non-poly, non−gut mains/smooth poly crosses review thread

Anyone have experience with Solinco X Natural and Velocity?

Just strung up X-Natural / Hawk Rough and it reminded me a lot Velocity when stringing. Same smell, same touch on the coating/string, both made in taiwan.
 
Looking for advice. Have been loving Triax 1.33 mains and Ghostwire 1.22 crosses in percept 100d at 48/46. However after about 6 hours the mains have stopped sliding. I'm not sure if its the triax or the Ghostwire but the Triax appears (based on notching to have a decent amount of life left. So, I am looking for advice on a cross that will retain the snapback longer. For now, I am not considering sync or wasabi x because where I live the cost of these strings is too much. So others I am considering trying are: Polytour Fire, RPM Rough, and Revolve. If anyone has experience with those with Triax mains I would to hear about it. Also, if anyone has experience on the different colors of RPM and Revolve and whether that impacts snapback duration I would appreciate being educated.
 
Looking for advice. Have been loving Triax 1.33 mains and Ghostwire 1.22 crosses in percept 100d at 48/46. However after about 6 hours the mains have stopped sliding. I'm not sure if its the triax or the Ghostwire but the Triax appears (based on notching to have a decent amount of life left. So, I am looking for advice on a cross that will retain the snapback longer. For now, I am not considering sync or wasabi x because where I live the cost of these strings is too much. So others I am considering trying are: Polytour Fire, RPM Rough, and Revolve. If anyone has experience with those with Triax mains I would to hear about it. Also, if anyone has experience on the different colors of RPM and Revolve and whether that impacts snapback duration I would appreciate being educated.
If you wanted to keep the cross relatively soft, give MSV Swift a try. Triax keeps sliding with it very long for me (although I'm not hard on strings - also, I mostly use Triax 1.28 in 18x20).
I will try Outlast 1.15 and Hawk 1.20 eventually (already tried Hawk Touch 1.20 in the past, it felt really nice, but snapback gradually decreased with that).
Also, there's something you can try with your current setup: displace the crosses, clean the stringbed with a damp cloth, let it dry, then apply some coconut oil on it. It might help a bit temporarily. Tbh it is much more effective with natural gut mains.
 
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If you wanted to keep the cross relatively soft, give MSV Swift a try. Triax keeps sliding with it very long for me (although I'm not hard on strings - also, I mostly use Triax 1.28 in 18x20).
I will try Outlast 1.15 and Hawk 1.20 eventually (already tried Hawk Touch 1.20 in the past, it felt really nice, but snapback gradually decreased with that).
Also, there's something you can try with your current setup: displace the crosses, clean the stringbed with a damp cloth, let it dry, then apply some coconut oil on it. It might help a bit temporarily. Tbh it is much more effective with natural gut mains.
Thanks for the reply. I don't think Swift is the path forward. I have a reel of it. My experience of it as a cross is that is gummier than ghostwire, flattens out like a ribbon and breaks quicker. I think its too soft of a material. Having said that my experience with it has been with a stiffer shaped poly in the mains; maybe it will be better with a softer main like triax. I have tried wiping the strings down (which does help) but haven't tried the coconut oil. I have just ordered some polytour fire to try out
 
Thanks for the reply. I don't think Swift is the path forward. I have a reel of it. My experience of it as a cross is that is gummier than ghostwire, flattens out like a ribbon and breaks quicker. I think its too soft of a material. Having said that my experience with it has been with a stiffer shaped poly in the mains; maybe it will be better with a softer main like triax. I have tried wiping the strings down (which does help) but haven't tried the coconut oil. I have just ordered some polytour fire to try out
I had the same experience with Swift with Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex as the main
 
@gvsbdisco Poly tour fire cross with triax mains kept sliding until I cut it out after about 10 hours. Would recommend it if you find a good deal. The standard price is a bit much imo. I haven't tried the others but revolve is one that intrigues me based on twu numbers
 
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A revisit review:

Tecnifibre Multifeel Black 1.30 mains / Restring Sync 1.25 crosses (@58/54 lbs lockout, so ~55/51 constant pull, in a Srixon Revo CZ 98D, spec'd at 338g/31.5cm/328sw/20.6mgr/i/172rw)
with Babolat Elastocrosses, in a 50%-density on every cross and every other main, crosses 4 through 9, with 6-7 having the widest dispersion of mains coverage (click to enlarge):

