Novak Djokovic calls for officials to show more respect

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/tennis/top-stories/Novak-Djokovic-calls-for-officials-to-show-more-respect/articleshow/55482351.cms

Djokovic was given a time violation by umpire Fergus Murphy when he took a lengthy pause after losing a long rally in the first set. The Serb responded by having an increasingly animated discussion with Murphy at the end of the game, which included Djokovic appearing to say the official "had no clue about the game".

"Every time that I'm late, if I get a so-called soft warning or pre-warning, I'll accept it and I won't say a word.

"But I think it's fair, correct and respectful towards the player and to the game if you go over the first time, let's say, over the limit, that you at least get a heads up.

"That's all I'm asking for, to be honest. I know that the rules are strict. But there should be a kind of a feel, a sense for the game.

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So, after knowing the rules are strict, now he wants the official to give him a cushion. He speaks of being fair but then also asks for a favour.

Not good sportsmanship and definitely won't help him with the people.
 

Tshooter

Legend
Yes, this again. The ATP board should make it clear to all the refs and the players that it's a hard rule. No more discretion at all. If you go over the time for any reason it's a violation.

Else we will continue to be "entertained" by these discussions between players, usually the top players who have the most clout, and the officials. It's probably used by players to blow off steam but still Murphy should have told Nole to pound sand. :mad:

And now I look forward to the same discussion concerning the fact that a hard rule in this regard is impractical. Whoever typically takes the ref needs to be flexible in enforcing the time rule you're up. :p
 
C

Chadillac

Guest
25 secs + another 20 bouncing the ball should be a time violation. The rule (start of service motion) should be when he starts his right arm, not his left.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/tennis/top-stories/Novak-Djokovic-calls-for-officials-to-show-more-respect/articleshow/55482351.cms

Djokovic was given a time violation by umpire Fergus Murphy when he took a lengthy pause after losing a long rally in the first set. The Serb responded by having an increasingly animated discussion with Murphy at the end of the game, which included Djokovic appearing to say the official "had no clue about the game".

"Every time that I'm late, if I get a so-called soft warning or pre-warning, I'll accept it and I won't say a word.

"But I think it's fair, correct and respectful towards the player and to the game if you go over the first time, let's say, over the limit, that you at least get a heads up.

"That's all I'm asking for, to be honest. I know that the rules are strict. But there should be a kind of a feel, a sense for the game.

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So, after knowing the rules are strict, now he wants the official to give him a cushion. He speaks of being fair but then also asks for a favour.

Not good sportsmanship and definitely won't help him with the people.
Djokovic is making a bigger deal out of this than he probably should have, but in that case it was a little ridiculous. Goffin was taking more time than Djokovic between his serves, not to mention an umpire should have some common sense and allow for a bit of extra time after a lengthy rally.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is right. There are too many inconsistencies in enforcorcing the code violation. Raonic got a soft warning when he exceeded the time limit so why not Djokovic. Some umpires would allow a player 10+ minutes toilet break and others would only allow 2 minutes. Ridiculous!
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
25 secs + another 20 bouncing the ball should be a time violation. The rule (start of service motion) should be when he starts his right arm, not his left.
Everyone is interpreting the rule differently because the ATP won't define exactly when the time starts or ends. If the rule is worth enforcing then it should be clear what the code is. What's the problem of using a shot clock so that justice would be seen to be done.
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is right. There are too many inconsistencies in enforcorcing the code violation. Raonic got a soft warning when he exceeded the time limit so why not Djokovic. Some umpires would allow a player 10+ minutes toilet break and others would only allow 2 minutes. Ridiculous!
He may be right in pointing out the inconsistency. But that wouldn't make him deserving of another inconsistency is his favour. After all, its everyone's responsibility to uphold the rules and follow it. If Djoko's going to point at other players who get away with it, its soon going to become a game of spin the bottle and point your fingers.
 

OhYes

Legend
"Every time that I'm late, if I get a so-called soft warning or pre-warning, I'll accept it and I won't say a word.

"But I think it's fair, correct and respectful towards the player and to the game if you go over the first time, let's say, over the limit, that you at least get a heads up.

"That's all I'm asking for, to be honest. I know that the rules are strict. But there should be a kind of a feel, a sense for the game.

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So, after knowing the rules are strict, now he wants the official to give him a cushion. He speaks of being fair but then also asks for a favour.

Not good sportsmanship and definitely won't help him with the people.
Didn't you see how he threw his racket in the air to catch one high ball ? :eek: He could kill someone with it, it could land on some child's head ! :confused:
I am surprised you didn't make a topic about that also, since you care so much about nonsense.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Shot clock please...

Let the players and fans see who is abusing the rules.

One of the guys was up to a minute a day or so ago between points. All of them go over sometimes, but it's pretty obvious who does it the most.

