(non) buyer's remorse: Gamma 4000 related

VGP

Legend
Help me alleviate my non-buyer's remorse regarding a stringing machine and some Prince string that I saw on Craigslist....

I saw an ad on Craigslist for a used Gamma 4000 - and older model upright two-point mount lock-out machine. There were two pics but they were hazy and the seller was asking for offers. I contacted the seller to see what price range he was expecting and he said $125. I countered with $100 and then he countered again to $120.

I thought, why not at least check it out. If it's complete and decent perhaps I can sell it for profit.

I meet the seller and it seems that he quit the game a few years ago due to his ankles.... He shows me the machine and find that it's incomplete but functional. He had been using it with flying clamps (one didn't hold well) and he did not have the glide-bar system. It was also missing another mounting bar and all the different nylon mounting adapters......

The thing is I don't need another machine. I have an Alpha Pioneer III and what's essentially the same machine as in the ad, a Tenex 4000 that I got at a garage sale last year for $25 that was complete, but not in the best cosmetic shape. (pics of the machine are in the link)

I checked out the machine with trepidation only because it wasn't complete and turning it around for profit became less likely. I told him that I know the machine was supposed to have the glide bar system......and we agree on $100 if I were to buy it as he had it.

Then he asks if I were interested in a "brand new Sampras racket." He said that he bought it just before he quit the game. He dug around in the garage and below a nylon bag was the frame. It was a new, plastic on handle never strung mid-China version that was nicked up from being under some stuff with a bent up display card. It has some scratches that could be covered up with a black Sharpie, but not really super nice to get the best deal on e-bay. Definitely a very playable frame.

I found myself torn between the frame and the machine and my set limit of only wanting to spend between $100-$120. He told me he'd sell it all for $200. I said that all I had on me what the $120. He didn't want to sell it all for that price saying that the racket alone was a "hundred dollar racket", but backed down to $150 because he really wanted to get rid of the machine.

I said that I couldn't do that so I just bought the racket (one of my favorite rackets in my preferred gripsize of 4 3/8 ) and the string (22 sets of PSGO 16 - my preferred string - and a set of Gamma Prodigy) for $100.

I feel like I could have gotten a better deal on the racket and strings if I haggled a little more - but I know that he knew the price of the racket. I am also wondering if I should have scrounged up another $30 and spent the additional $50 to get the machine as well if not for parts since he was anxious to get the machine out of his garage.

It was a great upright with secure two-point mount system with brake and tool tray. Smooth functioning crank tensioner..... (sigh) .....it just didn't have everything that is supposed to be with a complete Gamma 4000. Could be used with better flying clamps? Clamping system replaced?.....

Some of the parts on his machine were in better shape than the one that I have. I could have combined the parts to have a single real clean machine but I'd have large bulky parts that wouldn't be used.....

Considering parting it out, a new Gamma crank tensioner itself is almost $400, for example....... (sigh)
 
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VGP

Legend
Not in New York....

Here are the pics from the listing:



Not sure how long they'll be up.
 

VGP

Legend
It actually wasn't beat up at all. It was covered in a layer of garage dust but it was in good shape. If I had to guess, clamps and glide bars might cost an additional $100.

The more I think about it, I did get a Chinese PS85 and over $90 worth of string for the $100.....
 
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It actually wasn't beat up at all. It was covered in a layer of garage dust but it was in good shape. If I had to guess, clamps and glide bars might cost an additional $100.

The more I think about it, I did get a Chinese PS85 and over $90 worth of string for the $100.....
Let me alleviate that remorse of yours.

Send the PS85 over to me.

The best part? I'm giving this amazing deal to you absolutely FREE OF CHARGE!!! :D
 

Lakers4Life

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It actually wasn't beat up at all. It was covered in a layer of garage dust but it was in good shape. If I had to guess, clamps and glide bars might cost an additional $100.

The more I think about it, I did get a Chinese PS85 and over $90 worth of string for the $100.....
So that's what's in the plastic bag. It looked like grommet tubing. I don't know how much glide bars are, but the clamps will set you back at least $35-$50 a set.

A friend of mine bought a used stringer, and the seller gave him a box load of reels and some loose sets. There were at least 10 reels of Gamma Syn Gut, 4 reels of Gosen OGSM, and single sets what look like a Gamma sample pack. That alone was a couple hundred dollars worth of string, plus a dirty Gamma 5002 to boot.
 

VGP

Legend
He wasn't specific as to what was in the bag. But when I saw it was 22 sets of my preferred string (and string gauge) and one of my favorite frames I bought just those items.

I know what you mean about a decent packaged deal...

Had the machine been complete or had better clamps I would have considered it further. Given the score I had last year I was hard pressed to get almost the same exact machine, but a potential for a solid upright crank for $100 was a deal worth checking out.

But $150 for the whole deal - it's the additional $50 for the base machine is where I feel a twinge of regret.

A couple of Stringway floating clamps and you're more than good to go......

I like little (or not so little) tennis gear "projects." In the not too distant past the Gamma 4000 was a $1000+ machine. But my basement is starting to look like a veritable tennis graveyard of 20 year old gear. :)
 

VGP

Legend
Thanks drakulie.

Technically speaking it's the "Federer" model of PS85 with the cosmetics and labeling that he used against Sampras at Wimbledon of '01. In his preferred grip size. Maybe it'll someday be a collector's piece given Federer's ascendence to awesomeness this year.

I just wish it didn't have the nicks....

Now, if I could land a Chicago PS85 in decent shape....for cheap like you've done many times.
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
A friend of mine says he has a PS 85 St. Vincent, but I have not seen it yet. I'll post pics in the racket section if I do.

VGP, If you were considering going from the table top to this, you could have combined the two units, and parted out the parts you don't need or had spares. It would of only cost you a $100 since you already go the racket and string.
 

VGP

Legend
I know. I thought about that earlier today.

The glide bars of my Alpha Pioneer III have the adjustable plates on them and could likely fit. I just don't know if the clamps are of the same length. I suppose I can check and see.

Given the deal that he offered ($150 for incomplete Gamma 4000, PS85, and 23 sets of string) it would have only been an additional $50 to get the machine.

I'm still kicking myself a bit because Gamma products are of good quality. Once the machine that I saw was cleaned up it would be a very nice machine that would last a long time.

My Tenex 4000 is great and works perfectly. The only thing is that it's got superficial corrosion spots from being stored in either a dank basement or in a garage. The main frame of the Gamma 4000 that I checked out was cleaner than my Tenex 4000.

You can see the rusty spots in the pic that I posted in the other thread:

 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
^^^I have a Wilson Sting just like that. For some reason I thought you had a Tabletop machine. You are right, you're basically getting the same machine.
 

VGP

Legend
I do have a table top machine....as well.



In looking into the Gamma 4000 I was thinking I could combine the best parts between the two machines and have a single nice machine and sell the other (what I hoped would be complete) machine.

But since it was "incomplete" yet functional, and given the cumbersome nature of such items it might be more hassle than it's worth......although I've seen complete used Gamma 6000s sell on e-bay for $400-$600.

Just checked e-bay and there's a Winn Pro model WN 1000 (item #310189492926) that's very similar to the Gamma 4000/6000 up right now. Curious to see if it sells.......
 
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