murray was, rightly, complaining that Novak's racket "went over on to his side of the court".

The impreciseness of English strikes again.
 
Fed_Djoker_Fan

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Vrad said:
The commentators were pointing out that there was miscommunication between Murray and the umpire. The umpire thought Murray was complaining that Djokovic touched the net, because that is what he thought Murray was saying "His racket did not go over", while instead, Murray was, rightly, complaining that Novak's racket "went over on to his side of the court".

The impreciseness of English strikes again.
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Never argue with stupids. They will beat you with their experience in stupidity.
Stupidity strikes again.
 
winstonplum

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After the match, Nole said he didn't know the rules. Wow. Just wow. There are only a few rules in tennis that you need to learn, and he's saying that he didn't know he couldn't hit the ball on the other player's side. I mean, perhaps he's being honest, but that would be shocking that nowhere along the way he was told that rule or sought it out himself.
 
Mick

Mick

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not a hater but I find Djokovic's excuse of not knowing the rules unbelievable. In my life, I played maybe hundreds of tennis matches and I know that rule. My tennis friends know this rule as well. Djokovic played thousands of matches and tennis is his profession and he doesn't know that rule?
 
Bertie B

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Great sportmanship? for Djokovic??

Ha! From day one Novak EARNED a reputation for Great Gamesmanship. This guy has always been a slime ball, right in the gutter with Justine Henin. Things subsided a tad in 2011. It is interesting to see he's back to pre-2.0 on court behavior.

Telling.
 
jm1980

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Bertie B said:
Ha! From day one Novak EARNED a reputation for Great Gamesmanship. This guy has always been a slime ball, right in the gutter with Justine Henin. Things subsided a tad in 2011. It is interesting to see he's back to pre-2.0 on court behavior.

Telling.
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And how has he "earned" a reputation for gamesmanship? Would you care to give a single example of said gamesmanship?
 
Djokovic2011

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Mick said:
not a hater but I find Djokovic's excuse of not knowing the rules unbelievable. In my life, I played maybe hundreds of tennis matches and I know that rule. My tennis friends know this rule as well. Djokovic played thousands of matches and tennis is his profession and he doesn't know that rule?
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Hate on the umpire, not Nole. That's not his job.
 
winstonplum

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chrischris said:
Nole makes his own rules. Hope Fed will put this pank in his place in the semis.
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I disagree. Of the top four, Nole has always been the most gracious in defeat. He's also consistently done the hand to racquet clap to players in really important spots. He's usually a very good sport. I was shocked today, frankly. I thought he'd concede when Muz came to net. His rep took a ding. That's all. Not the end of the world.
 
Kenshin

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I don't know why you guys are discussing whether Djokovic is wrong or the umpire is wrong? In this match and in this case there both deserve the criticism. The umpire should have made the right call and Djokovic should have learnt the rules. Unfortunately they both behaved unprofessionally today.
 
WildVolley

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That is the weirdest thing I've seen. Djokovic reached way over the net. Yet he claims he doesn't know this is against the rules?

Even rising 3.5 doubles players know you can't do this.

Strange, given I've seen Djokovic concede points without complaint when a linesman has made a mistake.
 
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vicnan

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http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/djokovic-net2.gif

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Forehand Of Doom

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It might have been an honest mistake due to ignorance of the rules. I'm glad that wasn't Rafa though, because the Fed Police would have already tried, convicted, and brought him to justice.
 
winstonplum

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This is angle doesn't do it justice. The angle right from the bottom of the net that they kept showing on TV was totally conclusive.
 
WildVolley

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winstonplum said:
This is angle doesn't do it justice. The angle right from the bottom of the net that they kept showing on TV was totally conclusive.
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Yes. That video clip shows a camera almost in line with the net near the end and there's no question that the racket head was well over the net at ball contact.

As I've said previously, it is hard for Djokovic not to know that if he contacts the ball before it breaks the plane of the net, then his opponent gets the point. Certainly, every doubles player is well aware of that rule.
 
Tenez101

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Nadal fanatics on this board really do seem to have a propensity for schadenfreude.

The guy messed up. It's unfortunate but it happens. Nadal has done plenty of questionable things *coughAOFINALcough*, it doesn't mean he's the next Hitler. Raonic did pretty much the same thing a few months ago and everybody has already forgotten about that.

On another note, Djokovic clearly has some mental issues regarding the net (crap overhead putaways, volleys, and especially RG semi last year). Might have contributed to his kneejerk reaction to reach over in the match.
 
Mick

Mick

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the problem is not that he messed up but he said he did not know of that rule.

Djokovic is still a great sportsman but this great sportsman doesn't know a simple tennis rule.
 
Tenez101

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Mick said:
the problem is not that he messed up but he said he did not know of that rule.

Djokovic is still a great sportsman but this great sportsman doesn't know a simple tennis rule.
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I really think he has intense psychological issues regarding the net, which were very much exacerbated by the net incident from the Nadal RG match last year. Just look how he refers to the incident in his interview (while attempting to rationalize his mistake). He clearly knows the rule, but I think that moment haunts him so much that it's very hard for him to admit he made another net-related mistake.
 
T-Noone

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Tenez101 said:
I really think he has intense psychological issues regarding the net, which were very much exacerbated by the net incident from the Nadal RG match last year. Just look how he refers to the incident in his interview (while attempting to rationalize his mistake). He clearly knows the rule, but I think that moment haunts him so much that it's very hard for him to admit he made another net-related mistake.
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Amen homie. I don't hate Nole now, I'm just a bit perturbed. We'll all move on.
 
Crisstti

Crisstti

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winstonplum said:
I disagree. Of the top four, Nole has always been the most gracious in defeat. He's also consistently done the hand to racquet clap to players in really important spots. He's usually a very good sport. I was shocked today, frankly. I thought he'd concede when Muz came to net. His rep took a ding. That's all. Not the end of the world.
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Hehe, he does clap opponents winners from time to time, but he also makes exasperated gestures after them, and there was his sarcastic gesture sometime over a shot of Federer which looked to be a great shot and there was a reaction from the public, and Novak hit his racket with his hand showing it had been a mishit...

Forehand Of Doom said:
It might have been an honest mistake due to ignorance of the rules. I'm glad that wasn't Rafa though, because the Fed Police would have already tried, convicted, and brought him to justice.
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Lol, can you imagine?.

Tenez101 said:
Nadal fanatics on this board really do seem to have a propensity for schadenfreude.

The guy messed up. It's unfortunate but it happens. Nadal has done plenty of questionable things *coughAOFINALcough*, it doesn't mean he's the next Hitler. Raonic did pretty much the same thing a few months ago and everybody has already forgotten about that.

On another note, Djokovic clearly has some mental issues regarding the net (crap overhead putaways, volleys, and especially RG semi last year). Might have contributed to his kneejerk reaction to reach over in the match.
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*caughdumbpostcough*
 
T-Noone

T-Noone

Professional
Djokovic2011 said:
:shock: When did you ever hate him, I thought you were his fan?
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Yes I am. I'm just being reasonable unlike other fans by admitting that my player screwed up today. I am a little concerned that he didn't know that rule..and come to think of it, he was smirking like a mo-fo xD

Point is despite all this, I'm still a Nole fan. Hopefully an opportunity will come soon to make up for this
 
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