Not impressed with Thiem

gn

G.O.A.T.
He is only 24 and reached couple of Majors Semi-Finals. There is still time left in his career to improve his game. Got some time to watch him yesterday. It reminded me why his game can be frustrating to watch. He plays a great point then follows it up with stupid error. I hope he finds someone who helps him to fix this problem.
Then again, what do we know? Most of us are keyboard warriors anyway - poasting about a player on spare time.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
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No hating on #FlipFlops&Spaghetti on my watch! :D
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Actually you're right and I apologize. He has reached the 4th round and the SF. I was looking at doubles results. When I'm incorrect, I say so. But, even so, he has poor results for someone who's 24, and has never reached one SLAM final. In particular, his record at Wimbledon is really poor, and he only reached the 4thR once. He does his best work at the French.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
Actually you're right and I apologize. He has reached the 4th round and the SF. I was looking at doubles results. When I'm incorrect, I say so. But, even so, he has poor results for someone who's 24, and has never reached one SLAM final. In particular, his record at Wimbledon is really poor, and he only reached the 4thR once. He does his best work at the French.
ah, the tt mob has gotten to you to i see

nothing, no one is safe
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Thiem is similar to the other Austrian Thomas Muster. They are both 1 handers and power baseline players. Muster won RG and that's Thiem's best chance at a slam too. Muster didn't fare well at Wimbledon and I don't think Thiem will either. Them is a bit of a bull and Muster was too.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Trust me, this dude will dominate tennis. His style and game translates to tennis.

He has the professionalism, work ethic (essential to improve everywhere and become an all courter), he has the strokes on both wings, the power, the fitness. He will be the leader of his generation and guys under it.

Stop with this short term thinking and think about the potential. Thread after thread is just garbage after garbage dealing in recency bias.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Trust me, this dude will dominate tennis. His style and game translates to tennis.

He has the professionalism, work ethic (essential to improve everywhere and become an all courter), he has the strokes on both wings, the power, the fitness. He will be the leader of his generation and guys under it.

Stop with this short term thinking and think about the potential. Thread after thread is just garbage after garbage dealing in recency bias.

Dunno what your avi is but I like it :)
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Well for starters he’s made it past R2 in a number of slams and has made back to back SFs at RG.

I agree that he doesn’t have much in the way of tennis IQ though. His shot selection is horrendous.

My ceiling for him is 1 RG title in all honesty. If he does better than that I’ll be impressed especially if he can win one of the other 3 majors. I don’t have high hopes of him doing that, but I really do hope he proves me wrong.
I was shocked at the disparity in W/L from clay to hard.

Watching him return serve from so far back the ball is knee high is sad.

On the plus side, obviously a hard worker and seems to behave.

Time will tell if he can modify his game - a la Stanimal - and win a few Majors.
 
It's a little concerning when Thiem is touted a future slam winner but produces a 4-6, 0-6 result against Verdasco on clay.
 

rushhr

Rookie
he's sort of like a young ron jeremy. possesses the right tools, but doesn't know how to use them.

i expect him to continue improving and make a slam final and maybe win a slam or two in the future.
 
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Deleted member 307496

Guest
I swear that every player who can't win 20 Slams but still somehow has fans (which apparently people cannot comprehend) is overrated.
If Mugray is one of the one's you're referring to it's because dudes like you go on and on about the guy when there's simply nothing special about him.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Wait you mean he almost didn't get straight setted by a 30 year old man with no backhand after 8 major surgeries?
Well Delpo is still 29 assuming I get your reference and of course Del Possum did expose Fraud in the next round rather nicely.:p

If you're still buying the Del Possum story at this point well please get help.;)
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
If there was ever a player that was overhyped, it is Shapo. At least Thiem has a couple deep runs at slams, and Zverev has two masters titles. Only thing Shapo has is he beat Nadal once, but same was true of Coric at the same age (18).
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
If there was ever a player that was overhyped, it is Shapo. At least Thiem has a couple deep runs at slams, and Zverev has two masters titles. Only thing Shapo has is he beat Nadal once, but same was true of Coric at the same age (18).
Also beat Tsonga, Del Potro, Mannerino, and is the youngest semi-finalist in a Masters 1000, reached Round of 16 at US Open, RECEIVED two ATP awards in his first year, made the Next Gen finals, and spearheaded Canada's win over India in Davis Cup. Also, got Canada's only win against Serbia in Davis Cup. Last year at this time he was 250 and now he's 44. So, you're right, not much at all.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
We don't really know what Shapo is yet. Thiem is in a completely different spot. He will never be an ATG I get that, but his results to this point in his career have been pretty underwhelming tbh. A couple RG SFs (which he got smoked in), but nothing mind blowing.

Shapo OTOH could be 4-5 years away from being in his prime. Completely different situations.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Trust me, this dude will dominate tennis. His style and game translates to tennis.

He has the professionalism, work ethic (essential to improve everywhere and become an all courter), he has the strokes on both wings, the power, the fitness. He will be the leader of his generation and guys under it.

Stop with this short term thinking and think about the potential. Thread after thread is just garbage after garbage dealing in recency bias.

His swings are pretty big and he depends a LOT on heavy spin off the ground and the serve. Usually those types of players don't dominate on fast court like grass and current AusOpen hard courts.

