Non-String breaker questions

sansaephanh

Professional
So i'm a 3.5 with 4.0 groundstrokes on good days and I currently wield 2 2009 model Rebel 95s. I try to hit variable spin serves to get my opponents off guard, but mostly to maintain a type of consistency. I have a kick serve that doesn't kick more half the time, a slice serve with minimal movement, a hard topspin serve to replace my flat when i need to get it in, and a low staying flat serve. Again the flat serve is low staying probably cause i have no pop.

I love ripping the penetrating flat forehand and hitting nice high bouncing or low flowing defensive shots to set up my stronger groundstrokes and touch shots including short angles and dropshots). My goal is to be a all courter, but my volleys are horrible. I tend to not look at the ball and miss the ball altogether(yes its that bad). I am also a budget player and don't break strings too often, but can tell when my strings are dead or about to break.

With all of the above, do you think thinner gauges may be of value to me?

I'd love more playability from strings, but am currently wondering if i should even bother with my level of play. My friends are who are at a 4.0 level playing round robin matches say i have great groundstrokes but am lacking a bit of pop on my serves and volleys. For sure the problems with volleying are in confidence, form, and footwork. Though, on serves I used to easily hit fence in one bounce, but now not i'm not getting enough pop into the ball.

I've played with 16 gauge all my life and haven't known any other guage. I should be coming into a reel of Gosen Sheep Micro 17 soon and am wondering how different the playability will be from my full bed of Forten Sweet 16. Loving the consistent soft feel of Forten Sweet, but am looking for something just a tad livelier with a bit more pop and hopefully more spin. I think I get enough comfort for the racket itself. I'm also looking into something intriguing to maybe hybrid with the Gosen Sheep Micro.

Any suggestions for my game? for spin and pop? I'd prefer not to use polys, but I believe co-polys and synth guts are okay for what i want to achieve. Remember... the key word here is budget/playability.

Thanks guys. This thread was inspired by BigT's what everyone else is doing wrong thread lol.
 
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gatorskb12

New User
I was kind of in the same boat you are in, same racket, 3.5 trying to get bumped to 4.0 and strings were dying before they broke.

I switched to Prince Hybrid Spin EXP 18/17 String, its about 15$ a pack.

This really helped my game I feel as it was really the only thing I changed. I was able to put more spin on my serves this resulted in a much higher 1st serve percentage. Volleys I was always pretty good at so I dont think it helped me there to much.

Hope this helps
 

sansaephanh

Professional
I was kind of in the same boat you are in, same racket, 3.5 trying to get bumped to 4.0 and strings were dying before they broke.

I switched to Prince Hybrid Spin EXP 18/17 String, its about 15$ a pack.

This really helped my game I feel as it was really the only thing I changed. I was able to put more spin on my serves this resulted in a much higher 1st serve percentage. Volleys I was always pretty good at so I dont think it helped me there to much.

Hope this helps
Rofl, I love your sig.
 

gatorskb12

New User
Rofl, I love your sig.
Thanks once the new models came out I started grabbing all of them I could because I dont plan on switching rackets anytime soon will more than likely end up buying more and putting them in the closet till current ones break / die of old age
 

Valjean

Hall of Fame
....do you think thinner gauges may be of value to me?

....Loving the consistent soft feel of Forten Sweet, but am looking for something just a tad livelier with a bit more pop and hopefully more spin.....
Thinner gauges are just what you need.

For its thinner gauge and stiffer feel compared to what you currently use, Gosen's OGSM 17 should provide you with more spin, but is likely to be a step back in comfort and pop.
 
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sansaephanh

Professional
What do you guys think is a good budget synthetic or multi for my game?

As much as a crisp syth improves my game, I can't help but fall in love with a beautiful ball pocketing dream. My first encounter with this was Head FiberGel Power in my [K]95 Team. Oh man it was a dream come true. I might as well have been catching the ball walking to the other side and placing it where i wanted it. I was finding lines on angles i see people on the tour get lucky to hit, but the downside was that I killed the string too fast. About six hours in it got all loose and trampoline like. At eight it popped. This is from a 3.5 player with crap strokes.

As I might be switching to the Pro Staff 6.1 Classic Stretches soon, I might be looking into some soft deep ball pocketing strings. I might look into hybrids soon as well. I had some good experiences with BBO mains/XXLightning hybrid, but that was in highschool when my coach just strung up whatever he liked lol.

So I'm probably going to be testing 17 and 18 guage strings for this year while trying to play around with my rackets. As much as i like my old rebels, I think i might just need a tad more pop.
 

