Non-Cat Lovers....Please unite

Zara

Legend
Zara, it is likely that there is as much difference in intelligence and personality in cats and dogs as in humans. I sort of half married into a cat family. My wife had a Siamese, a tiny female, that that cat lived to age 21. She would go from room to room to be with anyone who was sick. She went totally blind and we did not know it until a vet told us, because she was so proud and intelligent that she continued to get around our place by feel and smell. Never missed the cat box, still slept next to my wife's pillow.

I had a big black cat named Monster who loved people, and I lost count of how many people said, "I don't like cats, but I like THIS one." He loved food and would try anything. He would cuddle up with anyone and came to my whistle.

Then I had a cat many years ago that I brought in because of a hurricane. He never left and he slept by my side as long as he lived. If I played the the piano too long, he left a turd under the bench.

Remember, there are genius animals.


I think this dog was smarter than some of the people I've tried to teach. I'm not fully kidding.
But animals have their own instincts, right? At least that was what intended by the nature. I am sure there are lots of big cats and other animals in the jungle that go blind as well and work their way out using other senses. I find it to be all quite natural. We just get blown away by it because we don't expect this from them or not aware in the first place.

I have noticed that cat lovers (mostly because dogs probably don't do 'cute and dumb' stuff) do love to talk about their cats a great deal. Like my friend at work who owns 3 cats - she's always very keen showing me their pictures and their latest dramas etc. more so than her own little daughter. And quite frankly, I don't find much interest in it but I play along so not to hurt her feelings. There's no attempt to offend anyone here; I am just making a genuine observation based on what I see. And I say this because I feel animal lovers, in particulate cat lovers, are probably more attached to their cats than their own children or other humans (not in all cases of course). And perhaps that's because they feel their pet animals provide them more love and affection than humans etc.

Oh and I don't doubt that there might be a few geniuses in animals too given that everything is part of the same evaluation process and a few of them might be evolving at a faster rate.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
And I say this because I feel animal lovers, in particulate cat lovers, are probably more attached to their cats than their own children or other humans (not in all cases of course).
You are making some pretty big assumptions here, and there is a big spread between "animal haters" and "animal lovers". We have a cat right now, and my vote was NO CAT. I was outvoted. But I do like the cat. Am I an animal lover? A cat lover? Do I love this cat more than people? Than my own family? More than other humans?

No. ;)
 

Zara

Legend
I own two rescued street cats.
And yet, i absolutely hate them. i hate the cat hairs all over the entire universe (can't wear black anymore), I hate the noises they make, I hate the way they stumble around like drunks and bump into you, i the way they're awake at the crack of dawn, the way they always try to get into every room in the house, everything.
My 13 year old niece has recently adopted a cat and now, she wants another one and her dad is really upset about it because my niece keeps her door tightly closed so that the cat wouldn't wake her up too early in the morning. So the cat goes and wakes my brother up and as he travels a lot, whenever he's home, he prefers to get as much sleep as possible. He keeps his door closed too but the cat tends to scratches the door and it wakes him up. The only thing my niece does is she dresses the cat up and posts pictures everywhere.

As to wearing black, I know another person at work who wears black all the time. I definitely think black is her colour as she wears almost every day and as she has a few cats as well, she's almost always covered with cat hair that are very visible. And I bet so is her house. I think she has dogs too and they too tend to shed hairs a lot.

I was recently dragged into a house as one of my friends is trying to buy it so she wanted to get a few reno ideas but my God, every corner of the house had cat's pee and the odor was just too much for me to just stand there and come up with any kind of ideas.
 

Zara

Legend
You are making some pretty big assumptions here, and there is a big spread between "animal haters" and "animal lovers". We have a cat right now, and my vote was NO CAT. I was outvoted. But I do like the cat. Am I an animal lover? A cat lover? Do I love this cat more than people? Than my own family? More than other humans?

No. ;)
Maybe the assumption is big and not as fair, but I do think things vary from person to person. I can give you examples where cats were more loved etc. but no need to go there.

I love animals btw and would love to have dogs, chickens, goats (lol), cows or even cats roaming around outside the house and yet, have their own places. Pet animals are mostly benign. I haven't done any research but I don't think cats were meant to be pet animals as they are also predators unlike the ones I've mentioned.
 

Zara

Legend
For a single woman like me who lives in a condo in a big city, I most certainly prefer a dog than a cat. While cats are cute (and not cuter), for safety purpose, I'd rather have a dog. I also feel they ooze innocence and beauty - two things that I really dig but also, they are good for health as they are far more active and will make you walk especially in the morning. They just seem to be the ideal company for human beings. We are made for each other!!