His best shot is RG and slower hard courts. Even if he improves and wins RG, I would think he may never win Wimby due to his style of play.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
With all this chatter of overrated and underrated I think what sometimes gets lost is the standard against which people rate players.

Overrated compared to whom?

Overrated by those on boards like this one, where certain members were selling him (and other ATP players of his generations) as the next great thing, but he's failed to win even a single major in a field largely dominated by the Grandfather Generation.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
have you seen thiem play once or more than once? op is confusing. if it is just once, how can you rate him at all? and how can you go ~5 years without seeing a dominic thiem match??
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
I had heard a lot about him, but didn't see him play until recently. I realize a lot of people will disagree with my analysis, but that's fine, its' what this discussion forum is for. Here is what I see. He's a young guy in great shape, and in fact, he's very muscular, which means he generates a lot of power. To me, that's all he does. There is no style or finesse in his game. He grunts and forces the person to retrieve a ball which he hits as hard as possible. That is all I see. A brute on the court. Maybe I'm wrong. But, the few times I've seen him, that's all I see. He's 24 years old and hasn't gone past the 2R in even 1 Grand Slam. He's managed to win a few titles which is good, but honestly, I think this guy is highly over-rated, and I don't enjoy his game one bit.

He's not exactly young in tennis terms - he's 25.

He's not muscular either.

His style is suited for slower surfaces esp. clay. When he takes back his racket for a forehand, his racket tip points towards the opponent (not towards the sky) allowing him that huge whip to generate top spin. It requires a lot of reps and training to nail that kind of a forehand. His forehand is heavy and huge - once that gets going, he's on the offensive.

His backhand is much bigger than someone like Federer - at least 15-20mph more. Perhaps not as reliable as Stan W but a very potent shot.

His serve is a bit one dimensional - he specialises in kick serves. Don't get me wrong. It's huge but not a lot of variety.

He's known as someone who practices and trains a lot. No one can doubt his work ethic.


What's not to like? His best chance is to win a Clay Slam but I think he will have a Stan W like career. I like him.

PS: He played the final against Nadal 2018 French Open.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Also beat Tsonga, Del Potro, Mannerino, and is the youngest semi-finalist in a Masters 1000, reached Round of 16 at US Open, RECEIVED two ATP awards in his first year, made the Next Gen finals, and spearheaded Canada's win over India in Davis Cup. Also, got Canada's only win against Serbia in Davis Cup. Last year at this time he was 250 and now he's 44. So, you're right, not much at all.
In other words, Shapovalov is overrated. Never will win a Slam.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
In other words, Shapovalov is overrated. Never will win a Slam.

Shapo has still lot of work ahead of him. He's a good player and a great talent but he needs upgrade on many fields. ATM IMO he's far from winning a slam. But he has a huge time ahead of him to accomplish himself as a player.
 
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Red Rick

Bionic Poster
He's not exactly young in tennis terms - he's 25.

He's not muscular either.

His style is suited for slower surfaces esp. clay. When he takes back his racket for a forehand, his racket tip points towards the opponent (not towards the sky) allowing him that huge whip to generate top spin. It requires a lot of reps and training to nail that kind of a forehand. His forehand is heavy and huge - once that gets going, he's on the offensive.

His backhand is much bigger than someone like Federer - at least 15-20mph more. Perhaps not as reliable as Stan W but a very potent shot.

His serve is a bit one dimensional - he specialises in kick serves. Don't get me wrong. It's huge but not a lot of variety.

He's known as someone who practices and trains a lot. No one can doubt his work ethic.


What's not to like? His best chance is to win a Clay Slam but I think he will have a Stan W like career. I like him.

PS: He played the final against Nadal 2018 French Open.
Don't let looks deceive you. Thiem is brutally strong.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
That being said, Thiem is underrated IMO ;)

Yeah, but perhaps there is a reason why he didn't do more during his last seasons?

He has a lot of qualities. lot of strong sides. I'll be frank, I didn't watch him recently at all. Couple of seasons ago, reading of opponent shots was his big weakness. He was able to compensate that on slower conditions courts with his great footwork speed and hitting on the run. He was not able to compensate that at faster courts/conditions and top players were able to take advantage of it on faster courts.

What's the current situation and how he fares now on faster courts/conditions? Did he succeed to improve in this respect? Is he ready to play at top level in such conditions, or he still lacks there?
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
Actually you're right and I apologize. He has reached the 4th round and the SF. I was looking at doubles results. When I'm incorrect, I say so. But, even so, he has poor results for someone who's 24, and has never reached one SLAM final. In particular, his record at Wimbledon is really poor, and he only reached the 4thR once. He does his best work at the French.

I'm talking out my arse, but, even so,...stfu...
 

Luis88

New User
Actually you're right and I apologize. He has reached the 4th round and the SF. I was looking at doubles results. When I'm incorrect, I say so. But, even so, he has poor results for someone who's 24, and has never reached one SLAM final. In particular, his record at Wimbledon is really poor, and he only reached the 4thR once. He does his best work at the French.

Yikes. Denial much? I would rather watch Thiem play then half ass Kyrgios who can only whine. Thiem works hard and improves everyday. Nobody expected him to be all time great. But he's accomplished way more than Kyrgios did. One of the hardest worker on tour. Opelka is the extreme boredom you're seeking. Go bash on him (guess now you'll have to look up Opelka, too?).
 
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