Not seeing results in my cutting phase, need new diet. Please help

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I've been doing HIIT 3 times a week for the past 3 or so weeks. While I'm noticeably faster and my endurance is slightly better, I'm not seeing the drastic physical transformation that people swear by. I'd say I have a pretty clean diet, and I even lift weights 3 times per week.

For weight lifting, I only do these compound exercises: Parallel dips, overhead press, barbell row, bench press, deadlift, squat. And HIIT on the off-days.

I think it's my diet that is sinking my results, but I put it 100% effort into all my exercise. Here's what I have so far:

Meal 1 (Breakfast): Cereal, 1 banana, 1 scoop of protein with water, small cup of oatmeal

Meal 2 (Snack #1): handful of almonds, yogurt

Meal 3 (Lunch): Turkey and cheese sandwich, apple, yogurt

Meal 4 (Snack #2): cottage cheese, small cup of oatmeal

Meal 5 (Post workout meal): Protein shake with a banana

Meal 6 (Dinner); Whatever mom makes, usually a combination of chicken with soup

Thanks for the help
 
^^ Why don't you tell us your approx bodyfat percentage now, how much you currently weigh, how tall you are, and how much weight (fat) you wish to cut.

If you are trying to go from 30% bf to 18%, that is different than going from 12% to 7% for example.
 
^^ Why don't you tell us your approx bodyfat percentage now, how much you currently weigh, how tall you are, and how much weight (fat) you wish to cut.

If you are trying to go from 30% bf to 18%, that is different than going from 12% to 7% for example.

Honestly, I don't know my body fat percentage. I weight 178 and I'm 5' 9". Back in high school (several years ago) I was into weight lifting and put on some muscle mass, but never bothered to get rid of the fat covering it.
 
If you plateau while you're cutting you probably need to do one of three things:

Eat less (caloric intake), do more cardio, or eat better

In very simple terms, to cut weight you have to burn more than you eat. Why are you not doing cardio every day?

Once you plateau with that, you can get better results by eating better. There are different types of carbs with different effects on your body. I suggest http://www.glycemicindex.com/ as a resrouce. Some of the best sources of carbs are brown rice and oatmeal. However, you can't just buy instant oatmeal and make it in the microwave; that stuff is horrible for you. You can either buy plain oatmeal in the big quaker tub, or what I prefer: http://www.quakeroats.com/products/oatmeal/weight-control/banana-bread.aspx
 
I've been doing HIIT 3 times a week for the past 3 or so weeks. While I'm noticeably faster and my endurance is slightly better, I'm not seeing the drastic physical transformation that people swear by. I'd say I have a pretty clean diet, and I even lift weights 3 times per week.

For weight lifting, I only do these compound exercises: Parallel dips, overhead press, barbell row, bench press, deadlift, squat. And HIIT on the off-days.

I think it's my diet that is sinking my results, but I put it 100% effort into all my exercise. Here's what I have so far:

Meal 1 (Breakfast): Cereal, 1 banana, 1 scoop of protein with water, small cup of oatmeal

Meal 2 (Snack #1): handful of almonds, yogurt

Meal 3 (Lunch): Turkey and cheese sandwich, apple, yogurt

Meal 4 (Snack #2): cottage cheese, small cup of oatmeal

Meal 5 (Post workout meal): Protein shake with a banana

Meal 6 (Dinner); Whatever mom makes, usually a combination of chicken with soup

Thanks for the help

I think you are doing fantastic right now.

Three weeks is not a long time to be on your HIIT program, so don't be disappointed that you are not seeing the weight just peel off. Some of what you hear is somewhat overblown. Also, you are trying to maintain your strength by continuing to lift, and I think that is sensible as well.

Constant, steady progress is the better road to building speed, maintaining strength, playing tennis and losing weight. Keep it up!
 
Honestly, I don't know my body fat percentage. I weight 178 and I'm 5' 9". Back in high school (several years ago) I was into weight lifting and put on some muscle mass, but never bothered to get rid of the fat covering it.

You are over 18 yrs. old with probably around 20% bodyfat I would guess.

12% - 15% bodyfat is pretty good for both performance and looks. Losing 15 pounds will get you in this range.

If you want those all important "6-pack abs", you are going to have to get down to single digit bodyfat levels. You would probably need to lose 25 pounds (or more).

The first 15 pounds will probably be relatively "easy". You could probably lose 1.5 pounds / week and get the job done in about 3 months if you work hard.

If you want to lose the next 10 pounds, that will probably prove much tougher. You would be lucky to lose 1 lb. / week. These next 10 pounds would probably take you another 3 months or so to lose.

Now, precisely how you go about losing the weight is another matter altogether. You need to estimate your "maintenance calories" (and there are several websites that have calculators that can help you). A simple rule of thumb for starters is to simply multiply your weight by 13 (178 * 13 = 2,300). For effective fat loss, you basically consume between 70% and 100% of that amount. You don't want to go too low or your metabolism will slow down. Most people have more luck varying their caloric intake (having "high" and "low" days).

