Ganstaz003
Rookie
So if peak version of Novak Djokovic from 2011's US Open final played peak version of Rafael Nadal from 2013's US open final and tournament, who would win?
Novak Djokovic (2011 US Open) vs Rafael Nadal (2013 US Open), who wins?
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Djokovic in 4 tight sets.
TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
2011 Djokovic, not much doubt IMO.
If you said 2010 Nadal instead, that would have been very tight.
If you said 2010 Nadal instead, that would have been very tight.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
2013 Djokovic > 2015 Djokovic and 2013 Djokovic is the same as 2011 Djokovic so I'll go with Nadal in 4. The difference is Nadal would get Djokovic in a chokehold like he did at the USO 2013 meaning even a well playing Novak wouldn't be able to play his game because Nadal would be hitting forehand down the lines one after another.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Only 2010 Nadal would stand a chance against 2011 Djokovic.
2011 Nadal wasn't far from 2013 Nadal and he had to go to hell and back to even take a set from Djokovic who then breadsticked him despite having no serve.
2011 Nadal wasn't far from 2013 Nadal and he had to go to hell and back to even take a set from Djokovic who then breadsticked him despite having no serve.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
Nadal breadsticked Djokovic in 2013 too lol
In 2011 Nadal didn't have his deadly FH DTL. Care to explain how Novak would handle those bombs when he's always struggled to do so? USO is a high bouncing surface, those forehands will rip through Novak's FH giving him no angles to do anything due to sheer power.
abmk
Bionic Poster
oh look , we have a new troll who believes that djokovic spraying UE after UE for 2 sets in 2013 is the same as djok in 11 who was playing at his best and completely outplaying nadal.
jeez, what a surprise !
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
When Djokovic already gave up on the match and was spraying errors left right and centre. Nadal invested 30000% of his energy to win one set. Besides, Nadal's form in 2011 was a lot better than Djokovic's in 2013.
You have a very short memory.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
So did Djokovic in set 2 and even set 3 but he lost that against a clutch Nadal.
Well care to explain then? Go watch the USO 2013 highlights and you'll see Djokovic struggling to handle the FH DTL's from Nadal when they're zipping through the court. When he brings that against 2011 Djokovic, what can he do? Nadal didn't have his FH DTL shot in 2011 as good as 2013. This was the biggest improvement he made to start beating Djokovic.
TennisATP
Professional
We have not seen Nadal's peak yet.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
wtf, Djokovic didn't lose his advantage because he was tired, go watch both matches again cause you're talking s**t
Highlights rarely tell the story. That's why they are called HIGHLIGHTS, not MATCH SUMMARY
Djokovic had to come down to earth for Nadal to start beating him again, who are you fooling.
Same thing with Djokovic's BH DTL, it wasn't even 1/5 as good in 2013 as it was in 2011. We can play all day. A confident peak Djokovic isn't losing to Nadal on any hard court.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
He gave everything in set 2 and 3 and was only able to win one set then got breadsticked in the last set because Nadal molly whopped him.
Well if you wanna watch the whole match then go ahead but normal people will watch highlights to get a point across.
Nadal leads 2-1 at the USO where Nadal beat Djokovic in his peak years and is 2-2 across all HC slams. Djokovic had to go 5 sets on his favourite surface to beat Nadal at the AO. Nadal will have plenty of chances son.
C
Charlie
Guest
Even extended highlights have like 25% of all points. They are awesome to watch but you can't judge the entire match properly based on them alone.
abmk
Bionic Poster
it was because djokvoic went on a ****ty UE fest in the last set.
only a moron can believe 2010 was djokovic's prime , let alone peak. (2010 was djokovic's worst year from 2007-2016)
from 2011-2013, it was 2-1 in HC slams in favour of djokovic when both were in their primes.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Because that's what the 3 points in the highlights said LMAO.
Either rewatch the whole match (because you clearly either didn't see it or don't remember it) or keep getting exposed further. Highlights don't tell the full story, you only see flashy winners (which Djokovic hit a bunch of himself, even more than Nadal) but never the errors.
If you wanna base your opinion of a particular match on highlights then the only person you will get your point across is to a 7-year old with a cold.
Oh s**t here comes the h2h again.
2-2 at the US Open, 6-1 at the AO, 5-0 at the WTF. I rest my case.
TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
Good, that's one match. Now let's talk about the rest of their AO matches during Djokovic's domination... Ooops, error 404: Nadal not found. What a surprise.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't insult the 2015 Machine and 2011 Monster by putting them on the level of 2013 Choker.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
Are you purposefully being obtuse? I said people watch highlights to get a point across. I'm not going to rewatch the whole match to get a single point across about Nadal zipping his FH DTL winners against Djokovic when it's crystal clear that's what he was doing and Djokovic was struggling with the topspin and the power generated from it, no one does that. Maybe you should to that since you have 0 clue about the 2013 USO final and the difference between the two Nadals.
You claim yourself to be a "tennis pro" but I haven't seen any technical knowledge come from you.