Humma, Humma Rich!
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
For a single woman like me who lives in a condo in a big city, I most certainly prefer a dog than a cat. While cats are cute (and not cuter), for safety purpose, I'd rather have a dog. I also feel they ooze innocence and beauty - two things that I really dig but also, they are good for health as they are far more active and will make you walk especially in the morning. They just seem to be the ideal company for human beings. We are made for each other!!

Humma, Humma Rich!
Are you saying I can’t take my cat for a walk??!!
:cool:
 

Zara

Legend
You are making some pretty big assumptions here, and there is a big spread between "animal haters" and "animal lovers". We have a cat right now, and my vote was NO CAT. I was outvoted. But I do like the cat. Am I an animal lover? A cat lover? Do I love this cat more than people? Than my own family? More than other humans?

No. ;)
Sorry forgot to ask but why did you vote NO CAT though? After all you enjoyed the cats you had. I get it when it comes to dogs as they are more work but why no cat?
 

Born_to_slice

Professional
My 13 year old niece has recently adopted a cat and now, she wants another one and her dad is really upset about it because my niece keeps her door tightly closed so that the cat wouldn't wake her up too early in the morning. So the cat goes and wakes my brother up and as he travels a lot, whenever he's home, he prefers to get as much sleep as possible. He keeps his door closed too but the cat tends to scratches the door and it wakes him up. The only thing my niece does is she dresses the cat up and posts pictures everywhere.
Sounds like a nightmare...for the cat.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
They just seem to be the ideal company for human beings. We are made for each other!!
Not clear the dogs always feel that way. Interesting data widely reported in the scientific and popular press about 3 years ago suggesting that dogs show numerous signs of stress and displeasure when hugged by humans.
 

Zara

Legend
Not clear the dogs always feel that way. Interesting data widely reported in the scientific and popular press about 3 years ago suggesting that dogs show numerous signs of stress and displeasure when hugged by humans.
We see various uses of dogs - there are trained dogs that help blind people (I think those are not supposed to be touched); there are watch dogs and police force use dogs as well. Quite obviously dogs are far more useful than cats can ever imagine.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Sorry forgot to ask but why did you vote NO CAT though? After all you enjoyed the cats you had. I get it when it comes to dogs as they are more work but why no cat?
Because we have a small place made for a max of 4 people, and there are often 6 here. Wife, step son, 3 grands plus me. A cat involves hair, a litter box, care, worry. I didn't want any of it. But they brought in a stray right before Dorian.

He is apparently a Bombay cat. He was abandoned, and the kids started feeding him and petting him. He's little more than a kitten though at this point probably close to full grown. If I tried to kick him out I'd be killed. ;)
 

Zara

Legend
Cat needs other cats. Doesn't need outfits.
I don't think cats always prefer their own kinds. I have read stories about it. Cats posses more human like characters than any other animals I'd say. Can be territorial, possessive, manipulative, self-centered, lazy etc.

In fact, it says, humans tend to come back as cats to redeem themselves so quite obviously they still carry some of those negative traits. lmho!

And if you find yourself taking care of some cats then perhaps these are your relatives whom you owe a bit. lol
 

Born_to_slice

Professional
I don't think cats always prefer their own kinds. I have read stories about it. Cats posses more human like characters than any other animals I'd say. Can be territorial, possessive, manipulative, self-centered, lazy etc.

In fact, it says, humans tend to come back as cats to redeem themselves so quite obviously they still carry some of those negative traits. lmho!

And if you find yourself taking care of some cats then perhaps these are your relatives whom you owe a bit. lol
There's a colony of cats just outside my house (in a park). About 30 of them. Some neighbors built them little wooden houses and feed them every single day. They live in a pack, like lions, so social life is very obvious. In the Winter they press their bodies together to keep warm, it looks ridiculous.

If someone keeps a cat in a flat, they usually neuter them. After that, cats lose their mating drive and become much less territorial.
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
See the difference is - if you had a dog, it would take you for a walk and not the other way. Now how cool is that? :cool:

And what have you got against dogs? Why do you not have a dog? I demand to know!
But with the cat, if I were to take it for a walk, I’d have to follow it and end up climbing over fences and top of trees myself. Now how cool is that??

Dogs are great. Cats are too cute. They’re fluffy toys that have come to life. Every childhood dream
I mean cmon...
 

