Not all Year End #1 are equally impressive

[jg153040]

You guys take this way, way too seriously. You realize that we're talking about a tennis player, right? A swiss guy who hits a ball with a woven racquet for a living.

I don't "trash Fed". I think he's actually developed into a great person and a great player. I think the same of Nadal. Djokovic is also finally maturing and coming into his own. I think all of these guys are great.

What is incredible is that you guys think I "trash Fed" just because I don't believe he's the greatest ever. GOAT is a place I reserve for Pancho Gonzales. It's all or nothing with a lot of you Federer/Nadal/Djokovic fans on this board.

I cannot believe people get so irate when we're talking about being amongst the top five players in tennis history. Really?

Then what is the reason you don't accept reality then? I don't care who you think is the goat. Just accept the reality and let's move on. And it is that W is perceived the most important tennis tournament. Not just by fans but by pros too.

So, you have to be biased or have some agenda not accepting reality. What else could it be?

Fine I can accept Pancho is goat or whatever, it still doesn't change the fact that W is nr.1 tennis tournament. Our beliefs are irrelevant. What we want is irrelevant. It is the way it is.

 

[jg153040]

BTW, you completely misinterpreted my post as a trashing of Federer. Which is not unlike a lot of your Federer fans.

To be clear. I actually think tennis was better when there was a full grass season.

But if you are going to have a grass slam, then have a full grass season. You have to give players a chance to play a couple of 250s/500s and a couple of MS1000s on a surface before the slam comes.

Ok maybe thrashing was a strong word. But you try to devalue Fed's achievements all the time. I don't mind, it's irrelevant. But you are doing it without good evidence or logic. This is the problem.

Some things aren't subjective, so all opinions aren't equal.

 

[eldanger25]

You guys take this way, way too seriously. You realize that we're talking about a tennis player, right? A swiss guy who hits a ball with a woven racquet for a living.

I don't "trash Fed". I think he's actually developed into a great person and a great player. I think the same of Nadal. Djokovic is also finally maturing and coming into his own. I think all of these guys are great.

What is incredible is that you guys think I "trash Fed" just because I don't believe he's the greatest ever. GOAT is a place I reserve for Pancho Gonzales. It's all or nothing with a lot of you Federer/Nadal/Djokovic fans on this board.

I cannot believe people get so irate when we're talking about being amongst the top five players in tennis history. Really?

We agree about Gonzales - if there's such a thing as best ever, it'd be him - all the stats, plus busting through the tennis culture barriers and dominating to such an extent that they even tried outlawing S&V for awhile to make his matches more competitive.

You and I disagree about 2013 - I don't see any tennis reasons to call Djokovic Player of the Year, and I'm not convinced by the mere fact of a closed door ITF vote. But we agree on Pancho, for sure.

The PLTA (another closed door institution) boned Gonzales over in 1952 for its PoY award, for what it's worth. Not entirely sure it was for pure tennis reasons, too - lots of opportunities for bias or personal dislikes to get in the way in those settings, and Gonzales had his share of enemies/rivals in the tennis world.

 

[eldanger25]

Then what is the reason you don't accept reality then? I don't care who you think is the goat. Just accept the reality and let's move on. And it is that W is perceived the most important tennis tournament. Not just by fans but by pros too.

So, you have to be biased or have some agenda not accepting reality. What else could it be?

Fine I can accept Pancho is goat or whatever, it still doesn't change the fact that W is nr.1 tennis tournament. Our beliefs are irrelevant. What we want is irrelevant. It is the way it is.

I sort of agree with both of you - all the slams are worth the same, but if you want to be remembered as the best of the best, you need to've won Wimbledon (and ideally more than once).

 

[fed_rulz]

again, i suggest you try and comprehend the difference and distinction between a team sport (like boring soccer) and an individual sport like tennis!

your comparison is rather meaningless.

nice try - you claimed that no legitimate sport will have RR format (moronic position to begin with, but hey, this is you, so it is something to expect), and you didn't draw a distinction between team sport or individual sport.

pray tell how the difference and distinction matters in this case - i'm waiting

 

[bullfan]

Federer single-handed destroyed the careers of a few of his favorite players.

And all tennis players know Nadal owns Feds azz. Which is more noticeable in the scheme of things..... I think it's Nadals Ownage of Fed.....

