WeekendTennisHack
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I agree he did in 2017/2018, but Djokovic is always 6 years younger, will always benefit more.
Novak Djokovic breaks record for most weeks as world number one tennis player
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I agree he did in 2017/2018, but Djokovic is always 6 years younger, will always benefit more.
WeekendTennisHack
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And? It means he was an amazing player in Fed's peak. Djokovic had no one in 2015, other than old Fed.
Djokovic was similar to Rune at the same age. Didn't fully break through for a couple of years.
If being the new Nadal means always injured it's still pretty good if he also racks up 20 plus Slams.
LaVie en Rose
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I read his match is scheduled tonight (CET)
Hitman
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OK. Will be watching.
itrium84
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And youngster Novak never benefited from 2003-2008 era.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
dr325i
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Federer started in 2003 and Novak showed up in 2008. Not immediately.
novak started domination in 2011 (first time #1) when both, Nadal, Federer, and Murray were very much live and kicking at high levels.
WeekendTennisHack
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Dude, you're being delusional. And where was Rune at the AO after his big victory of Djokovic? Straight sets loss to a nobody. So much for Rune and all the others. It's a different time.
WeekendTennisHack
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And youngster Novak never benefited from 2003-2008 era.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
How could he? He was losing to Roddick. Those guys were too good for him and especially better than today's competition.
WeekendTennisHack
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Fed really started in 2004 and Djokovic pretty much showed up in 2007 beat Fed at M1000 and reaching the USO final. That was his coming out party which he followed up with the AO08 title. That's pretty much 3 years. Fed also had Nadal already stopping him in 2005.
Who did Djokovic have that was one generation younger and consistently challenging him in 2015 to 2023? That's 8 years. Nada. (No pun intended).
It doesn't have to be immediate.
dr325i
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2015-2021 he had both Nadal and Federer. In fact, Nadal has won 8 slams during that period and RF 3. That is 11 slams during those 6 years.
True, no consistent younger generation challenge during those years however, more than a challenge from those two.
itrium84
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I agree.
It's similar to Federer's case - starting from AO2018, the field became too strong for him, too much of hard and strong competition, so he was unable to win any slam. Only tier 1 ATGs like Nadal and Novak were good enough to win slams against these younger generations that would eat Roddick for breakfast.
Djokodalerer31
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Found this pic on a facebook page.
Seems funny, mixed up men and women.
6 men and 6 women! Balanced as all things should be!
Razer
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Nadal is surrounded by 3 beautiful women, I like his position.
WeekendTennisHack
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In any case Rune is 15 years Djokovic's junior. Djokovic has had no ATGs 5 years younger to 10 years younger. Fed had TWO of them. Such a younger ATG would have easily curbed Djokovic slam count way before 20. Even more if there were two of them.
WeekendTennisHack
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I said YOUNGER, can't you guys read? He has no one.
WeekendTennisHack
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I agree.
It's similar to Federer's case - starting from AO2018, the field became too strong for him, too much of hard and strong competition, so he was unable to win any slam. Only tier 1 ATGs like Nadal and Novak were good enough to win slams against these younger generations that would eat Roddick for breakfast.
Not similar to Federer at all. Fed almost immediately had two ATGs challenging him. Djokovic has had no one younger challenging him for 15 years. It's a surprise he isn't on 30 slams already.
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itrium84
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Well, you expect too much, even from a GOAT.
2011 Djokovic isn't almost immediately, at that stage Federer already had 16 slams
Nadal wasn't a challenge on grass until 2007 and on hard court until 2009,Djokovic wasn't even on the map before 2007
And both Rafa and Djoko had to deal with the Federer juggernaut their whole career. Its really amazing they not only surpassed him while he was the best player in the world but beat his crazy slam record.