Don't know whether Novak's ball bouncing or Nadal's twitches are more annoying.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Shot clock please...

Let the players and fans see who is abusing the rules.

One of the guys was up to a minute a day or so ago between points. All of them go over sometimes, but it's pretty obvious who does it the most.

Don't know whether Novak's ball bouncing or Nadal's twitches are more annoying.
I think it would be interesting if the ATP at least decided to trial a shot clock somewhere and see how it works out. I wonder if players like Djokovic and Nadal would welcome the idea? ;)
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
The rules are the rules. If you violate them then you get a warning.

Djokovic's problem was with the way he got warned, he wanted a soft warning or a heads up before he got an official warning. In that respect, i agree with him on this point but at the end of the day, it is irrelevant if one umpire enforces it and another doesn't. Its a rule and it SHOULD be enforced.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
The rules are the rules. If you violate them then you get a warning.

Djokovic's problem was with the way he got warned, he wanted a soft warning or a heads up before he got an official warning. In that respect, i agree with him on this point but at the end of the day, it is irrelevant if one umpire enforces it and another doesn't. Its a rule and it SHOULD be enforced.
I would like a soft warning in traffic, so I don't get any tickets for speeding :cool:
 

Noelan

Legend
Did homeboy got time violation to his 30s against Kei, currently he is the slowest . Raonic cautiously tied his shoes in TB changeovers ..

Djokovic is not the type of a player who points his finger at other players.
Fergus Murphy should tell him before as it was his first time in match. then, if he continued he should give him time violation.



 

OhYes

Legend
Did homeboy got time violation to his 30s against Kei, currently he is the slowest . Raonic cautiously tied his shoes in TB changeovers ..

Djokovic is not the type of a player who points his finger at other players.
Fergus Murphy should tell him before as it was his first time in match. then, if he continued he should give him time violation.



Sorry Noelan but I must use this picture :D

I think it would be interesting if the ATP at least decided to trial a shot clock somewhere and see how it works out. I wonder if players like Djokovic and Nadal would welcome the idea? ;)
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I would like a soft warning in traffic, so I don't get any tickets for speeding :cool:
I get what you're saying but this is sport, it's a kindness to the players. They are working hard to play tennis and are being mentally and physically tested and to suddenly get a warning, it will make you angry and fustrated. The umpire just saying "hey Novak, you're starting to go over the limit" before issuing a warning if he keeps doing it makes a massive difference to the player as they are less likely to complain.

If they continue to do it afterwards then i'm 100% in favour of giving them a point penalty every time onwards but i do agree with Novak that a pre-warning notification that he's starting to go over the limit should be the norm.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
I get what you're saying but this is sport, it's a kindness to the players. They are working hard to play tennis and are being mentally and physically tested and to suddenly get a warning, it will make you angry and fustrated. The umpire just saying "hey Novak, you're starting to go over the limit" before issuing a warning if he keeps doing it makes a massive difference to the player as they are less likely to complain.

If they continue to do it afterwards then i'm 100% in favour of giving them a point penalty every time onwards but i do agree with Novak that a pre-warning notification that he's starting to go over the limit should be the norm.
They are usually told on changeovers and that's a good thing. The towel is probably the real time-waster here :(
 

ArcspacE

Legend
Did homeboy got time violation to his 30s against Kei, currently he is the slowest . Raonic cautiously tied his shoes in TB changeovers ..

Djokovic is not the type of a player who points his finger at other players.
Fergus Murphy should tell him before as it was his first time in match. then, if he continued he should give him time violation.



Murray is the worst
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
Didn't you see how he threw his racket in the air to catch one high ball ? :eek: He could kill someone with it, it could land on some child's head ! :confused:
I am surprised you didn't make a topic about that also, since you care so much about nonsense.
Oh Yes! Thanks for reminding. Keep following me, so you don't miss my topic on that when I make it. Thanks for caring to post on a nonsense topic :D
 

Noelan

Legend
You are not annoyed when Murray toss a ball in the air and "gets distracted" by something so he needs to do it one more time ?
Mr Objective is so fed up with Djokovic that he probably didn't pay attention at AO15,16. RG15, RG16 and some other matches where he could see the pattern.
In tense situations when misses the first serve he often has all kinds of troubles with ball toss , returner was ready to receive the serve but ...
 

Livedeath

Professional
In my opinion we cant play every point after default number of seconds, since every point is played differently and players invest varying intensities in it. If a point had a long rally then players should be given a bit more time, and in the case of an ace it should be less than the default x number of seconds.

Time and again we have seen players argue with umpires and match referees about a singular point and the whole discussion exceeds some times 5 minutes. The officials try to enforce the rule and in process waste many minutes.

As for Djokovic, i reckon there was no need to discuss it with umpire, as he knows he will get a scripted response, if he believes he is unduly getting fined then a player of his stature can discuss with player council and should try to raise this issue on right platform i.e., with higher authorities.
 