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Excellent initial 2-hour session with this combo this morning. Probably the best overall performing non-poly/poly hybrid I've played so far in the CZ 98D, which is a firm, crisp, fairly raw, semi-open 98" 16x19 spin/power tweener. The tension on this feels just about right for the summer heat, maybe still 1 pound too low, but it was still very playable. Had great grip with the MFB mains, and excellent snapback-based spin with the MFB mains sliding pretty viciously across the Sync crosses, with full snapback never in question, and never having to adjust any strings back into their place the entire session. Sync 1.25 is noticeably beefier than Sync 1.20 in terms of its control-to-tension ratio, and is well tempered against the power of most medium-or-higher powered frames. But it has just enough give to also lend just enough pocketing and comfort to the average setup. Add in its level of slickness, which I would say is right up there with Wasabi-X, maybe just a smidgeon less, plus a nicer balance of crisp-vs-muted feel, and it has to be one of the best hybrid crosses of anything I've ever tried. Probably usable in more frames than maybe anything else out there. It's that good. It also makes an especially nice pairing with MFB mains, which being fairly tempered in power themselves, don't need an ultra-low-powered or too firm a poly cross, and Sync is a nice fit, being more on the medium side of power and control.

As for durability, I think the elastocrosses may help significantly with longevity, as notching is only perhaps 5-10% in the worst spots after 2 hours, which is already probably 10-20% better than not having them – and that's with only half of a full density of elastocrosses. Here's the wear pattern so far (with ellastrocross crosses pulled up to show mains wear). Very slight overall (click to enlarge):

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I will keep you posted as to how playability progresses on this setup, but so far, so good!
 
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Update on MFB 1.30 / Sync 1.25 - Hours 3 and 4. Played EXTREMELY nice during yesterday's hitting session, with complete consistency and zero drop off in playability. I had pretty much everything I wanted: medium pocketing, nice controlled pop, excellent snapback and spin application (like, as good if not better than most any full-poly setup, shaped Toroline stuff included, as long as RHS was medium or higher). Very modulate-able depth and launch angle control, providing a nice smooth gradient along which to apply more rounded trajectories with more biting spin, or flatter, more penetrating drives with more through-the-court skidding action. The tension of 58/54 lockout felt just about right for this fairly high-powered 98 16x19 and moderate summer heat (~75-80F for most of the session).

Also a note on durability: the elastocrosses are definitely make a difference, notching is only 5-15% at the most on strings with elastocrosses. Additionally, I have noticed that installing string savers does ever-so-slightly firm up the string bed in/around the installation area (from the tiny bit of extra stretching that they add). That said, my 50% density approach worked well enough towards the outside of the strike zone, but in the very middle (center-most 4-6 mains on crosses 6 and 7), intersections without elastrocrosses were wearing almost as much as a setup without any, so I went to 100% density in that area (now a total of 32 elastrocrosses used), and now the full pattern looks like this (click to enlarge):

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Will have another 2-ish hour hit tomorrow (will be hours 5 and 6). If I can clear a dozen hours or so with little to zero playability drop, I'll seriously be considering this setup as my go-to for this frame. Outstanding across the board so far. Fingers crossed.
 
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I finally broke the Triax/WasX after about 11 hours of play. Played great until breakage. Was predictable and the snapback lasted the entire time. By the end I actually got over the muted feel and enjoyed it. I'm also quite happy with how long it lasted. Definitely one to revisit.

Also played some more with Triax/KMP in my other racquet. Probably around 6 hours now. Notching is about 50% on the mains. As expected snapback is starting to diminish slighty but its still playing quite well. Power has also dropped a little bit.

Given my enjoyment with WasX I'm considering trialling Gosen G-Tour 3 as a cross. I understand its a bit softer and also on the muted side. Perhaps I'd need to up the tension a few pounds.
I'll echo GT3 being muted but very comfortable in both colors and gauges. Very happy with it until the costing wears off... may not last as long as wasabi did for you.