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So you really think that young guys like Novak and Rafa just popping up every 5 years? Fed was a great player and achieved so much but you have to understand, players like these two are being born once in a century, if not for, much, much longer period of time...
still have the gall to mention roddick, bagdhatis when you see the clowns and bums djokovic has gone through for 3 years straight now. not to mention his main rival being slow old frderer since 2015-2019
2003-2008 era? plenty of players from this period would be taking slams from 2020-2023 djokodalAnd youngster Novak never benefited from 2003-2008 era.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
if 03-07 is a 5/10 mediocre era, then 2020-2023 must be 2/10.
also 03,04,05,06 is 4 seasons.Djokovic has had 2015,2016,2019,2020,2021,2022, 2023 that’s 7crap to mediocre years to feast on. 07 is head and shoulders above these type of years
all of what I put is literally what happened. he’s the luckiest player everThis is a good twist - most complete, most successful and greatest tennis career is a.... fluke.
Novak is just a 22 slam wonder
itrium84
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Fed had all of this years also, except 2023. He just wasn't good enough to win more than 3 GS titles in this long period of many many chances. Simply not a GOAT material, I guess.
dr325i
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You said? And I confirmed what you said. Can you read???
And also, who cares about younger guys? I’ll take 2011-2015 Federer and Nadal over 2004 Nadal any day
2015 - 34 years old facing a peak atg
2016- year older same thing then injured
2018- injuries over grass/uso series
2019- 37/38 years old facing 2 younger atgs , injured his back at uso
2020- present injured
so no, he did not get to enjoy such the graveyard era due to injuries and having younger atgs as a roadblock too
that’s why his speed dropped and his shot tolerance went down a lot and he had to change rackets , of course. went from beating djokovic at slams to not being able to get a single win. obviously the fanboy argument djokovic 2 gud mate
dr325i
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Djokovic played 30% of tournaments last 2 years…because of….well…himself and politics.
“slow old Federer” then bam!, he wins a slam, then another one, then almost Wimbledon. You guys are laughable (not to say totally illiterate about tennis)
he still won 2 crap slams and looks likely to add to these. yes fed was slow, much slower than his peak and his shot tolerance went down. djoko fanbot calling anyone illiterate about tennis when you think 2015 federer was his peak. good one
itrium84
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They would win exactly 0 GS titles. Thiem, Med, Zed, Tsitsi, Sinner, Rune, Alkaraz would eat Roddick, Hewitt and Davydenko for breakfast.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. reminded me why not to engage with fanatics who started watching tennis in 2011
itrium84
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Your list makes Fed less great, you do realize that?
As long as you're legit capable of winning GS titles, you're ATG in your prime. It's simple. No excuses.
fed’s body breaking down more than djokovic did makes him less fit, not great. No one gives af about djokovic piling up a bunch of crap slams vs nobodies
itrium84
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Some people lose their temper after losing an argument, some people provide cringe laugh to mask the inconvenience.
Thank you for not losing your temper.
itrium84
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Excuses excuses...
things that actually happened are not excuses, ********
dr325i
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I never said 2015 was his peak…thanks for proving your illiteracy in one statement…
Second, I am not a Djokovic fan but give everyone praise when due…unlike “Fed Fans”…
His physical peak was before 2015, his mental peak, even in his own words, was in 2015 and after.
if, if....
itrium84
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Injury is not a valid excuse for low performance. It objectively makes you worse and less great player.
If it was legit excuse - I am absolute tennis GOAT, it's just that damn injuries prevented me to release my full potential and win 40 GS titles.
Poisoned Slice
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I doff my cap to him.
WeekendTennisHack
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No, he's underperformed given the competition.
WeekendTennisHack
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Nadal reached the final of Wimbledon in 2006 and took Fed to 4 sets. That's a challenge. Federer Juggernaut ended in 2007, so they hardly had to deal with it. Djokovic surpassed Fed because of vulturing in a weak era.
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WeekendTennisHack
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No, they don't have to be like Novak or Rafa, but can they at least pop up half as good? How about a Becker even? LOL. Or even another Murray. None of these losers of the current and past couple of era are even close.
WeekendTennisHack
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I said Younger, you confirmed nothing. Who cares about younger guys? LOL, you don't understand sports.
The real 'who cares' here, is who cares who you would take, you know nothing.
WeekendTennisHack
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Not really if. If Djokovic is 80 then any 20 year old pro tennis player will beat him....LOL scratch that.
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