Almost everyone will have to deal with their body slowing down their metabolism in response to cutting calories. Most people use "re-feed days" to reset their metabolism. You can look up what this means, but basically you eat big for a day so your body doesn't think you are trying to starve it. It will speed up your metabolism in response and then you can continue with the calorie restriction. If you don't do the re-feed's you will be fighting a tough battle as your body will continue to slow down your metabolism as you continue to cut calories. You'll know it is time for a re-feed when you are working your ass off on both diet and cardio and not seeing any results (sometimes you may actually be gaining weight). You will be frustrated and wondering WTF is going on. Answer is that your metabolism has slowed down and you need to get it back up to speed.

Next, you need to exercise (like you are doing). It isn't like HIIT is some magic weight-loss bullet. It is just one tool you can use. Play tennis, ride a bike, go for a run, or whatever else you feel like doing. You will get a feel for how much cardio is too much / too little / just right. Your body adapts, so usually you have to keeping upping the amount and / or intensity every so many weeks (and this adaptation varies by person).

Also, it is a good idea to lift weights (like you are doing) so you don't lose muscle as you diet. You don't need to do anything special or lift extremely heavy. Just simply workout 3 days / week or so. Make sure you work the entire body.

Dieting / fat loss is more about "punching the clock" everyday. There isn't any "magic" plan or magic food or magic pill or whatever. Just keep at it consistently and monitor the feedback you get from your body.

Generally for guys you will know if your weight loss (meaning your bathroom scale has a lower number today than it did last week) is fat loss by also using a tape measure in 3 areas: 1) Your waist just over your bellybutton; 2) Your illiac / belt line. This is just over your pelvis bone and just below your "love handles"; 3) Your hips at the widest protrusion of your buttocks.

If you are not seeing these 3 measurement decreasing, odds are that you are just losing water and other stuff, but not fat.

Good luck!!!
 
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Thanks so much for the help! I really appreciate it. I just wanted to make sure my diet looks alright though. The words of encouragement definitely help.
 
What type of yogurt and cereal are you eating? They might be really high in sugar. What are you drinking with your meals? This can be another source of high sugar intake.

You might want to try intermittent fasting or not eating for an hour or so after cardio. More tools for the weight loss toolbox.

On a side note, weight loss isn't linear. It happens in spurts. So be patient.
 
No I can't really explain it other than to say it has worked for me. Whenever I want to jump start weight loss, those methods have been helpful.

You might say it's all in my head and I'm simply cutting calories. Maybe.

Here is someone else explaining it (although not specifically in relation to weight loss):

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/post-workout-fasting/
 
No I can't really explain it other than to say it has worked for me. Whenever I want to jump start weight loss, those methods have been helpful.

That makes sense to me. I do lots of different things myself that just happen to work for me. Can't tell you why, they just do.

On the flip side, I've tried things that are "surefire" and "work for everyone" (like low carbs for example). Didn't work for me.

Everybody is different and it really pays to experiment with different things to see what actually works for you.

Many people love HIIT. For me, it was no better than anything else. I still do cycles of it, but just for a change, not because it is the most effective weight loss tool.
 
Also, what is your current caloric intake? You state what you eat, but not calorie content.

Just glancing through your menu, you're getting a lot of your calories from high calorie sources such as cheese/dairy and protein. You're probably getting a lot more calories than you think. If you are cutting there's really no need for a protein shake. And the dairy is not helping either. Yuck!

You should be eating more plants, which are very filling and cut down your calories while keeping nutrition high.

^^ Why don't you tell us your approx bodyfat percentage now, how much you currently weigh, how tall you are, and how much weight (fat) you wish to cut.

If you are trying to go from 30% bf to 18%, that is different than going from 12% to 7% for example.
 
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What kind of meat and vegetables can I eat that are ready to consume without any preparation involved? My parents are out of the house for the majority of the day and I've got my duties to stick to, so I don't have much time to spend in the kitchen preparing elaborate meals.
 
By any chance do you have a gas grill? Grilling is fast and for some reason grilling doesn't seem like work for most guys. Even enjoyable. Chicken tenders/breast, lean sirloin tips, salmon, lean burgers -fire them on the grill for 5-10 minutes. And it doesn't take much time to cut up an onion and pepper, grill it while the meat is on then eat like a king! Make a double batch, leave it in the fridge and microwave it up in another day or two.

Throw some lettuce and tomato slices on that turkey and cheese sandwich.

I start every evening meal with a salad. You can buy bags of lettuce already shredded, throw on a couple of cherry tomatoes and some of that leftover chicken breast you grilled up before and you've got that salad.
 
Looking at what you eat again, it seems almost certain you are well over 2000 calories a day. You may think you are eating low calories, but you are not.

I don't see the point of consuming so much extra protein along with so much dairy if you are trying to cut. Focus on whole grain carbs, and fruits and vegetables.
 
This **** is ****ing frustrating. ****!!!