Zara

Legend
But with the cat, if I were to take it for a walk, I’d have to follow it and end up climbing over fences and top of trees myself. Now how cool is that??

Dogs are great. Cats are too cute. They’re fluffy toys that have come to life. Every childhood dream
I mean cmon...
And so you have a thing for cuteness. I get it. :p

I do enjoy taking pictures of animals a great deal. Was supposed to take trip to the African Lion safari this summer with my big cameras and lenses and what not but it never materialized. :( Next year I suppose...
 
I consider myself a dog and cat person, though I do seem to be a cat whisperer, making even the most maligned cats want to come up to me for a pet or attention.


They're less needy than dogs, more self sufficient, and all around easier to take care of. Like dogs there are good ones and bad ones.

You can easily plan around being outside of the house with a cat, but much less so with a dog.

They get rid of annoying bugs and take up much less of the bed than doggos.

My cat is a cuddler for sure. He will play fetch. He loves laser pointers like all cats do, and strings. And bags. And treats. He will respond to his name, when it suits him.
 
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Zara

Legend
There's a colony of cats just outside my house (in a park). About 30 of them. Some neighbors built them little wooden houses and feed them every single day. They live in a pack, like lions, so social life is very obvious. In the Winter they press their bodies together to keep warm, it looks ridiculous.

If someone keeps a cat in a flat, they usually neuter them. After that, cats lose their mating drive and become much less territorial.
All animals have natural instincts to survive. They say that cats most ancient ancestors lived 40/50 million years ago and was later domesticated by the ancient Egyptian about 4000 years ago for the purpose of killing the rodents. As we are superior beings than the rest of the animals, we have tamed many animals to fulfill our own needs primarily. Some we eat, some we use while some others are now our toys.
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
And so you have a thing for cuteness. I get it. :p

I do enjoy taking pictures of animals a great deal. Was supposed to take trip to the African Lion safari this summer with my big cameras and lenses and what not but it never materialized. :( Next year I suppose...
Is it something you’re committed to doing? Perhaps make an album? If so, what are the chances of you travelling to the poles to capture some pictures?
 

Born_to_slice

Professional
All animals have natural instincts to survive. They say that cats most ancient ancestors lived 40/50 million years ago and was later domesticated by the ancient Egyptian about 4000 years ago for the purpose of killing the rodents. As we are superior beings than the rest of the animals, we have tamed many animals to fulfill our own needs primarily. Some we eat, some we use while some others are now our toys.
Hmm, Ancient Egypt (and their relations with cats) is much older than mere 4000 years. They worshiped the cat and several gods were depicted with cat heads, like Bastet:

There are even writings in which cat represents Ra, the ultimate sun god. Also, much more than killing rodents, cats were respected for being snake hunters.
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
But with the cat, if I were to take it for a walk, I’d have to follow it and end up climbing over fences and top of trees myself. Now how cool is that??

Dogs are great. Cats are too cute. They’re fluffy toys that have come to life. Every childhood dream
I mean cmon...
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Cat appreciation society members unite! Big cats count too!

If you have 45 minutes to spare sometime and you need a heart tug, here’s the goods! It’s also a pretty nostalgic look back at London in its peak music/fashion era of the late 60’s.

 

Zara

Legend
Is it something you’re committed to doing? Perhaps make an album? If so, what are the chances of you travelling to the poles to capture some pictures?
I feel very committed, yes. I still have a long way to go though. And need to take a few more classes. I dream about traveling to the poles, yes but traveling alone always feels a bit unsafe. That’s the obstacle I face the most. Maybe one of these days I will have no choice but to find a reliable company.
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
I always like to eat pussies.
lololololololol man, bet dat's a very popular dish w/o social taboo...........just make sure to wash them properly b4 eating:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D..........................

actually/literally/watavaly some countries still legally/openly killing them for human consumption n even now u still can order the dishes in a lot of restaurants in sth/nth korea, taiwan/china etcetcetc.

any1 here ever being so lucky had a taste of nicely cooked cat/dog:?))...................i still remember the taste of those ~50 yrs ago. i don't think i'm the only 1 here:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p.................................
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
I feel very committed, yes. I still have a long way to go though. And need to take a few more classes. I dream about traveling to the poles, yes but traveling alone always feels a bit unsafe. That’s the obstacle I face the most. Maybe one of these days I will have no choice but to find a reliable company.
I always feel in such a hobby, you do need some sort of artistic natural ability. I’m absolutely hopeless at taking pictures. I’m always the last person in both my friend group, and my family to be elected to take pictures. I’m guessing you’ve always had that extra pizzazz that you need are are creative?
 