 

[Mayonnaise]

And all tennis players know Nadal owns Feds azz. Which is more noticeable in the scheme of things..... I think it's Nadals Ownage of Fed.....

Too bad Nadal, with all his ownage of Federer, couldn't stop him from becoming the GOAT :lol: Meanwhile, Federer broke Nadal's body and Nadal can't seem to play football with his buddies anymore.

 

[bullfan]

Too bad Nadal, with all his ownage of Federer, couldn't stop him from becoming the GOAT :lol: Meanwhile, Federer broke Nadal's body and Nadal can't seem to play football with his buddies anymore.

And yet, Federer just folds like a blanket either at the prospect of playing Nadal or during the match these days.....

 

[Mayonnaise]

And yet, Federer just folds like a blanket either at the prospect of playing Nadal or during the match these days.....

Not long before Nadal folds like a wet tissue to everyone on tour :twisted:

 

[SoBad]

WTF/YEC = Elite Exhibitionary Event, where you can lose but still win.

start dealing...

Mardy Fish and Ronald Federer have been lobbying for years to glorify the exo even further. Wouldn’t be surprised to see fireworks or exotic dancers on changeovers come Thanksgiving season this year!:lol:

 

[bullfan]

Not long before Nadal folds like a wet tissue to everyone on tour :twisted:

With the Exception of Fed.......

 

[conway]

Not long before Nadal folds like a wet tissue to everyone on tour :twisted:

Too bad Nadal haters have been saying that since 2006 now. Maybe in yet another 8 years they will finally be right.

 

[SoBad]

Too bad Nadal haters have been saying that since 2006 now. Maybe in yet another 8 years they will finally be right.

It’s all relative and depends on the context, you see. Perhaps what is meant by “not long” is “not as long as it will take for Federer to claim a Career Gold Slam by winning the Olympics”!:lol:

 

[TMF]

Wimbledon is the most prestigious grand slam tournament

What is the most Most Prestigious Grand Slam Tennis Tournament ?

1.Wimbledon
2.U.S. Open
3.French Open
4.Australian Open

 

[DRII]

nice try - you claimed that no legitimate sport will have RR format (moronic position to begin with, but hey, this is you, so it is something to expect), and you didn't draw a distinction between team sport or individual sport.

pray tell how the difference and distinction matters in this case - i'm waiting

you obviously can't, or won't, read.

"slams (or any other legitimate tournament) aren't played in overall RR format, which is only for entertainment (ie for the spectacle) purposes! huge difference!"

if you're going to make a fool of yourself, at least get your quoting right

 

[jg153040]

And all tennis players know Nadal owns Feds azz. Which is more noticeable in the scheme of things..... I think it's Nadals Ownage of Fed.....

True, but irrelevant. Luckily tennis is not about h2h. You don't need to own everybody to be the best. You only need to own most of the field most of the time to be the best.

Rafa is not nr.1 on HC, grass, indoor in his era. So, you see that h2h doesn't work because based on the h2h Rafa would have to have all the records by now and lead on all surfaces in titles.

I know why it doesn't work, but do you know?

 

[jg153040]

And yet, Federer just folds like a blanket either at the prospect of playing Nadal or during the match these days.....

I don't see this as taking away from Fed's legacy. It just adds to Rafa's legacy.

It's not that big of a deal to fold to a 14 GS winner. It's much worse to fold vs Darcis, Rosol, Kyrgy in your prime in the biggest tennis event.

At least Fed still beat Rafa at W in his prime. Plus Rafa is 2 W winner and 5 time finalist.

What are Darcis, Rosol and Kyrgy on grass? Please don't embarrass yourself further .

 

[TMF]

Seems like you haven't listened to the speeches post win..... No matter the tournament, they've always dreamed of winning.....yada yada yada....

It's called bring PC.

I don't hear any player saying I consider this slam inferior to W....

Look, unlike other topics, this is NOT an opinion to debate. The fact is Wimbledon is the universally accepted that it's the biggest sport event in tennis, just like the World Cup is the biggest in soccer. There's no dispute unless you're in denial.

At least this isn't as pathetic as some fanatics keep being dishonest about the WTF is an exhibition.

 

[TMF]

Yes you're free to form an opinion as moronic as it may be and even espouse that view on the internet if you wish.

