Non-Covid Rankings, revisited

James P · Jul 4, 2021

Slow day on middle Sunday, I thought I'd see where the non-covid rankings were at currently (pre-Wimbledon). Enjoy:

Name	Nation	Covid Ranking	Covid Ranking Points	Non-Covid Ranking	Non-Covid Ranking Points
Djokovic	SRB	1	12113	1	6660
Medvedev	RUS	2	10280	2	6375
Tsitsipas	GRE	4	7980	3	5565
Zverev	GER	6	7305	4	5525
Rublev	RUS	7	6120	5	5140
Nadal	ESP	3	8630	6	3700
Thiem	AUT	5	7425	7	3635
Berrettini	ITA	9	4468	8	2585
Karatsev	RUS	24	2304	9	2218
Carreno Busta	ESP	13	2905	10	1975
Sinner	ITA	23	2320	11	1885
Ruud	NOR	14	2690	12	1800
Bautista Agut	ESP	10	3125	13	1755
De Minaur	AUS	15	2690	14	1680
Hurkacz	POL	18	2533	15	1645
Raonic	CAN	22	2428	16	1595
Shapovalov	CAN	12	2915	17	1500
Norrie	GBR	34	1770	18	1493
Auger-Aliassime	CAN	19	2468	19	1480
Humbert	FRA	25	2270	20	1475
Schwartzman	ARG	11	3060	21	1460
Sonego	ITA	27	2038	22	1435
Davidovich Fokina	ESP	35	1723	23	1400
Evans	GBR	26	2151	24	1245
Struff	GER	45	1455	25	1100
Bublik	KAZ	38	1641	26	1085
Garin	CHI	20	2440	27	1080
Coric	CRO	36	1713	28	1065
Delbonis	ARG	47	1360	29	1057
Musetti	ITA	63	1106	30	1057
Korda	USA	50	1272	31	1015
Khachanov	RUS	29	1965	32	995
Fucsovics	HUN	48	1344	33	990
Goffin	BEL	16	2680	34	985
Basilashvili	GEO	28	1985	35	980
Tiafoe	USA	57	1148	36	949
Dimitrov	BUL	21	2431	37	940
Cilic	CRO	37	1660	38	930
Harris	RSA	51	1268	39	896
Djere	SRB	55	1168	40	888
Fognini	ITA	31	1868	41	870
Mannarino	FRA	41	1571	42	840
Alcaraz	ESP	75	924	43	821
Opelka	USA	32	1806	44	815
Munar	ESP	69	1009	45	777
Ramos Vinolas	ESP	39	1595	46	775
Kecmanovic	SRB	49	1309	47	775
Cecchinato	ITA	86	878	48	731
Millman	AUS	43	1521	49	725
Fritz	USA	40	1590	50	700

Deleted member 748597 · Jul 4, 2021

Mad Lad is the moral #1

itrium84 · Jul 4, 2021

Nadal got 3 positions advantage due to covid?

Third Serve · Jul 4, 2021

Medvedev is even closer to Djokovic without COVID ranking points than with them? That’s interesting.

Raul_SJ · Jul 4, 2021

Don't even know what this gibberish means.
Where the hell is Federer?
He was #8 with Covid protection rankings going into Wimbledon.

James P · Jul 4, 2021

Raul_SJ said:
Don't even know what this gibberish means.
Where the hell is Federer?
He was #8 with Covid going into Wimbledon.

Not in the top 50, neither is Monfils, Isner, and a few others.

GabeT · Jul 4, 2021

is this points from matches played in the last 12 months?

James P · Jul 4, 2021

itrium84 said:
Nadal got 3 positions advantage due to covid?

Loses 2000 USO points, 280 FO points, some others as well...

James P · Jul 4, 2021

GabeT said:
is this points from matches played in the last 12 months?

Yes. Strictly from the last 12 months.

Frylock · Jul 4, 2021

Wow the covid rankings steals a lot of player. This is so unfair for the players who improved since 2 years.

jm1980 · Jul 4, 2021

Third Serve said:
Medvedev is even closer to Djokovic without COVID ranking points than with them? That’s interesting.

Yeah, partially because Med has played 18 tournaments in the past 12 months while Djokovic has played 13, and out of those 13, 3 don't count (2020 USO 4R default, 2020 Rome title and 2020 RG final scheduling weirdness) -- so effectively Djokovic has 10 countable tournaments in this time span.