Zara

Legend
I always feel in such a hobby, you do need some sort of artistic natural ability. I’m absolutely hopeless at taking pictures. I’m always the last person in both my friend group, and my family to be elected to take pictures. I’m guessing you’ve always had that extra pizzazz that you need are are creative?
Well, aren’t you sweet to be so honest. I am sure you are very good at some other things. Doesn’t have to be taking pictures though, isn’t it?

There’s nothing more I enjoy than to be creative. Or at least I thrive for it and would like to start my life all over again so that I can head in the right direction. But unfortunately, I am in the corporate world where half the times I feel I don’t belong but I have to make a living too as I enjoy being independent. I do have some plans though. I think so far I just floated around but now, it’s becoming more and more clear to me as to what I truly want. And it truly happened once I let go of the idea of being in a relationship. It’s complicated I suppose.
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
Well, aren’t you sweet to be so honest. I am sure you are very good at some other things. Doesn’t have to be taking pictures though, isn’t it?

There’s nothing more I enjoy than to be creative. Or at least I thrive for it and would like to start my life all over again so that I can head in the right direction. But unfortunately, I am in the corporate world where half the times I feel I don’t belong but I have to make a living too as I enjoy being independent. I do have some plans though. I think so far I just floated around but now, it’s becoming more and more clear to me as to what I truly want. And it truly happened once I let go of the idea of being in a relationship. It’s complicated I suppose.
I guess that’s everyones dream isn’t, to do what you love. You spend 20 years of your life getting the education you need to spend the next 40 years of your life to work and earn the money you need so that you can spend the next 20 doing what you love. Do you mind me asking what made you let go the idea of a relationship? I completely respect if you feel I’m getting too close to your personal space here
 

Bartelby

Talk Tennis Guru
I belong to:

P.U.R.R.R., the Philanthropic Union for the Rescue, Relief and Recuperation of Cats.

 

GBplayer

Hall of Fame
lololololololol man, bet dat's a very popular dish w/o social taboo...........just make sure to wash them properly b4 eating:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D..........................

actually/literally/watavaly some countries still legally/openly killing them for human consumption n even now u still can order the dishes in a lot of restaurants in sth/nth korea, taiwan/china etcetcetc.

any1 here ever being so lucky had a taste of nicely cooked cat/dog:?))...................i still remember the taste of those ~50 yrs ago. i don't think i'm the only 1 here:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p.................................
Yes good hygiene is essential.

Also eaten the odd dog, but never had a hotdog yet!
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
Yes good hygiene is essential.

Also eaten the odd dog, but never had a hotdog yet!
u must be joking, man.............hotdog's everywhere n no one'd believe ya never had hotdog while living in western countries, man. anyway hotpussies'r much better than hotdogs:p:p:p:p:p:p:p........................
 

Zara

Legend
I guess that’s everyones dream isn’t, to do what you love. You spend 20 years of your life getting the education you need to spend the next 40 years of your life to work and earn the money you need so that you can spend the next 20 doing what you love. Do you mind me asking what made you let go the idea of a relationship? I completely respect if you feel I’m getting too close to your personal space here
I really don't know if it's everyone's dream but I feel a lot of them actually aren't aware or they are just not passionate about things. So they end of doing the daily grind. I do think it's ridiculous the way we've built our society. If I had kids I would have given them ample time to figure out what they truly wanted without spoiling them of course. I showed very early on signs of the things I really loved doing but my parents both wanted me to finish the typical education and get a job (more so my dad as my Mum thought I'd make a great housewife as she was one) etc. And then things happen in life where you have no control and they tend to take you from one place to another and next thing you know, you are just floating around trying to survive (not financially though that play a part too - but, mostly mentally for me at least).

No, you are not in my personal space and I don't mind sharing at all but it's just so complicated and there are just so many elements to it. I think the way I observed my mum and dad relationship (my dad cheated on my mum and yet, my mum accepted it like an obedient wife - something that I never understood as I am a very just and fair person - though that was her choice I get it) when I was a little girl played a huge part in general. I also feel I am quite intense and impatient in a relationship. I feel I want to be in one and then I go sabotage it. And also, I like my freedom very much and a relationship doesn't really give you that. It also takes up a lot of space that I am not so comfortable with as it doesn't allow creativity. I don't know if it makes any sense to you as you seem to be much more stable and consistent.
 
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