OhYes

Legend
Mr Objective is so fed up with Djokovic that he probably didn't pay attention at AO15,16. RG15, RG16 and some other matches where he could see the pattern.
In tense situations when misses the first serve he often has all kinds of troubles with ball toss , returner was ready to receive the serve but ...
People seem not to take notice at this. At this WTF against Nishikori he needed to throw ball 3 times in the air in order to serve. :rolleyes:
Oh Yes! Thanks for reminding. Keep following me, so you don't miss my topic on that when I make it. Thanks for caring to post on a nonsense topic :D
I am not following you silly - what's there to follow ?:confused:
It's just when you say "Not good sportsmanship and definitely won't help him with the people." I'm asking myself how can anyone be so dense to put that as a closure.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
The rules are the rules. If you violate them then you get a warning.

Djokovic's problem was with the way he got warned, he wanted a soft warning or a heads up before he got an official warning. In that respect, i agree with him on this point but at the end of the day, it is irrelevant if one umpire enforces it and another doesn't. Its a rule and it SHOULD be enforced.
If the rules are the rules then they should be enforced every time all players violate it not when the umpire feels like it. It they have a shot clock they will find out that most players exceed the time between points and enforcing the rule will be very disruptive.

Djokovic got a warning for exceeding the time when he went to replace a racquet he had smashed and he was the receiver. The umpire said he wasn't ready to receive on time. That's the first time I've seen that.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I endorse the idea of a shot clock. For this specific incident if it was indeed Novak's first time going over, a mention at the changeover would have been enough IMO. The umpires enforce the rule as they see fit at the moment which is ok, but there should be consistency.
 

joekapa

Legend
The rule should be lax enough after tough rallies, and depending where the player finishes the previous point. In other words, if they don't go over the clock intentionally.

In other words, it should depend on the "toughness" previous point.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
The rule should be lax enough after tough rallies, and depending where the player finishes the previous point. In other words, if they don't go over the clock intentionally.

In other words, it should depend on the "toughness" previous point.
Nah man, these guys playing these long points should just look to finish them quicker in future ;)
 

joekapa

Legend
Nah man, these guys playing these long points should just look to finish them quicker in future ;)
You cannot have your cake and eat it too, buddy. Quicken up the courts. Make them like they were during the 90's. Oh but we don't want "servebotting" do we ? That was "boring".

Try playing a 1 minute rally under the 40 degree Melbourne weather (50 degrees center court), and then having to be ready in 20 seconds. As Andy Murray said "someone will die here one day". And he is right.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
You cannot have your cake and eat it too, buddy. Quicken up the courts. Make them like they were during the 90's. Oh but we don't want "servebotting" do we ? That was "boring".

Try playing a 1 minute rally under the 40 degree Melbourne weather (50 degrees center court), and then having to be ready in 20 seconds. As Andy Murray said "someone will die here one day". And he is right.
I was just joking man :D I do think after a long point the smart thing to do would be to shorten the point where possible, I suppose what I like is variety - in courts and games.
 

joekapa

Legend
I was just joking man :D I do think after a long point the smart thing to do would be to shorten the point where possible, I suppose what I like is variety - in courts and games.
Well why not have a time limit on points, if that is the case ?

The game is what it is, and for me, it doesn't need "fiddling".
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Well why not have a time limit on points, if that is the case ?

The game is what it is, and for me, it doesn't need "fiddling".
Not sure what having a time limit on points has to do with anything I've said?

If your game plan is to counter punch then you should be fit enough to do so and keep to the rules yes? :p There are obviously exceptions where fabulous points occur and it's fair that need a little more discretion from the umpires - the point preceding Djokovic's warning was one such point IMO.

Perhaps the rule should stipulate that if the point goes over 30 shots there should be some extra time.
 

joekapa

Legend
Not sure what having a time limit on points has to do with anything I've said?

If your game plan is to counter punch then you should be fit enough to do so and keep to the rules yes? :p There are obviously exceptions where fabulous points occur and it's fair that need a little more discretion from the umpires - the point preceding Djokovic's warning was one such point IMO.

Perhaps the rule should stipulate that if the point goes over 30 shots there should be some extra time.
Yes, if they were to add a time limit between point, then it should be relative depending on the number of shots played, or how many meters have been covered during the point etc etc.

But again, it would be hard to fully enforce. What's to say that the receiver won't be "ready" 2 seconds before the serve ? Your opponent could use the time limit to their own discretion.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The rule is not hard to follow and the penalty for infringing it is derisory so why does it need to be enforced with military precision?

Near enough is good enough and if you get a penalty then don't whine about something so trivial.

It's like someone who regularly speeds, as we mostly do, complaining about getting a fine when only just over the limit.
 
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