Chyeaah

Professional
So i'm a 3.5 with 4.0 groundstrokes on good days and I currently wield 2 2009 model Rebel 95s. I try to hit variable spin serves to get my opponents off guard, but mostly to maintain a type of consistency. I have a kick serve that doesn't kick more half the time, a slice serve with minimal movement, a hard topspin serve to replace my flat when i need to get it in, and a low staying flat serve. Again the flat serve is low staying probably cause i have no pop.

I love ripping the penetrating flat forehand and hitting nice high bouncing or low flowing defensive shots to set up my stronger groundstrokes and touch shots including short angles and dropshots). My goal is to be a all courter, but my volleys are horrible. I tend to not look at the ball and miss the ball altogether(yes its that bad). I am also a budget player and don't break strings too often, but can tell when my strings are dead or about to break.

With all of the above, do you think thinner gauges may be of value to me?

I'd love more playability from strings, but am currently wondering if i should even bother with my level of play. My friends are who are at a 4.0 level playing round robin matches say i have great groundstrokes but am lacking a bit of pop on my serves and volleys. For sure the problems with volleying are in confidence, form, and footwork. Though, on serves I used to easily hit fence in one bounce, but now not i'm not getting enough pop into the ball.

I've played with 16 gauge all my life and haven't known any other guage. I should be coming into a reel of Gosen Sheep Micro 17 soon and am wondering how different the playability will be from my full bed of Forten Sweet 16. Loving the consistent soft feel of Forten Sweet, but am looking for something just a tad livelier with a bit more pop and hopefully more spin. I think I get enough comfort for the racket itself. I'm also looking into something intriguing to maybe hybrid with the Gosen Sheep Micro.

Any suggestions for my game? for spin and pop? I'd prefer not to use polys, but I believe co-polys and synth guts are okay for what i want to achieve. Remember... the key word here is budget/playability.

Thanks guys. This thread was inspired by BigT's what everyone else is doing wrong thread lol.
There are hardly any poly's that anyone uses except for lux, now its just mainly co-polys

All i can say is non string breaker, full bed natural gut, it is the best and you'll find nothing like it for budget/playability.

Try Wilson Gut/N.Vy to cut the costs down. it should last around 6 - 12 months for a non-string breaker 3.5, just buy some string savers and install before playing every time.

Although if your looking for poly/syn hybrid, the most costeffective would be cyberflash or Pro's Pro, all the nowadays spin poly's dont benefit on penetrating flat shots unless you add slice instead of topspin to keep the ball low.
 
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Jack2010

New User
Try Technifibre NRG in 17 gauge...$14/packet, I think. or Tourna Quasi-Gut 17 is also quite good and about $10/packet
 

sansaephanh

Professional
There are hardly any poly's that anyone uses except for lux, now its just mainly co-polys

All i can say is non string breaker, full bed natural gut, it is the best and you'll find nothing like it for budget/playability.

Try Wilson Gut/N.Vy to cut the costs down. it should last around 6 - 12 months for a non-string breaker 3.5, just buy some string savers and install before playing every time.

Although if your looking for poly/syn hybrid, the most costeffective would be cyberflash or Pro's Pro, all the nowadays spin poly's dont benefit on penetrating flat shots unless you add slice instead of topspin to keep the ball low.
Try Technifibre NRG in 17 gauge...$14/packet, I think. or Tourna Quasi-Gut 17 is also quite good and about $10/packet
Sounds interesting, but will gut really last 6-12 months? I don't have any means of taking care of it. Like i'll keep it in my room in a semi shaded area, but I can't imagine natural gut sitting around and not deteriorating on its own. Though I don't know much about gut.

Sounds interesting though.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Sounds interesting, but will gut really last 6-12 months? I don't have any means of taking care of it. Like i'll keep it in my room in a semi shaded area, but I can't imagine natural gut sitting around and not deteriorating on its own. Though I don't know much about gut.

Sounds interesting though.

If I was not a string breaker, I can tell you that a full bed of natural gut would be all I used. Terrific tension maintenance, best comfort and plenty of power on demand.
 

Up&comer

Hall of Fame
If I was not a string breaker, I can tell you that a full bed of natural gut would be all I used. Terrific tension maintenance, best comfort and plenty of power on demand.
I've gotten to the point of dreaming of not being a string breaker.
 

Chyeaah

Professional
I've gotten to the point of dreaming of not being a string breaker.
Im a string breaker D=, just cant break polys.

just keep it in a closet or something where theres not much change in humidity and you'll be fine. When it looks like it's about to rain just use another racquet.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Im a string breaker D=, just cant break polys.

just keep it in a closet or something where theres not much change in humidity and you'll be fine. When it looks like it's about to rain just use another racquet.