What are these imaginary numbers? lol
2-2 at HC slams. Those are facts. And Nadal leads 2-1 at the USO.
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
Lol mate you're lucky Nadal got injured at the AO 2014 otherwise it would've been a 4 set victory if Djokovic beat Stan.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
Yeah right.
Nadal didn't make it to Djokovic in 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016. Am I about to hear that he would have beaten Novak in all those years if he was healthy?
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
Yeah right.
Nadal didn't make it to Djokovic in 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016. Am I about to hear that he would have beaten Novak in all those years if he was healthy?
Nope. Just 2014. It's pretty clear who was more confident and in better form in that tournament.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
As evidenced by Wawrinka barely scraping past Djokovic in the QF and then butchering Nadal in the final (would've been straight sets if Stan didn't lose focus and finished the job in 3 like he should)
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Have you ever played a visibly injured opponent? You lose all your focus. Actually, Nadal played a lot better in the 4th set than he did in the 3rd but Wawrinka finally got his act together after spraying dumb errors in the 3rd.
But of course I don't expect you to know this based on the 3 points you saw in the highlights.
If Nadal didn't perform a circus the match would've been done in 80 minutes.
projectone7
Rookie
How are you still here?
abmk
Bionic Poster
yes, it was djokovic. Stan and him went late in the 5th set for the match to be decided.
Djokovic would have beat nadal easily had they met in AO 14.
Nadal would have got one set tops.
Stan was beating nadal badly even before the MTO and would've win regardless.
Lol at those who say Nadal would have no chance. 2013 Nadal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2011 Nadal. If in 2011 with Wozniacki's serve he managed to take a set then in 2013 with actually GOOD serve (let alone the other shots) he would be able to give an even better fight.
Oh look, we have a new troll who believes that Nadal serving on WTA level and having no weapons in 2011 is the same as 2013 Nadal who actually had a great serve and a great down the line forehand and was completely outplaying Djokovic.
abmk
Bionic Poster
except I didn't mention anything of that sort. nadal in USO 2013 final was better than he was in USO 2011.
nadal in 2013 USO final served well, but nothing approaching great, unlike in USO 2010.
also, delusional to say nadal had no weapons in USO 2011. His return and ground game were pretty good, even if ground game was not as good as USO 10/13.
USO 11 Novak final performance is comparable to USO 10 Nadal final performance.
the USO 13 final performance of nadal should be compared with 15 USO final performance of djokovic, not USO 11 final performance from Novak, if you ask me.
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underground
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic clearly, he wasn't even that far away in 2013 (mainly due to his un-clutchness).
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
2011 in four tight sets
Djokovic had opportunities in the 2013 match to go up 2 sets to 1
2011 Djokovic doesn't waste those opportunities he took it to Nadal in that match instead of choking and hitting unforced error after unforced error
Some of that was due to Rafa being clutch though
Rafa also played better in the 2013 final and had bigger weapons
Think Djokovic wins something like 6-4 7-5 5-7 6-3
Djokovic had opportunities in the 2013 match to go up 2 sets to 1
2011 Djokovic doesn't waste those opportunities he took it to Nadal in that match instead of choking and hitting unforced error after unforced error
Some of that was due to Rafa being clutch though
Rafa also played better in the 2013 final and had bigger weapons
Think Djokovic wins something like 6-4 7-5 5-7 6-3
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
2011 Djokovic should have lost in the semifinal but got lucky against Federer. 2013 Nadal knows how to beat Djokovic.
Nadal said in that in the locker room before the 2011 final he didn't believe he could beat novak .
And that's the difference in 2013 he does believe he can beat him. and has the game plan unlike 2011 he didn't have it.
I think nadal 2013 finds a way to win somehow in 5 vs 2011 novak .
And that's the difference in 2013 he does believe he can beat him. and has the game plan unlike 2011 he didn't have it.
I think nadal 2013 finds a way to win somehow in 5 vs 2011 novak .
Nadal 2011 took leads in the 1st 2 sets in 2011 , a better 2013 playing Rafa doesn't lose that lead
DUH!!!
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Don't really know what makes everyone so certain this is such a sure thing. Did Novak just randomly show up to the final in 2013 and lose his freaking mind, or did that happen because Nadal played him in a way that made him uncomfortable, just the same way that Gilles Simon did in Australia last year, or as Federer did in Paris in 2011?
As has been mentioned, Rafa got early breaks in the first couple of sets in 2011, the far more confident, and assured Nadal of 2013 isn't going to be capable of doing anything similar/better when the 2011 version who by that point was basically Djokovic's pigeon managed that much?
As has been mentioned, Rafa got early breaks in the first couple of sets in 2011, the far more confident, and assured Nadal of 2013 isn't going to be capable of doing anything similar/better when the 2011 version who by that point was basically Djokovic's pigeon managed that much?
SABRvolley
Rookie
2011 Djokovic easily. 2013 Nadal was good but 2011 Djokovic was on another planet
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