Novak Djokovic: "I lost my love for tennis sometime after Paris"

hipolymer said:
Agassi played 1144 matches until his retirement, but let's subtract the last 19 of his career so we only include his slam-winning potential, up until his US Open 2005 loss to Federer;

Here's Djokovic's number of matches played during the last few years:

2012: 87
2013: 83
2014: 69
2015: 88
2016: 62

Djokovic has so far played 888 matches. Let's say he ends with slightly over 900 by the end of the year. That leaves around 225 matches left to match Agassi slam-winning form; but let's say Djokovic goes on to play for a couple more years longer than Agassi, which is likely as he never had the horrific back problems that plagued Agassi. It all depends on his motivation though.

Let's strike a mean of 70 matches per year for the next 5 years, seeing as he's going to play less and less every year. That's 5 years of slam-winning potential for the Djoker, meaning that out of 20 slams he has to win 5. That's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Djokovic's situation is different than Agassi's in that Agassi had a long break from tennis. Djokovic hasn't had that break.

I don't care how many years of slam winning potential Djokovic has left. The point is that at almost age 30, he's very unlikely to win close to half of his current slam total. It's unrealistic unless he has some kind of "magic" that other great players couldn't come up with. Are you trying to tell me Federer and Nadal didn't have the motivation to continue to win more slams? Motivation has little to do with it. Djokovic is motivated to break the slam records of Nadal and Federer (duh) but it doesn't mean he'll do it.

You didn't answer my question, if you are in fact a former MTF poster, why are you still not posting on MTF and why are you residing here? You sound a lot like a poster who has posted on TTW with numerous aliases over the years to me, i.e NA?
 
TU87 said:
Agree with this. Djokovic gets extra joy from beating Federer and Nadal because of their place in the history of the game. I'm not at all surprised by Djokovic's loss of motivation. Also over the past few years he has become a very cerebral person, all into how things "feel", #spread the love, blah, blah, blah, meditation, etc. So he needs his mind right as well as his body in order to compete at his best
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Yes definitely. Like Nadal became the player he was because of Federer similarly djokovic had two all time greats to feed off. So when both decline it was bound to affect djokovic. Wawrinka and murray won't stir his juices as much. He knows he is better than they are. That isn't being disrespectful to murray or wawrinka .

Djokovic is an intelligent man. He embraces all the variety of rich cultures he has experienced and naturally as he gets more mature he will develop more interests. His is natural the more intelligent someone is. Tennis is not djojovics be all and end all, I don't think it is nadals either.

FederEr is different. He admits tennis is his obsession and he even watched videos of himself playing because he enjoys watching great play. Wth 17 majors he is allowed to say stuff like that lol!

These guys Are legends. But fanbases of all three need to realise none are young anymore. Tennks will never consume any of them like it once did.

Djokovic is merely stating something that is very obvious.
 
hipolymer said:
Agassi played 1144 matches until his retirement, but let's subtract the last 19 of his career so we only include his slam-winning potential, up until his US Open 2005 loss to Federer;

Here's Djokovic's number of matches played during the last few years:

2012: 87
2013: 83
2014: 69
2015: 88
2016: 62

Djokovic has so far played 888 matches. Let's say he ends with slightly over 900 by the end of the year. That leaves around 225 matches left to match Agassi slam-winning form; but let's say Djokovic goes on to play for a couple more years longer than Agassi, which is likely as he never had the horrific back problems that plagued Agassi. It all depends on his motivation though.

Let's strike a mean of 70 matches per year for the next 5 years, seeing as he's going to play less and less every year. That's 5 years of slam-winning potential for the Djoker, meaning that out of 20 slams he has to win 5. That's not out of the realm of possibility.
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True, but Djoker will turn 30 before the end of the French Open 2017. Right now he's sitting on 12 slams, which is 5 shy of Federer. Let's assume he wins Australia again, which is no guarantee, but he certainly has had his most success at that major. That'll push him up to 13 slams, 4 shy of Federer. Now, assuming Federer doesn't win another slam, let's look at the list of guys who have won slams at age 30 years or older. On that list, only two were able to win 4 slams past 30 - Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver. So, Djokovic will need to win 5 slams at or beyond the age of 30 to break Federer's record, meaning he will literally have to make history to achieve that feat.