I'm the same, never have broken 17g B5E. The multi cross always bites it before the poly can go.
 

Hitman99

Rookie
Try Wilson NXT Tour in 18g. It is not as thin as other 18g strings, offers more durability, plus lots of bite. It is also widely available, where some other strings you may only to be able to acquire via mail order.
 

sansaephanh

Professional
I personally think its a combo of my preferred play style, dense string pattern, and low level that gives me string longevity. But I have jsut begun going to the gym and burning off massive lbs, hoping to get back into tennis fitness. Hopefully soon enough I'll be breaking strings just like you guys :) I used to break strings PSGD every other week when I was in slightly better shape and playing 15hrs+ a week lol.

If I was not a string breaker, I can tell you that a full bed of natural gut would be all I used. Terrific tension maintenance, best comfort and plenty of power on demand.
Sounds perfect for me. I might give this try... Regular tension? 50-60lbs?

Try Wilson NXT Tour in 18g. It is not as thin as other 18g strings, offers more durability, plus lots of bite. It is also widely available, where some other strings you may only to be able to acquire via mail order.
I'll do a search and look for some budget guts, because I'm already over budget on this paycheck and its only been 3 days :(

But a thin gut sounds good
 

mikeler

Moderator
Sounds perfect for me. I might give this try... Regular tension? 50-60lbs?

If you buy a cheap gut, 55 may be the max recommended tension. Do some searches on TTW before you make your final tension decision. I'd prefer to string gut at 60 or higher.
 

sansaephanh

Professional
There are so many gut choices at so many different price ranges. Any tips on choosing?

I don't mind paying the medium for a good gut if it really is going to give me the best playability for half a year or more. I kill synthetics pretty quick but I think they don't pop cause of how little spin I use when hitting.

I have a little bit of time since I'm getting 2 Pro Staff 6.1 Classic Stretches soon. I'm going to add lead to the handle and try the gut in those. I Don't want to screw up stringing the gut in my Rebels.
 

Valjean

Hall of Fame
If you are planning on as much as six months from natural gut, though, I'd take some precautions.

I'd either string the crosses a couple of pounds over the mains or plan to employ string savers to cut down on string movement when the overall tension relaxes some.

You'd also need to revise the overall tension you want, for gut play.
 

sansaephanh

Professional
If you are planning on as much as six months from natural gut, though, I'd take some precautions.

I'd either string the crosses a couple of pounds over the mains or plan to employ string savers to cut down on string movement when the overall tension relaxes some.

You'd also need to revise the overall tension you want, for gut play.

I actually think i don't have the money to invest into finding my gut setup. I think I'm just gonna kill the few reels of string i have now, but maybe will be looking into some hybrids.

From the previous posts mentioning what i'm looking for (spin and pop) what would be a decent main for my goals and my game?
 

kazamzaa

Rookie
I actually think i don't have the money to invest into finding my gut setup....QUOTE]


Maybe it is possible to find the gut setup with a cheap syn gut as a reference?
I've found my Yonex_RQIS_1_tour_16/18 to perform good with OGSM_17g_@_57lbs/54lbs. Im willing to try a nat gut to get some more spin.
Can someone give me an advice about the tension for Babolat VS Natural Team Gut 17 (1.25) String, using my OGSM setup as a reference?

...and sorry about my english. I'm from Finland.
 

jim e

Legend
For a non string breaker all gut is the way to go as you are looking for more pop and this will give it to you, and as said earlier strung from low to mid 60 lb. range gut plays well, and gives control as well. Only thing with gut is it can last a long long long time for a non string breraker, but... if you shank a shot it can come back to you as it can weaken the string and snap later and you wonder why.If you hit a clean ball, and non breaker, and desire more pop and feel, nat. gut is the way to go.Use a 16g. for even more durability.
 
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ethebull

Rookie
At $26 a set, Klip Legend 16 might be the one to try. Go with a hybrid - Legend mains and a syngut or multi in the crosses to save on cost.
 

ATP100

Professional
So i'm a 3.5 with 4.0 groundstrokes on good days and I currently wield 2 2009 model Rebel 95s. I try to hit variable spin serves to get my opponents off guard, but mostly to maintain a type of consistency. I have a kick serve that doesn't kick more half the time, a slice serve with minimal movement, a hard topspin serve to replace my flat when i need to get it in, and a low staying flat serve. Again the flat serve is low staying probably cause i have no pop.

I love ripping the penetrating flat forehand and hitting nice high bouncing or low flowing defensive shots to set up my stronger groundstrokes and touch shots including short angles and dropshots). My goal is to be a all courter, but my volleys are horrible. I tend to not look at the ball and miss the ball altogether(yes its that bad). I am also a budget player and don't break strings too often, but can tell when my strings are dead or about to break.

