Nordic noir, drama from Scandinavia and a little beyond

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
We're making good progress on Black Widows.
Have the finale of series 1 to go.
It's a mildly erotic romp with the odd murder thrown in.
I can't quite figure out which of the widows I like most. Perhaps that is the idea :)
Low body count compared to most..

Character Johanne (Synnøve Macody Lund) was born in Stord.
Bit odd as that's not far from Bergen.
We struggle to understand her as much as the Danes :)
She has a nice dialect. Wished I had one, I only speak boring Oslo type.
 

speedysteve

Legend
Finished Black Lake (Svartsjõn).

Made me chuckle when in episode 5 or 6 the lead character Johan said to his Danish gf / fiance Hanne, one of the reasons the relationship was difficult was that he didn't understand everything she said :) yeah I bet!
Reckon the actors had fun and games filming it too.

High body count.. at the end you are left on a cliff hanger that ultimately maybe only one or two guys will survive out of the 8 visitors and 3 locals.. the spook driven killing is pretty widespread.
I won't say more for risk of spoiling.

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We have 4 episodes, series 2 of Black Widows to go..

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To say they like a drop of bubbly would be something of an understatement!


Glad Lucia BTW.
 
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speedysteve

Legend
Finished series II of Black Widows.
Not do much Noir as romp.

Many scrapes and close shaves for the ladies but they came through it all.

Last two episodes of Jordskott Next up.

I started watching Førbrydelsen (The Killing), more accurate too translate it as 'The crime' I would have thought, but never mind.
I guess the killing sounds so much more Noir ;)
The Swedes translated Fawlty Towers to Pang I bygget (Noise in a big house)! Hey ho.

I'm not sure why I've not watched Førbrydelsen before. One of those things..
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I can't say I've watched enough 'Nordic Noir' to form any real conclusions but it seems to have the following elements:

1. a detective investigating a crime

2. a psychological narrative

3. a bleak, dark landscape filmed in unsaturated colour

So far I can only see any resemblance with original black and white noir on point three.

Noir was urban and mostly lacking in psychological complexity over than the usual motivations for crime of any sort.

The self-referential nod to film history certainly points in a certain cinematographic direction, but we are still turning over our history in that very post-modern way.
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

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Finished series II of Black Widows.
Not do much Noir as romp.

Many scrapes and close shaves for the ladies but they came through it all.

Last two episodes of Jordskott Next up.

I started watching Førbrydelsen (The Killing), more accurate too translate it as 'The crime' I would have thought, but never mind.
I guess the killing sounds so much more Noir ;)
The Swedes translated Fawlty Towers to Pang I bygget (Noise in a big house)! Hey ho.

I'm not sure why I've not watched Førbrydelsen before. One of those things..
Forbrydelsen is a very good one!!
And those knitted sweaters she wears ... :)
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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My mum used to knit jumpers like that :)
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Nice. Its a scandinavian tradition to knit in wool. Think we have done since viking times. Every town and city got good knitting shops. When I lived abroad it was almost impossible to find good yarn to use.
I have spent more than 5000 kroner only on yarn this year. :oops:
 

speedysteve

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Finished series 2 of Jordskott.

At last it made some bloody sense and the pieces came together in episode 7 and who was doing what moreso in episode 8.

Find this little explanation

"Jordskottet är en mystisk parasit som förvandlar sin värdkropp till ett träd under en utdragen och smärtsam process. Steg för steg förfaller man tills man helt upphört att vara människa. I stället rotar man sig och blir en del av skogen.
Går man i skogen kan man faktiskt urskilja vilka träd som är Jordskott-träd, för de mänskliga dragen kan fortfarande skymtas i århundraden efteråt, i rötter eller stam. "

They left it plenty open for a series 3.

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Happy Jankell looks much like her mother (apart from hair colour).

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speedysteve

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I'm enjoying the killing / Forbrydelsen.