37 Ken Rosewall 1972 (Australian)
36 Ken Rosewall 1971 (Australian)
35 Ken Rosewall 1970 (US Open)
34 Andres Gimeno 1972 (French)
33 Ken Rosewall 1968 (French)
32 Andre Agassi 2003 (Austalian)
31 Arthur Ashe 1975 (Wimbledon)
31 Rod Laver 1969 (US Open)
31 Pete Sampras 2002 (US Open)
31 Jimmy Connors 1983 (US Open)
30 Roger Federer 2012 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (French)
30 Andre Agassi 2001 (Austalian)
30 John Newcombe 1975 (Austalian)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Austalian)
30 Andres Gomez 1990 (French)
30 Jimmy Connors 1982 (US Open)
30 Petr Korda 1998 (Austalian)
30 Stan Wawrinka 2015 (French)
31 Stan Wawrinka 2016 (US Open)

The list above is pretty short, and I'd say the odds are not great in Mr. Djokovic's favor to pull off winning 5 more slams past the age of 30.
 
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punterlad said:
Having seen djokovic live at USO Against Tsonga at times his completeness had me staring At him in awe.
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I saw him play Seppi live at the Australian Open, and after he destroyed him in the opening set like 6-1 in about 30 minutes, I thought to myself, well gee maybe I'd be more competition for Djokovic, lol.
 
csmoove899 said:
This is a case of unrequited love. Night after night the crowd roots against Djokovic. Tennis does not love Djokovic, so it's only a matter of time until Djokovic loses interest in tennis.
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csmoove899 said:
This is a case of unrequited love. Night after night the crowd roots against Djokovic. Tennis does not love Djokovic, so it's only a matter of time until Djokovic loses interest in tennis.
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He hasn't lost his love for tennis! :rolleyes: He's scratching his head trying to figure out why he lost the last big three important tournaments after dominating for so long. These guys can't handle falling from grace. The reality is if you have a power game and can hang with Djokovic from the baseline (a tough thing to do and the secret to his success), you can beat him.
 
csmoove899 said:
This is a case of unrequited love. Night after night the crowd roots against Djokovic. Tennis does not love Djokovic, so it's only a matter of time until Djokovic loses interest in tennis.
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You Djokovic fans can't seem to make up your mind, one minute it's the fact that 'everyone' is against him that pushes him on, but the next is he's losing his love and interest because fans don't appreciate him? Pick one and stick to it.
 
Noelan said:
Ofc Djokovic situations is unique as he is only second player who done it , no matter how you detracttors trying to spin it an make look "easy"
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Who said it was easy? My response was to you saying Federer and Nadal can't imagine how it's like being in Nole's skin. At 2009 RG, Federer won the title he had been chasing for 5 years, and became only the 2nd player to win 14 slam titles. At 2016 RG, Djokovic won the title he had been chasing for 5 years, and became only the 2nd player to win 4 consecutive slams. Not identical situations, but very similar.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
True, but Djoker will turn 30 before the end of the French Open 2017. Right now he's sitting on 12 slams, which is 5 shy of Federer. Let's assume he wins Australia again, which is no guarantee, but he certainly has had his most success at that major. That'll push him up to 13 slams, 4 shy of Federer. Now, assuming Federer doesn't win another slam, let's look at the list of guys who have won slams at age 30 years or older. On that list, only two were able to win 4 slams past 30 - Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver. So, Djokovic will need to win 5 slams at or beyond the age of 30 to break Federer's record, meaning he will literally have to make history to achieve that feat.

37 Ken Rosewall 1972 (Australian)
36 Ken Rosewall 1971 (Australian)
35 Ken Rosewall 1970 (US Open)
34 Andres Gimeno 1972 (French)
33 Ken Rosewall 1968 (French)
32 Andre Agassi 2003 (Austalian)
31 Arthur Ashe 1975 (Wimbledon)
31 Rod Laver 1969 (US Open)
31 Pete Sampras 2002 (US Open)
31 Jimmy Connors 1983 (US Open)
30 Roger Federer 2012 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (French)
30 Andre Agassi 2001 (Austalian)
30 John Newcombe 1975 (Austalian)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Austalian)
30 Andres Gomez 1990 (French)
30 Jimmy Connors 1982 (US Open)
30 Petr Korda 1998 (Austalian)
30 Stan Wawrinka 2015 (French)
31 Stan Wawrinka 2016 (US Open)

The list above is pretty short, and I'd say the odds are not great in Mr. Djokovic's favor to pull off winning 5 more slams past the age of 30.
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@maxxy777 oh wow. Validation you know nothing about this sport or it's historical data. Yet, again.

GREAT post - @Big_Dangerous
 
Djokodal Fan said:
Taken from MTF, but I thought it was worth posting it here. I'm rather puzzled as to how someone like Djokovic can lose motivation. All he Had to do was to look at His peers like the Great Fed / Nadal and keep himself motivated. I'm not blaming him give life long goal RG was, but I'm little disappointed as a fan
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Weak era/he"s missing a peak Nadal/Fed rivalry. Sorry I don't think he quite regards Murray as a long term project.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
True, but Djoker will turn 30 before the end of the French Open 2017. Right now he's sitting on 12 slams, which is 5 shy of Federer. Let's assume he wins Australia again, which is no guarantee, but he certainly has had his most success at that major. That'll push him up to 13 slams, 4 shy of Federer. Now, assuming Federer doesn't win another slam, let's look at the list of guys who have won slams at age 30 years or older. On that list, only two were able to win 4 slams past 30 - Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver. So, Djokovic will need to win 5 slams at or beyond the age of 30 to break Federer's record, meaning he will literally have to make history to achieve that feat.