Alright, here's my second attempt at making things better

Meal 1 (Breakfast): Cereal, small cup of nonfat yogurt

Meal 2 (Snack #1): Apple, ounce of almonds

Meal 3 (Lunch): Two slices of whole-grain bread with a can of tuna

Meal 4 (Snack #2): Small cup of oatmeal

After workout (I don't consider this a meal): Scoop of whey protein with water

Meal 5 (Dinner): Chicken or some sort or soup

Meal 6: Just a little bit of cottage cheese OR another apple

I'm still working on getting veggies and more lean meat in there. Does the above diet look better at all? I understand I need to cut the dairy but I until I find a substitute I'll stick with this
 
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I still think you are getting too frustrated for what you have to accept as will be slow, steady progress. You are clealy giving this your all. With lifting and HIIT you are replacing some body fat pounds with muscle pounds. As time goes by you are going to be tweaking your diet for the better as you have done, and I suspect you are/will be doing the same for your workouts and tennis sessions Step back and pat yourself on the back for actually working so hard. Lots of people TALK about getting a better diet and getting stronger and faster. You are actually doing it. Congratulations.
 
Thanks so much for the help! I really appreciate it. I just wanted to make sure my diet looks alright though. The words of encouragement definitely help.

You're doing great. I'd do cardio 5 times a week but vary it, elliptical, stationary bike, run, play tennis, singles, whatever. The caloric advice you were given about multiplying your weight by 13 sounded good. Stick with lean sources of protein, low fat diary, yogurt, cottage cheese, complex carbohydrates, plenty of water and I also like the re-feed concept to keep your body from thinking that it is starving as you were advised earlier.

Also whatever healthy changes you implement should become lifelong habits not quick fixes. I went from 215 to 175, I'm 6' 2", but it took about 6 months. I cut out all fast food and soda completely and lifted 3 times a week and did cardio 6 times a week. Now I drink soda occasionally but I play tennis at least 12 hours a week and I still ride an exercise bike a couple of days a week and I've kept the weight off at 41 years of age. You can do it!
 
This **** is ****ing frustrating. ****!!!

Alright, here's my second attempt at making things better

Does the above diet look better at all?

Are you achieving your goals? (Do you have goals)?

Are your goals realistic? (Do you even know what realistic means for you?)

With lifting and HIIT you are replacing some body fat pounds with muscle pounds.

I am interested in people's opinions on this statement. Do you think this is likely (true) or unlikely (false)?
 
This is getting frustrating for you because you are not following some very simple recommendations. First, count your calories. Second, eliminate dairy. Third, you don't need an entire can of tuna. Nor do you need to carbo load. Nor do you need protein supplements.

Your eating plan is completely crazy for cutting. In fact, you are doing the exact opposite.

How are you "working" on adding fruits and veggies? By not eating them?

Plan on gaining weight with your current eating plan. Oh, and plan on getting frustrated. A lot.

It seems like you lack either a) any fundamental basic understanding of nutrition, or b) refuse or unable to understand simple directions, or c) both.

This **** is ****ing frustrating. ****!!!

Alright, here's my second attempt at making things better

Meal 1 (Breakfast): Cereal, small cup of nonfat yogurt

Meal 2 (Snack #1): Apple, ounce of almonds

Meal 3 (Lunch): Two slices of whole-grain bread with a can of tuna

Meal 4 (Snack #2): Small cup of oatmeal

After workout (I don't consider this a meal): Scoop of whey protein with water

Meal 5 (Dinner): Chicken or some sort or soup

Meal 6: Just a little bit of cottage cheese OR another apple

I'm still working on getting veggies and more lean meat in there. Does the above diet look better at all? I understand I need to cut the dairy but I until I find a substitute I'll stick with this
 
This **** is ****ing frustrating. ****!!!

Alright, here's my second attempt at making things better

Meal 1 (Breakfast): Steel cut oatmeal, 5 egg whites, 1 tsp almond butter

Meal 2 (Snack #1): Cottage cheese, 1/2 cup rasberries

Meal 3 (Lunch): Two slices of whole-grain bread with a can of tuna

Meal 4 (Snack #2): 14 almonds ( not sure how close to workout you are?)

After workout (I don't consider this a meal): Whey with 20-30 grams dextrose- your muscles will soak it up whether effect is for weight gain or loss. Or eat 1-2 cups green beans

Meal 5 (Dinner): 1 chicken breast- salad with dried cranberries, and almond slivers- oilive oil and rice wine vinegar.

Meal 6: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, almond slivers 1 tsp peanut butter


WITH every meal you should be getting 1-2 cups veggies/ green beans or asparagus- cheap and easy


I just changed it- you should eat your good carbs in the morning---
 
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Easy big fella...

Lots of those fad or crash diets will have people raving about how they dropped some miraculous number of pounds in maybe two weeks. I've talked to a couple of medical professionals about this issue and it's no big mystery. Any freaky new diet will make a person drop a few pounds in a hurry, but then the long term adjustment sets in and things even out.

In your case, don't worry about a few weeks to see significant change. Stay focused and figure on maybe two solid months. Even better, give it three months to really make some progress. Stay away from the junk in your diet and you'll be fine.
 
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