All those phrases I completely understand and then having to scrabble to read the text as the next sentence is half gibberish :)
I like the slow build and twists and turns.

Marie Askehave

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speedysteve

Legend
More twists and turns in Forbrydelsen than in twisty turny thing!

Nice touch her driving mum's VW Beetle.
Did you spot what looked like a Moto Lita steering wheel?
 

NonP

Legend
I haven't been following this thread but from the looks of it I'm guessing the term noir is being used rather loosely. In that case let me give a shout-out to Joachim Trier's wonderfully eerie horror-thriller Thelma, whose devout title heroine's supernatural powers are initially kept in the dark by her well-meaning father until a forbidden brush with love unmasks a family of horrible secrets and ultimately leads her to bittersweet redemption:


Trust me when I say it's really not as cheesy as it sounds - I normally don't care for supernatural anything but I enjoyed it. And the acting is first-rate throughout, with the lead actress Eili Harboe in what I hope will be her breakout role.

Doubt it's still playing in theaters as it disappeared after only a week or two in my hood (almost a month ago, I think), but do check it out once it's available for streaming.

I can't say I've watched enough 'Nordic Noir' to form any real conclusions but it seems to have the following elements:

1. a detective investigating a crime

2. a psychological narrative

3. a bleak, dark landscape filmed in unsaturated colour

So far I can only see any resemblance with original black and white noir on point three.

Noir was urban and mostly lacking in psychological complexity over than the usual motivations for crime of any sort.

The self-referential nod to film history certainly points in a certain cinematographic direction, but we are still turning over our history in that very post-modern way.

You forgot femmes fetales, which judging by some of the pictures posted here seem to be legion in popular Nordic noir.

But as you may know contemporary language philosophers tend to frown upon the notion that we form such categories as noir by putting common elements together. Rather they hold (supported by empirical research, it must be added) that we create networks of relationship using metaphor and other forms of imaginative association that develop over time. Noir is no doubt one such textbook network, as it's so hard to define but somehow easier to intuitively recognize. I'm not sure if you're familiar with James Naremore's More Than Night: Film Noir in Its Contexts (widely considered a classic on the subject) but he discusses this thorny makeup of noir, its hazy history and a lot more in his masterful text.
 

speedysteve

Legend
Yes, it evolved as it went and the title could be better termed Nordic noir, drama, films and even comedy :)

Yes the are a lot of female lead characters.
Nordic countries are big on equality.
 

NonP

Legend
Upon reflection I'm beginning to think I might have downplayed the religiosity of both Thelma the film and Thelma the character. I doubt Trier wanted to make a pure allegory, but if you think of Thelma's extrasensory powers as a sort of Noah's flood - most of her friends are shown as hedonistic freethinkers who can barely hide their contempt for her faith and asceticism, while her father's supposedly benign protection feels ambiguously self-serving at the same time - you could argue that the unleashing of her powers first against her will and then of her own accord is akin to a spiritual cleansing of her social and familial environments. Which is to say, Trier beat Aronofsky (whose mother! was probably the most divisive film of 2017, with the arguable exception of The Square by Ruben Ostlund - hey another Nordic guy!) at his own game this year with only a fraction of his budget and bombast.

Not sure I'd still include Thelma in my top 10 of 2017, but it's definitely a contender now.

Yes, it evolved as it went and the title could be better termed Nordic noir, drama, films and even comedy :)

Then let me give another shout-out, this time to the TV series Borgen (though I'm guessing it's been mentioned already). Have yet to see a single episode :oops:, but a number of critics I hold in high esteem have raved about it and I'm looking forward to taking the plunge myself.

Yes the are a lot of female lead characters.
Nordic countries are big on equality.