Everyone else knows that exhibitions tournaments don't grant ranking points :lol:

It's amusing that NatF continue to humiliate DRII again and again.


http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Rankings-FAQ.aspx

 

[kiki]

What is the most Most Prestigious Grand Slam Tennis Tournament ?

1.Wimbledon
2.U.S. Open
3.French Open
4.Australian Open

Not that I usually defend frenchies but...what is your argument for placing the US Open ABOVE the French Open? ( other than classical US patriotism mixed with swallowing everything media throw at you?)

I do generaly agree on number one and number four, however

 

[jg153040]

Not that I usually defend frenchies but...what is your argument for placing the US Open ABOVE the French Open? ( other than classical US patriotism mixed with swallowing everything media throw at you?)

I do generaly agree on number one and number four, however

I don't know about him but my argument is that I'm a big Fed fan and I want Fed to look better. And he looks better if USO is above FO.

But I assure you, I'm objective. If Fed won tons of FOs, I would have put FO above USO. So, you see I can change my mind when proven wrong.

 

[TMF]

Not that I usually defend frenchies but...what is your argument for placing the US Open ABOVE the French Open? ( other than classical US patriotism mixed with swallowing everything media throw at you?)

I do generaly agree on number one and number four, however

They use a survey that asked 108 top players to rank the slams in order of prestige:

1.Wimbledon
2.U.S. Open
3.French Open
4.Australian Open

The FO has lower in media hit and prize money than the USO.

 

[FedererWinsWimbledon2014]

They use a survey that asked 108 top players to rank the slams in order of prestige:

1.Wimbledon
2.U.S. Open
3.French Open
4.Australian Open

The FO has lower in media hit and prize money than the USO.

The French and US are very tight. There is no real difference. Australia is number 4 and Wimbledon is of course the most prestigious.

Anyone who disputes Wimbledon's status is either deluded or stupid or a hater or a troll.

It like in golf somebody saying the PGA is equal to The Masters. lol

 

[TMF]

Borg 2 YE #1:
1979*: 84-6(92%); 2 slams, 2 slam finals, YEC, 13 titles
1980*: 70-6(92%); 2 slams, 3 slam finals, YEC, 9 titles

*Borg only played 3 slams(no AO) in those years.

 

[TMF]

Both players now have 3 YE #1

Nadal 3 YE #1:
2008: 82-11(88%); 2 slams, 2 slam finals, 8 titles
2010: 71-10(88%); 3 slams, 3 slam finals, 7 titles
2013: 75-7(91%); 2 slams, 3 slam finals, 10 titles


Nole 2 YE #1:
2011: 70-6(92%); 3 slams, 3 slam finals, 10 titles
2012: 75-12(86%); 1 slams, 3 slam finals, YEC, 6 titles
2014: 60-8(88%); 1 slams, 2 slam finals, YEC(?), 6 or 7 titles


Let say Nole wins the WTF this year since he's the favorite and is likely to win, Nadal 3 years #1 is more impressive than Nole.

Total:
Nadal:7 slams, 8 slam finals, 0 YEC, 25 titles
Nole:5 slams, 8 slam finals, 2 YEC, 23 titles

 

[tennisaddict]

Both players now have 3 YE #1

Nadal 3 YE #1:
2008: 82-11(88%); 2 slams, 2 slam finals, 8 titles
2010: 71-10(88%); 3 slams, 3 slam finals, 7 titles
2013: 75-7(91%); 2 slams, 3 slam finals, 10 titles


Nole 2 YE #1:
2011: 70-6(92%); 3 slams, 3 slam finals, 10 titles
2012: 75-12(86%); 1 slams, 3 slam finals, YEC, 6 titles
2014: 60-8(88%); 1 slams, 2 slam finals, YEC(?), 6 or 7 titles


Let say Nole wins the WTF this year since he's the favorite and is likely to win, Nadal 3 years #1 is more impressive than Nole.

Total:
Nadal:7 slams, 8 slam finals, 0 YEC, 25 titles
Nole:5 slams, 8 slam finals, 2 YEC, 23 titles

Nadal's years are far superior. No contest.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Which 2 slam finals did Nadal reach in 2008?

 

[Mr.Snrub]

He's not counting finals separate from wins. He's saying Nadal made 2 finals in 2008, win or lose.

Why didn't you ask how Nole made 3 slam finals and won 3 slams in 2011? Your hate is showing.