Novak Djokovic - his big clay titles

[GabeT]

You are right maybe but also not 100% certain whether Novak would really have won more than six. He is way more vulnerable at RG than at other slams, take 2015 as an example: had he lost against Nadal in the quarters we would likely tend to give him a hypothetical win in the absence of Nadal and would not consider the possibility of him losing to Stan which is what happened in reality.
Anyways: if we take such drastic what-ifs like removing THE number one rival, we can built a lot of impressive scenarios. Take Nadal out and Fed likely wins two CYGS or also a number of FO similar to Borg.
So in conclusion, I agree that if we assume the best possible hypothetical for Novak aka taking the main rival out, then he (and Fed) could have a similar number of FOs as Borg if we leave for him everything as is. Not sure how much this says though.

First, a small point. In my argument Novak need not reach 6 FOs to equal Borg. I was addressing the point that Novak is several tiers below Borg on clay. Had he won, say, 5 FOs I don’t think anyone would say he was several tiers below

As for the hypothetical, you are right. I’m saying that change some initial conditions and the results are pretty different. But that’s true for all players, not just Djokovic. It’s one of the reasons I don’t think hypotheticals are very useful.

 

[Neptune]

I think these are more reliable than: If if if maybe could would should...

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[RS]

Kuerten v Zeballos Barcelona 10 match series?

Hewitt in 4

 

[mike danny]

Not sure how this counters my argument. You are saying that Borg wasn't stopped by anyone the way Novak was stopped by Nadal. I agree.

Might as well start saying that Roddick and Becker on grass are equal at this point LOL.

 

[mike danny]

@GabeT, I thought you weren't a fan of hypotheticals and yet that's what you use to build Novak's case on clay.

 

[GabeT]

@GabeT, I thought you weren't a fan of hypotheticals and yet that's what you use to build Novak's case on clay.

I’m not a fan of hypotheticals. But my main issue isn’t the hypotheticals themselves, it’s when they are used by one fan base to troll another. Just find it tiring