I know it's easy to forget now but just a year ago we elected self-proclaimed pu$$y-grabber Donald friggin' Trump to the most powerful office in the world. :mad: You really don't need to remind us. :oops::D
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Upon reflection I'm beginning to think I might have downplayed the religiosity of both Thelma the film and Thelma the character. I doubt Trier wanted to make a pure allegory, but if you think of Thelma's extrasensory powers as a sort of Noah's flood - most of her friends are shown as hedonistic freethinkers who can barely hide their contempt for her faith and asceticism, while her father's supposedly benign protection feels ambiguously self-serving at the same time - you could argue that the unleashing of her powers first against her will and then of her own accord is akin to a spiritual cleansing of her social and familial environments. Which is to say, Trier beat Aronofsky (whose mother! was probably the most divisive film of 2017, with the arguable exception of The Square by Ruben Ostlund - hey another Nordic guy!) at his own game this year with only a fraction of his budget and bombast.

Not sure I'd still include Thelma in my top 10 of 2017, but it's definitely a contender now.



Then let me give another shout-out, this time to the TV series Borgen (though I'm guessing it's been mentioned already). Have yet to see a single episode :oops:, but a number of critics I hold in high esteem have raved about it and I'm looking forward to taking the plunge myself.



I know it's easy to forget now but just a year ago we elected self-proclaimed pu$$y-grabber Donald friggin' Trump to the most powerful office in the world. :mad: You really don't need to remind us. :oops::D
Are you Norwegian?

Joachim Trier is a great guy and director. He has made more good movies than Thelma. Louder than bombs. English speaking.
I love he goes back to Nordic.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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Jul i blodfjell.

Its a christmas parody/comedy of Nordic Noir. Full of good actors. Funny.
Main character is a mix of Forbrydelsen og Broen.
24 episodes. Maybe not funny if you are not a Scandi, but you never know. The highlight for me in tv this xmas.
 

speedysteve

Legend
I'm on to the 3rd series of Forbrydelsen (The Killing).

Another series, a new jumper pattern :)

This one looks suspiciously like a machine knit?

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TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm on to the 3rd series of Forbrydelsen (The Killing).

Another series, a new jumper pattern :)

This one looks suspiciously like a machine knit?

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Please, dont give me any ideas for stuff to knit :p
Tennis injuries... nahhhhh

Knitting injuries? Oh yes. My wrist is suffering :p

Hm, dont think i have even watched season 3. Are you watching dvds?
 

speedysteve

Legend
Please, dont give me any ideas for stuff to knit [emoji14]
Tennis injuries... nahhhhh

Knitting injuries? Oh yes. My wrist is suffering [emoji14]

Hm, dont think i have even watched season 3. Are you watching dvds?
Säsongen 1 och 2 på Netflix. Säsongen 3 BBC inspelning.

Kanske en stickningsmaskin?
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
On closer inspection Sarah Lund's jumper is indeed hand knitted!
Go for it GoA :)
Of course they are!

Now Im having a project, actually a copy of a Danish design, Ganni.
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Its tricky w the holes, and patterns in the yarn itself. Never done that before.But thick yarn and sticks so goes pretty fast anyways. :p

But that season 3 jumper is soooooo nice! She is a good model :D

You see in Scandinavian Tv series they often have knitted stuff when you start to notice it.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
On closer inspection Sarah Lund's jumper is indeed hand knitted!
Go for it GoA :)

From Jul i Blodfjell.
Main detective is even speaking Danish to parody Forbrydelsen (she is Norwegian)
You maybe also recognise the Lucia celebration. Not many celebrate the Saint Lucia in Christmas like Scandies do.


This type of language would be censored in many countries. Another liberal Scandi thing.
 
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speedysteve

Legend
Of course they are!

Now Im having a project, actually a copy of a Danish design, Ganni.
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Its tricky w the holes, and patterns in the yarn itself. Never done that before.But thick yarn and sticks so goes pretty fast anyways. [emoji14]

But that season 3 jumper is soooooo nice! She is a good model :D

You see in Scandinavian Tv series they often have knitted stuff when you start to notice it.
That looks very nice.
I can see you down by the sea mending nets wearing that :)

Go easy on that wrist ;)
 
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