Norrie is actually excellent

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Legitimately really good. Great movement and hideously effective strokes. He's only...let me look it up...age 25. I was hoping it would say 23 or 24, but still...25. Like it or not, this guy might be a ATP finals qualifying dude pretty soon.
 

Zoid

Hall of Fame
Norrie will struggle to get higher than he is. Lack of weapons puts his ceiling around 15-20 for me. Guy is a real competitor and has done really well this year though. credit to him
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Nadal has beaten Norrie 3 times this year.
They have played 8 sets, and Nadal won them all.
But Norrie looked good at the start of each set.
 

Dominic & Andrey

Hall of Fame
Overrated.
How? The guy worked hard during the pandemic and progressed a lot, ofc he is not a top player but for his standards what he has done this season is amazing. And who knows how far he can go in the future? Look at the trajectory of Bautista Agut for example.

I have a lot of respect for those guys no one really care about but do everything they can to maximize their potential
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
How? The guy worked hard during the pandemic and progressed a lot, ofc he is not a top player but for his standards what he has done this season is amazing. And who knows how far he can go in the future? Look at the trajectory of Bautista Agut for example.

I have a lot of respect for those guys no one really care about but do everything they can to maximize their potential
If Norrie is overrated than underrated doesn't exist. He is probably the least sexy of any high ranked player right now. By sexy I don't mean physically attractive, though he's not a bad looking guy. He looks like my neighbor.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
25?!
Thought he was 19 the way he was being hyped at Wimbledon as the new British phenom.
Will be turning 26 in 4 weeks. It is high time he put up some results. But suspect he has peaked at Top 30.
Hyped as a new British phenom? You must be thinking of 19 year old Jack Draper.
 
Nadal has beaten Norrie 3 times this year.
They have played 8 sets, and Nadal won them all.
But Norrie looked good at the start of each set.
Norrie is good shouldn't be understood to mean "Norrie is a threat to Nadal" but "Norrie is a threat to players two tiers down from Nadal."
 
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Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Norrie is good shouldn't be understood to mean "Norrie is a threat to Nadal" but "Norrie is a threat to plays two tiers down from Nadal."
Yeah, no need to compare him to the greats of all time. He's hanging around the top twenty and that's an incredible achievement for a guy like Norrie. Of course everyone is going to scream, "but he's not a member of the big three!" Screw those people. Keep working, Norrie.
 

Rosstour

Legend
He wears a bra? Are you sure it's not a mansiere?
It's like a sports bra to prevent chafing, but it doesn't look very masculine at all.

I also noticed it in a match where he was playing another Brit named PENISTON so I definitely groaned on tennis' behalf during that match.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
I saw him play live in 2019 and genuinely thought he was one of the worst players I had ever seen

I’ve been very surprised by his success this year
 

socallefty

Legend
He seems like an ATP pusher playing far behind the baseline with no big weapons - not much interest for me in watching him play just like I don’t care for others who play defensively from far back. It doesn’t mean he is not a good tennis player - just not a good entertainer.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Poor man's Mannarino with a better brain

It was bizarre to see a consistent player like Norrie lose 0 and 2 against Ruud in the San Diego final.
Not really, imho. Winning an ATP1000 is really impressive ofc, but Norrie 1) only beat the guys who beat The Guys and 2) didn’t meet any opponents that were able to capitalize on Norrie’s huge achilles heel, his awkward BH technique.

Ruud demolished Norrie bc:
A) he thrives with high loopy balls to his BH, CC on the ad side, which is Norrie’s bread and butter. Ruud returns high and loopy balls that neutralizes the point.
B) Ruud’s heavy FH punishes Norrie’s super flat BH on the deuce side CC as Norrie can’t counter with TS.

Norrie‘s technique prevents him from generating anything near heavy TS with his BH, but he defends it well so it’s not like Paire’s FH, for sure. But against the solid, top players with strong 2HBHs, he will struggle in the business end of majors.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Not really, imho. Winning an ATP1000 is really impressive ofc, but Norrie 1) only beat the guys who beat The Guys and 2) didn’t meet any opponents that were able to capitalize on Norrie’s huge achilles heel, his awkward BH technique.

Ruud demolished Norrie bc:
A) he thrives with high loopy balls to his BH, CC on the ad side, which is Norrie’s bread and butter. Ruud returns high and loopy balls that neutralizes the point.
B) Ruud’s heavy FH punishes Norrie’s super flat BH on the deuce side CC as Norrie can’t counter with TS.

Norrie‘s technique prevents him from generating anything near heavy TS with his BH, but he defends it well so it’s not like Paire’s FH, for sure. But against the solid, top players with strong 2HBHs, he will struggle in the business end of majors.
A vulnerability agaisnt heavy righty FHs is a pretty terrible weak point in today's day's and age. Med is pretty much the only top player that doesn't have one of those. Well, Nadal too, but his own BH also outclasses Cam's.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Norrie should release an official statement of apology for his victory. That would be pretty funny and interesting. Maybe endearing, but maybe just funny. Are you listening, Norrie? Take advantage!
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
A vulnerability agaisnt heavy righty FHs is a pretty terrible weak point in today's day's and age. Med is pretty much the only top player that doesn't have one of those. Well, Nadal too, but his own BH also outclasses Cam's.
Djokovic is the gold standard here, when it comes to handling heavy TS into the BH.
Med handles it by either stepping back or taking it early _and_ being smart about shot selection and placement. He's not a heavy hitter.
Nadal is strong as a bull and can both rip the BH flat or inject the ball with heavy TS.
Most top players with 2HBH have found a way to counter TS with TS on the BH wing: Zverev, Schwartzman, Rublev, PCB, Ruud also.

But Norrie's issue is that he fully extends both arms in the take back on the 2HBH. And most of the time, he has an extremely flat pushing movement. At times he can counterpunch effectively, making good use of the opponent's pace, but more often than not, he is left with a flat and short return. That being said, he has learned to use this to his advantage: he most often likes to pull his opponent out wide on the deuce using a very loopy FH trajectory, then he flattens out the return, going flat, short DTL. His big Achilles heel is that he can't really generate power _or_ spin on the BH, and if the opponent can adapt to this, he's left completely open.

Take a look at the highlights to see the flat "pushing" BH:
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is the gold standard here, when it comes to handling heavy TS into the BH.
Med handles it by either stepping back or taking it early _and_ being smart about shot selection and placement. He's not a heavy hitter.
Nadal is strong as a bull and can both rip the BH flat or inject the ball with heavy TS.
Most top players with 2HBH have found a way to counter TS with TS on the BH wing: Zverev, Schwartzman, Rublev, PCB, Ruud also.

But Norrie's issue is that he fully extends both arms in the take back on the 2HBH. And most of the time, he has an extremely flat pushing movement. At times he can counterpunch effectively, making good use of the opponent's pace, but more often than not, he is left with a flat and short return. That being said, he has learned to use this to his advantage: he most often likes to pull his opponent out wide on the deuce using a very loopy FH trajectory, then he flattens out the return, going flat, short DTL. His big Achilles heel is that he can't really generate power _or_ spin on the BH, and if the opponent can adapt to this, he's left completely open.

Take a look at the highlights to see the flat "pushing" BH:
The opponent shouldn't have to adapt to it. The opponent should show up already knowing it. But I guess it didn't stop him from winning the sixth slam (after Cincinnati). Just like Roddick's similarly ugly backhand didn't stop him from doing some things.
 
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