Currently testing PLP/GT3 at 54/50 lbs (cp) in a Tfight 300s. PLP is probably the slickness non-poly I've tried, but feels too powerful in this frame. May work in my 18 main stick? Will go back to triax or velocity mains for this one.
 
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Out of curiosity from this thread, I tried Triax in the mains, and PTP in the crosses - a flip of my normal hybrid set up.

Triax notched immediately, but played well. Broke after 45 min of hitting.

Back to PTP in the mains, and Triax as the cross string....
 
@PFG1 - Just curious, in what racquet, and if you know it, what was the strung spec?
Pure Strike 98 16x19 (white and orange cosmetic, not the "new" silver one)

Unstrung they are both 307g static/303 swing, 33cm balance. Had them matched and weighted up a bit.
 
@PFG1 - Gotcha, thanks. With 303sw unstrung, I would guess ~330sw strung (~27sw points from the hybrid)? A fair amount of bludgeoning force there, so not entirely surprised Triax/PTP broke the Triax mains so quickly. And I would have to presume you've also got pretty decent RHS as well.
 
Anyone ever tried synthetic gut mains and rpm team cross? I like the rpm string but it’s too stiff as a full bed. Will this work well do we think?
 
Another update. So, I left PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20 (@ 56/49 lockout) in the other frame for a few more hits, just to see how it would feel and perform generally. Didn't really snapback at all, but the feel was wonderfully crisp and I really liked how light the string bed felt, while still have flattening/pancaking effect and control from Bussard crosses. Had an excellent blend of controlled power and I think I'm learning that I prefer to mix main and cross combo's that are spread further apart in power profile, meaning higher-powered non-poly/non-gut mains with lower-powered poly crosses. So this worked well. Had a very Walmart gut/Alu playability to it, but what it did have held up with pretty much zero drop off, at least until I cut it at 4 hours, as I could tell it was going to go in another 2-3 (PLP center mains in the sweet spot were probably notched 50-75%, and that was with 25% density string savers, but they weren't nearly enough – need them at 100% density to really make a difference). Overall, though, not bad. Might revisit in the future.

Now onto PLP 1.25 / Dunlop Explosive Speed Black 1.25 @ 56/49 lockout, with a 100% string-saver pattern on crosses #4 through 10, with # of mains per cross: 6, 8, 10, 8, 8, 6, 4 – 50 string savers total). Already seems like it may offer better snapback. We'll see tomorrow AM. (click to enlarge):

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Took Triax 1.33, Enso Pro 1.27 (Matcha) at 50/47 out last night and my first impressions are good. Crisp feel, decent spin, a bit more pop than my usual (M8).

I only have one Whiteout V2 otherwise I’d test with Sync 1.25 alongside it, but I think I may prefer the feel of EP — I’ll try Sync next. EP 1.27 feels slightly stiffer than Sync in the hand, and it’s a lot stiffer than the other gauges of EP.
 
Another update. So, I left PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20 (@ 56/49 lockout) in the other frame for a few more hits, just to see how it would feel and perform generally. Didn't really snapback at all, but the feel was wonderfully crisp and I really liked how light the string bed felt, while still have flattening/pancaking effect and control from Bussard crosses. Had an excellent blend of controlled power and I think I'm learning that I prefer to mix main and cross combo's that are spread further apart in power profile, meaning higher-powered non-poly/non-gut mains with lower-powered poly crosses. So this worked well. Had a very Walmart gut/Alu playability to it, but what it did have held up with pretty much zero drop off, at least until I cut it at 4 hours, as I could tell it was going to go in another 2-3 (PLP center mains in the sweet spot were probably notched 50-75%, and that was with 25% density string savers, but they weren't nearly enough – need them at 100% density to really make a difference). Overall, though, not bad. Might revisit in the future.

Now onto PLP 1.25 / Dunlop Explosive Speed Black 1.25 @ 56/49 lockout, with a 100% string-saver pattern on crosses #4 through 10, with # of mains per cross: 6, 8, 10, 8, 8, 6, 4 – 50 string savers total). Already seems like it may offer better snapback. We'll see tomorrow AM. (click to enlarge):

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Nice to see others experimenting with the lower powered stiffer poly crosses in these setups. I never did get good results with soft poly crosses. I will be stringing up and playing PLP/Hawk this weekend. Should be a good comparison to PLP/Max Power.
 