With all of the above, do you think thinner gauges may be of value to me?

I'd love more playability from strings, but am currently wondering if i should even bother with my level of play. My friends are who are at a 4.0 level playing round robin matches say i have great groundstrokes but am lacking a bit of pop on my serves and volleys. For sure the problems with volleying are in confidence, form, and footwork. Though, on serves I used to easily hit fence in one bounce, but now not i'm not getting enough pop into the ball.

I've played with 16 gauge all my life and haven't known any other guage. I should be coming into a reel of Gosen Sheep Micro 17 soon and am wondering how different the playability will be from my full bed of Forten Sweet 16. Loving the consistent soft feel of Forten Sweet, but am looking for something just a tad livelier with a bit more pop and hopefully more spin. I think I get enough comfort for the racket itself. I'm also looking into something intriguing to maybe hybrid with the Gosen Sheep Micro.

Any suggestions for my game? for spin and pop? I'd prefer not to use polys, but I believe co-polys and synth guts are okay for what i want to achieve. Remember... the key word here is budget/playability.

Thanks guys. This thread was inspired by BigT's what everyone else is doing wrong thread lol.

On a very basic level, you have to (too?) many options on your serve. Practice 1 serve and get real good at it.
 

AeroFan

Rookie
I've had questions in this regard as well, I'm a non-string breaker, but have always used 16G string, I've been thinking of going to 17 G because I feel I could use more control in m game because I hit a very deep forehand. Anyway besides durability, what else am I sacrificing by going to 17G?
 

fortun8son

Hall of Fame
What string are you using? Frame? Tension?
In general, a switch to 17g will give more spin potential.
It also gives more power, so you'd have to bump up the tension a bit.
It also does not last as long, but not a prob for a no-stringbreaker.
18g even more so.
Some have said that the best string is Head PPS 18g.
Only problem is, it breaks in 20 min!
I have used it as a cross with Lux BB Ace112
 

sansaephanh

Professional
For a non string breaker all gut is the way to go as you are looking for more pop and this will give it to you, and as said earlier strung from low to mid 60 lb. range gut plays well, and gives control as well. Only thing with gut is it can last a long long long time for a non string breaker, but... if you shank a shot it can come back to you as it can weaken the string and snap later and you wonder why.If you hit a clean ball, and non breaker, and desire more pop and feel, nat. gut is the way to go.Use a 16g. for even more durability.
Yeah I'm still pondering about gut, but I am going to try a full bed of OGSM 17 in my Pro Staff Classic 6.1 Stretch. I'd love to try gut in the other though. Its just me trying to figure how I should spend my next paycheck. Lots of responsibilities and expenses to think about

At $26 a set, Klip Legend 16 might be the one to try. Go with a hybrid - Legend mains and a syngut or multi in the crosses to save on cost.
Ouch. For a string it just sounds like so much. Considering i can get a reel of popular synth guts for half the price. But the concept of playability is too interesting for me to drop the idea.

On a very basic level, you have to (too?) many options on your serve. Practice 1 serve and get real good at it.
too* many =D. That is very true. I think my topspin is good enough for a get it in serve, but I've wanted a true kick serve for the longest time. It's just hard to get time in to practice anymore.

I've had questions in this regard as well, I'm a non-string breaker, but have always used 16G string, I've been thinking of going to 17 G because I feel I could use more control in m game because I hit a very deep forehand. Anyway besides durability, what else am I sacrificing by going to 17G?
I think it is just durability. Seems like all playability goes up, but they die/break faster than normal.

What string are you using? Frame? Tension?
In general, a switch to 17g will give more spin potential.
It also gives more power, so you'd have to bump up the tension a bit.
It also does not last as long, but not a prob for a no-stringbreaker.
18g even more so.
Some have said that the best string is Head PPS 18g.
Only problem is, it breaks in 20 min!
I have used it as a cross with Lux BB Ace112
Well I can kill strings and polys after a month or two if i get out enough and have good sessions, but sometimes its hard to tell if I'm launching them or the strings are. I can pop multis and few synths. I've popped fibergel control and power in a pretty short amount of time. 2 outings in one week each.

I want something in the middle range of strings to give me great spins on either a possible hybrid with my soft synths(forten sweet 16 and OGSM 17) or a full bed of something new.

Frame: Exo3 Rebel (2009 version) and Pro Staff 6.1 Classic Stretch (Euro version)
String: Forten Sweet 16g
Tension: 56 for this string.
 

AeroFan

Rookie
Fortun8son, I use a babolat APDC and APDGT I plan on using the babolat French open excel string. I usually string at 58 lbs.
 
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