Third Serve · Jul 4, 2021

jm1980 said:
Yeah, partially because Med has played 18 tournaments in the past 12 months while Djokovic has played 13, and out of those 13, 3 don't count (2020 USO 4R default, 2020 Rome title and 2020 RG final scheduling weirdness) -- so effectively Djokovic has 10 countable tournaments in this time span.

Ah, that makes sense.

jm1980 · Jul 4, 2021

Third Serve said:
Ah, that makes sense.

There is handful of good results for Medvedev that make up a large chunk of these points though: USO SF (720), Paris W (1000), Tour Finals W (1500), AO SF (1200) = 4420 which is 69% of Med's non-COVID points

D.Nalby12 · Jul 4, 2021

There was no point in extending covid ranking in 2021. It helped Federer in his comeback though.

Bartelby · Jul 4, 2021

So what would Federer's ranking be if he were eligible for a protected ranking in normal times or does that not apply?

MichaelNadal · Jul 4, 2021

Bartelby said:
So what would Federer's ranking be if he were eligible for a protected ranking in normal times or does that not apply?

860

James P · Jul 4, 2021

Bartelby said:
So what would Federer's ranking be if he were eligible for a protected ranking in normal times or does that not apply?

His protected ranking would be high, like 5 or something like that. But, he wouldn't be seeded, because his actual ranking would be over 100.

Jai · Jul 4, 2021

Wow. And still there will be some who will claim Novak's No.1 weeks records "should carry an asterisk".

Tennisfan339 · Jul 4, 2021

I know the question was probably already asked, but how will YE#1 be attributed in 2021?
Is it based on the ATP race at the end of the year (currently : Djokovic, Tsitsipas, Rublev) or on the official ATP Covid Ranking (Djokovic Medvedev Nadal)?

If (for instance) Djokovic is still #1 after the WTF thanks to the covid ranking, but Tsitsipas or Medvedev total more points in the Race (2021 points only), then who gets YE#1?

I keep reading different versions on different websites and it confuses me. Thanks.

other question, when (precisely) will the ranking system get back to normal? On some sites they say Canada... on others they say Cincinnati. Why would the players still keep 50% of their 2019 points in Toronto, but not in Cincinnati?

socallefty · Jul 4, 2021

The non-COVID rankings seem to be a better representation of how much in form the top players are currently. You wouldn’t do too good predicting matches if you used the COVID rankings.

Milanez82 · Jul 4, 2021

Tennisfan339 said:
I know the question was probably already asked, but how will YE#1 be attributed in 2021?
Is it based on the ATP race at the end of the year (currently : Djokovic, Tsitsipas, Rublev) or on the official ATP Covid Ranking (Djokovic Medvedev Nadal)?

If (for instance) Djokovic is still #1 after the WTF thanks to the covid ranking, but Tsitsipas or Medvedev total more points in the Race (2021 points only), then who gets YE#1?

I keep reading different versions on different websites and it confuses me. Thanks.

other question, when (precisely) will the ranking system get back to normal? On some sites they say Canada... on others they say Cincinnati. Why would the players still keep 50% of their 2019 points in Toronto, but not in Cincinnati?

Year end no 1 will be determined by the points from 2021 only

Dominic & Andrey · Jul 4, 2021

One pattern I see is that a lot of Next Gen guys really see their progression being slowed down considerably : Sinner, Korda, Musetti, Fokina, Alcaraz. And Karatsev, who would be in the top 10 lol. Very frustrating for those players. When the Covid ranking will end there will be a revolution happening out there, looking forward to witness that

phl92 · Jul 5, 2021

Would Fed play Challengers with his points

MadariKatu · Jul 5, 2021

phl92 said:
Would Fed play Challengers with his points

No, he'd have protected ranking, which would allow him to enter the main draw of big tournaments. Would have had a different draw, but he would've played the same tournaments he has.

jm1980 · Jul 5, 2021

MadariKatu said:
No, he'd have protected ranking, which would allow him to enter the main draw of big tournaments. Would have had a different draw, but he would've played the same tournaments he has.

And it's not like he wouldn't get wildcards to any tournament he wanted to enter anyway

BGod · Jul 5, 2021

Well 1st round Fed/Novak match would have been fun.

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