PLP Black 1.25 / Dunlop Explosive Speed Black 1.25 (@56/49 lockout in a Revo CZ 98D, spec'd at 335/31.5/327) - 2 hours played. The main take-away: wow is DES a dead string. Like, almost lifeless. The first hour was pretty rough. The combo had very little easy pop on any shot whatsoever, and way less off-center forgiveness than the previous PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20 combo at the same tension. And comfort was questionable as well, with my all of my arm tissues feeling it more so than usual after this session. Additionally, with the thicker and near-lifeless cross, launch angle was excruciatingly low, as was evidenced by me dumping a ton of lower-level pickups off of both wings in to the net, many of the type that I easily was able to curl up and over with PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20. Finally, after about 60-75 minutes of decently hard 4.0-level hitting, the string bed started to open up, as DES started to relax ever-so-slightly, and I was getting marginally better depth on non-offensive shots (blocked serve returns, defensive groundies, etc). That said, upsides were the sheer amount of control and consistency, evidenced by no better example than my second serve percentage, with zero double-faults in the entire first set. All of that considered, I was of a high mind to cut this job after just the first session, but that goes against my principle of giving something at least two tries, so my hope is that it opens up even more before my next hit. Will be back with another update on this one soon, and a full review after a few sessions.



@tele - Going forward, in an effort to make the thread more usable/searchable as it grows, what if we were to index a list of links to the more complete and/or "final" review posts for all these combo's, at the bottom of your original post? Example format:

Multifilament Mains
- Diadem Impulse Natural 1.25 / MSV Bussard 1.20 (by @Trip)
- ......

Syn-Gut Mains
- ......

Partial-Poly Mains
- ......


To remove most of the effort/time burden from you, I could draft the list (will use ChatGPT 5 if possible) and refresh it periodically, sending the fully-formatted output to you via PM, and all you'd have to do then overwrite it into your OP via copy/paste.

Just a thought to help formalize what we've put together a bit better. What do you think?
 
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PLP Black 1.25 / Dunlop Explosive Speed Black 1.25 (@56/49 lockout in a Revo CZ 98D, spec'd at 335/31.5/327) - 2 hours played. The main take-away: wow is DES a dead string. Like, almost lifeless. The first hour was pretty rough. The combo had very little easy pop on any shot whatsoever, and way less off-center forgiveness than the previous PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20 combo at the same tension. And comfort was questionable as well, with my all of my arm tissues feeling it more so than usual after this session. Additionally, with the thicker and near-lifeless cross, launch angle was excruciatingly low, as was evidenced by me dumping a ton of lower-level pickups off of both wings in to the net, many of the type that I easily was able to curl up and over with PLP 1.25 / Bussard 1.20. Finally, after about 60-75 minutes of decently hard 4.0-level hitting, the string bed started to open up, as DES started to relax ever-so-slightly, and I was getting marginally better depth on non-offensive shots (blocked serve returns, defensive groundies, etc). That said, upsides were the sheer amount of control and consistency, evidenced by no better example than my second serve percentage, with zero double-faults in the entire first set. All of that considered, I was of a high mind to cut this job after just the first session, but that goes against my principle of giving something at least two tries, so my hope is that it opens up even more before my next hit. Will be back with another update on this one soon, and a full review after a few sessions.



@tele - Going forward, in an effort to make the thread more usable/searchable as it grows, what if we were to index a list of links to the more complete and/or "final" review posts for all these combo's, at the bottom of your original post? Example format:

Multifilament Mains
- Diadem Impulse Natural 1.25 / MSV Bussard 1.20 (by @Trip)
- ......

Syn-Gut Mains
- ......

Partial-Poly Mains
- ......


To removal almost all of the effort/time burden, I could draft the list (will use ChatGPT 5 if possible) and refresh it periodically, sending the fully-formatted output to you via PM, and all you'd have to do then overwrite it into your OP via copy/paste.

Just a thought to help formalize what we've put together a bit better. What do you think?
@Trip, adding review links to the beginning of the thread is a great idea.

regarding the categories, I think sticking to multi and syn gut as the two mains categories might keep things simpler for now because there are both multis and syn guts with poly in them, and there are other materials like kevlar, zyex, and polyolefin that some multis and syn guts have, and those can also affect string chatacteristics.

btw, I am busy through the weekend, so my responses might be a little delayed.
 
regarding the categories, I think sticking to multi and syn gut as the two mains categories might keep things simpler for now because there are both multis and syn guts with poly in them, and there are other materials like kevlar, zyex, and polyolefin that some multis and syn guts have, and those can also affect string chatacteristics.
Very good point, and probably better to K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid), at least for starters.

No worries on slow replies. That will give me time to draft up a list, which I'll PM to you by the time you free up again.
 
I will be stringing up and playing PLP/Hawk this weekend.
Really looking forward to your thoughts on this combo. If I may offer a tip on tension: make sure you pull PLP mains at high enough tension to adequately spring-load them, to keep snapback as voracious as possible, and keep the Hawk cross tension low enough to not impeed that snap too much. I would base your combo's tension first off of whatever reference tension you need to keep PLP snappy, then perhaps do Hawk crosses 5-ish pounds or so lower than that, maybe even a hair lower.
 
I used Solinco tour Bite Sol Confidentale-no difference

Velocity/MSV Focus(Alu power) hybrids-no difference

Faceted(RPM) round(Alu Power)-better than others

To spin, play with a hard, powerful racket-large launch angle +SPIN TECHNICIAN
 
Really looking forward to your thoughts on this combo. If I may offer a tip on tension: make sure you pull PLP mains at high enough tension to adequately spring-load them, to keep snapback as voracious as possible, and keep the Hawk cross tension low enough to not impeed that snap too much. I would base your combo's tension first off of whatever reference tension you need to keep PLP snappy, then perhaps do Hawk crosses 5-ish pounds or so lower than that, maybe even a hair lower.
I have been playing multi/poly setups with stiff poly crosses and advocating for them with higher differentials on this forum for years now and I don’t think many people tried it back then so it’s nice to see others testing it out.
 
I had a little time this morning, so I started inserting links into the first post. It may me a few days before I have made it through the entire thread to add the links, so to anyone who has written a review please be patient if you don't see your review there. To keep things simple, I am not going to add reviews that are just a few words long. I also noticed that some reviews (including my own) have updates that appear later in the thread. For these, I am going to link to the first post. If you(speaking to any reviewer here) would like your full review, including updates, to be easy to read, please either copy and paste the updates into the original post or add links to the updates in the original post.
 
It seems Diadem sneakily launched a new multi called Dark Matter. Polyamide coating. Sounds interesting. I should be getting some soon.
 
Well, I'm back in the club. After a year or so absence playing with a multi, I hit a spell where I played like crap. In desperation, I went back to synthetic gut mains (currently Dunlop S-Gut 1.25) and poly (Yonex PTP 1.15). Why Dunlop S-Gut? I had some on hand in blue and yellow which matches the PTP :). No ill effects on the wrist, and my play is back up a couple of notches. I strung one at 52/48 and the other at 52/52. I played with the 52/52 yesterday and really liked the solid feel. I'm supposed to play again today, weather permitting, and will use the 52/48.
Once I use up my Dunlop S-Gut, I'm going to try the Head Synthetic Gut.
 
update on taa/tpp.

I have not been able to play much tennis in the past few weeks but managed to squeeze in a few hours of doubles. I am about 7-8 hours in, I think, and although the mains(notched about halfway through) are still mostly going back into place, string to string friction has increased, with some mains not sliding all the way back. The stringbed also feels duller(noticeable from 5 or 6 hours in), but not mushy. Comfort is still fine, but I am noticing more balls launching, so I am going to cut it out and put hdmx in. I am eventually going to try taa in my ats tour 98 (paired with black phantom touch) , as I think taa's sensation, at least for the first several hours, would complement that racquet well. Overall, I think taa is a good choice for someone wanting a syn gut performance but with a firmer, less rubbery feel.

I found some biphase on sale, so I snagged a pack and plan to try it sometime this fall.
 
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Well, I'm back in the club. After a year or so absence playing with a multi, I hit a spell where I played like crap. In desperation, I went back to synthetic gut mains (currently Dunlop S-Gut 1.25) and poly (Yonex PTP 1.15). Why Dunlop S-Gut? I had some on hand in blue and yellow which matches the PTP :). No ill effects on the wrist, and my play is back up a couple of notches. I strung one at 52/48 and the other at 52/52. I played with the 52/52 yesterday and really liked the solid feel. I'm supposed to play again today, weather permitting, and will use the 52/48.
Once I use up my Dunlop S-Gut, I'm going to try the Head Synthetic Gut.
Very interesting, Rabbit. Aside from a more solid feel, and I can only presume a higher level of control from the firmer crosses, how else do you like syn-gut/poly more than full-bed Rexis Speed (which you were playing previously for quite some time)?
 
Very interesting, Rabbit. Aside from a more solid feel, and I can only presume a higher level of control from the firmer crosses, how else do you like syn-gut/poly more than full-bed Rexis Speed (which you were playing previously for quite some time)?
Yes, you do get more control. Synthetic gut just has a solid feel that I've grown accustomed to. While Rexis is uber comfortable, something happened to un-gel me with it. I think it was my carousel of frames a few months ago. Synthetic gut/thin poly breaks where I wasn't breaking Rexis, just restringing when it got notched about halfway through. Who knows, it may have been I left it in too long. And, there's no guarantee that I won't go back to it in the future.... I wish I could settle :)
 
Synthetic gut just has a solid feel that I've grown accustomed to.
Indeed. I have a good amount of imprinting myself, having learned at 7-10 yrs old with a Prince Synergy Lite OS + full-bed PSGD at ~60 lbs. Something about having at least 1/2 a bed being syn gut just feels "right".

While Rexis is uber comfortable, something happened to un-gel me with it. I think it was my carousel of frames a few months ago.
That can definitely happen.

Synthetic gut/thin poly breaks where I wasn't breaking Rexis, just restringing when it got notched about halfway through. Who knows, it may have been I left it in too long. And, there's no guarantee that I won't go back to it in the future.... I wish I could settle :)
Well, at least you now have a collective "support group" in this thread to trade experiences with, in perhaps helping to find the best setup for you. We're trying to push the limits in what can be attained with a non/partial poly main / poly cross, and some of these combo's are really good.
 
Haven’t laced it up yet and probably will do a hybrid with either sync crosses or Bussard crosses.
For the sake of Dark Matter's snapback and physical longevity, I'd go Sync 1.25. Bussard, while having arguably better feel than Sync (if you value crisp-ness at least), does have higher surface friction (especially when serving as a sliding surface to most synthetics) and higher surface hardness, so I think it will cut through DM noticeably faster.
 
Played PLP/Hawk compared to PLP/Max power same tensions. Hawk had slightly more top end spin the first hour that leveled out with max power after, slightly more pop, less crisp. Difference was marginal, but I did notice hawk crosses moving out of place sooner after about 4 hours compared to around 6 hours for max power. Both strings performed well and the differences were marginal.
 
Has anyone tried a hybrid of triax and sync?

Two such testimonials below:

I think I’ve found my ideal use for Sync. 1.33 Triax / 1.25 Sync in a Blade v9 16M. Triax needs a cross that lets it slide and when it does, it is a high performance main string.

Sync’s combo of pocketing, control, tension maintenance and SnapBack is unbelievable. A

This is quite the Goldilocks set up of power, spin, control and feel.

Why not Triax mains Sync crosses, since it comes closer to a gut/poly setup?

I did 1.38 Triax/1.25 Sync and it was quite controlled, slightly less wild spin than full poly but the consistent depth and power is there, incredible feel. Only qualm I had with Sync crosses in this setup was the how unusually stiffer it felt compared to it being in the mains in poly-poly hybrids or full bed Sync. @dr. godmode is right in that it may stiffen up in particular racquets and string setups. The stiffness was enough to cause twitches in my forearm and shoulder (but thankfully no pain) which has never happened with full poly before. Really strange.
 
Played PLP/Hawk compared to PLP/Max power same tensions. Hawk had slightly more top end spin the first hour that leveled out with max power after, slightly more pop, less crisp. Difference was marginal, but I did notice hawk crosses moving out of place sooner after about 4 hours compared to around 6 hours for max power. Both strings performed well and the differences were marginal.
Played another hour with PLP/Hawk and was adjusting Hawk crosses consistently in between points. PLP still snapping back and played with adequate control but there was an increase in harsh vibrations leading me to cut it out. Both Hawk and Max Power make for great crosses in these setups leveling up control. I would give the edge to Max Power for consistency and longevity, as well as price but if you only have access to Hawk you won’t be missing much. I would like to compare 17g Hawk to 18g Max Power next. 18g Max Power has increased top end performance compared to 17g that would be interesting to compare side by side with Hawk. Also have Bussard, Wasabi X, and Otoro Snap to test out as crosses in these setups.
 
Played another hour with PLP/Hawk and was adjusting Hawk crosses consistently in between points. PLP still snapping back and played with adequate control but there was an increase in harsh vibrations leading me to cut it out. Both Hawk and Max Power make for great crosses in these setups leveling up control. I would give the edge to Max Power for consistency and longevity, as well as price but if you only have access to Hawk you won’t be missing much. I would like to compare 17g Hawk to 18g Max Power next. 18g Max Power has increased top end performance compared to 17g that would be interesting to compare side by side with Hawk. Also have Bussard, Wasabi X, and Otoro Snap to test out as crosses in these setups.
Did you ever try HDMX? It is the best I have tried (I have not yet tried triax or multifeel in a hybrid) in terms of allowing the crosses to stay in place, and based on the few hybrids I have used it in, it does not increase in harshness before it breaks.
 
Did you ever try HDMX? It is the best I have tried (I have not yet tried triax or multifeel in a hybrid) in terms of allowing the crosses to stay in place, and based on the few hybrids I have used it in, it does not increase in harshness before it breaks.
I have not tried it yet, but I have a pack of it and Triax to test out soon. I have tried multifeel black and it plays well but I find PLP to play better. I will give it a go soon and let you know how it plays.
 
Ok first outing with Dark Matter 17/Sync 17 in a strike 100 16/20 was very positive. About an hour of hitting then a quick set (W6-3). Snap back still there. Almost no notching at all. Does feel a bit more muted than full poly I had in there before(solstice black/flash) but still good feel overall. Obviously not as much spin but still above expectations. So far so good.
 
Ok first outing with Dark Matter 17/Sync 17 in a strike 100 16/20 was very positive. About an hour of hitting then a quick set (W6-3). Snap back still there. Almost no notching at all. Does feel a bit more muted than full poly I had in there before(solstice black/flash) but still good feel overall. Obviously not as much spin but still above expectations. So far so good.
How is the power/pop when compared to other polys in the same gauge/setup/tension/racquet/etc...?
 
How is the power/pop when compared to other polys in the same gauge/setup/tension/racquet/etc...?
I just started using this frame(strike 100 16x20) and the only other setup I had in it was solstice black/flash. No discernible difference regarding power/pop between the two setups.

Maybe need a new thread for Diadem Dark Matter, but too curious atm, so need to ask. How does it compare to diadem evolution?

I don’t have much experience with evolution other than a very brief hit with it as a cross and it’s very slick. Main was solstice power in a nova v3. Good feel, good spin but only used it for like 15min.
 
I've strung up a racquet with Prince lighting pro / Rexxxer.
Very stretchy and slippery while stringing that PLP. Seemed to creep along the grommets a bit when releasing the clamp due to its slippery nature.
Feels nice initially when bouncing against the wall.

Trial before that was/is NXT Power 1.30 / Hawk rough 1.25. Quite nice, very similar to NRG2, not sure I'd be able to distinguish those in this hybrid setup in a blind test.
Durability also bad like NRG2, I think most of the TF style coating multis can't handle stiff crosses very well.
I'm hoping the oval Rexxxer can add a bit of playtime before PLP breaks.
 
I tried MFB16 and Sync 17 at 55/50.

I played 1 hour with a lower level player easy rallying, and 2 hours with 4.0-5.0 players. I play so much better with this setup compared to full bed poly. It feels great for neutral rally and defensive shots. There is so much feel. I am much more consistent. It was a bit harder to keep it in with big swings on faster incoming balls, but maybe I’m still in need of adjustment. Durability is definitely an issue though and I don’t want to go the route of using string savers.

I will try out Triax/ sync next. I think I will also drop the tension some.
 
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