37 Ken Rosewall 1972 (Australian)
36 Ken Rosewall 1971 (Australian)
35 Ken Rosewall 1970 (US Open)
34 Andres Gimeno 1972 (French)
33 Ken Rosewall 1968 (French)
32 Andre Agassi 2003 (Austalian)
31 Arthur Ashe 1975 (Wimbledon)
31 Rod Laver 1969 (US Open)
31 Pete Sampras 2002 (US Open)
31 Jimmy Connors 1983 (US Open)
30 Roger Federer 2012 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (French)
30 Andre Agassi 2001 (Austalian)
30 John Newcombe 1975 (Austalian)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Austalian)
30 Andres Gomez 1990 (French)
30 Jimmy Connors 1982 (US Open)
30 Petr Korda 1998 (Austalian)
30 Stan Wawrinka 2015 (French)
31 Stan Wawrinka 2016 (US Open)

The list above is pretty short, and I'd say the odds are not great in Mr. Djokovic's favor to pull off winning 5 more slams past the age of 30.
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So what's all this talk about current players playing at, or close to peak, well into their 30's? It seems like decades ago there were more 30+ yr old slam winners....hmmmm
 
Anything, gets boring day in, week in, month in. Even playing world class tennis. I am the best in the world at what I do, and even though I make a LOT more than Djokovic, I get it, its boring, week in, week out. Being the best in the world is boring, same as being the worst in the world.

Variety is the spice of life and Djokovic doesn't have that spice. These guys should get to play six tournaments a year to save the game. Having to play hamburgers in the first three rounds is beyond monotonous for these top players. Structure something to save them from having to go through it, save us fans, and save them. Please, its sooooo boring now.
 
I am so much luckier than Djokovic, I don't have to play a washed up dude crawling in from the qualies, or an exempt from the host country. I step right over that, to do what I do, but its still boring.

Djokovic might have to sink to number six to get interested again, he seems really past caring, and I relate all the way, he showed how good he was, he just doesn't want to have to show it for now.
 
Bjorn99 said:
I am so much luckier than Djokovic, I don't have to play a washed up dude crawling in from the qualies, or an exempt from the host country. I step right over that, to do what I do, but its still boring.

Djokovic might have to sink to number six to get interested again, he seems really past caring, and I relate all the way, he showed how good he was, he just doesn't want to have to show it for now.
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What field are you in, if you don't mind my asking?
 
Bjorn99 said:
Anything, gets boring day in, week in, month in. Even playing world class tennis. I am the best in the world at what I do, and even though I make a LOT more than Djokovic, I get it, its boring, week in, week out. Being the best in the world is boring, same as being the worst in the world.

Variety is the spice of life and Djokovic doesn't have that spice. These guys should get to play six tournaments a year to save the game. Having to play hamburgers in the first three rounds is beyond monotonous for these top players. Structure something to save them from having to go through it, save us fans, and save them. Please, its sooooo boring now.
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Which parking LOT did you build? Nothing more boring than those LOTs. I'll give you that.
 
Bjorn99 said:
Anything, gets boring day in, week in, month in. Even playing world class tennis. I am the best in the world at what I do, and even though I make a LOT more than Djokovic, I get it, its boring, week in, week out. Being the best in the world is boring, same as being the worst in the world.
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Just wow!!!! :eek: I'm assuming you're not a professional tennis player then? :)

Bjorn99 said:
Variety is the spice of life and Djokovic doesn't have that spice. These guys should get to play six tournaments a year to save the game. Having to play hamburgers in the first three rounds is beyond monotonous for these top players. Structure something to save them from having to go through it, save us fans, and save them. Please, its sooooo boring now.
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Maybe reduce the number of seeds so top players get to meet earlier as used to happen? Trouble is tournament organisers always want the top players to meet in finals and semis. Tickets are sold on the likelihood of top names being in the final. Players like Djokovic already get exemptions from having to play lesser events eg. Masters 1000s. But they can't afford to skip too many and not be match ready for the Slams. They all know the score. If Djokovic really is bored then maybe he should take a break from the tour and do something else for a while?
 
I think his body is also giving up considering how much he the guy plays. And for what?

He doesn't need to attend more than 5 Masters a year and concentrate on the Slams. Hopefully he's hungry for that 5th consecutive WTF.
 
If Djoker wants to play fewer Mandatory tournaments, join the WTA. I f you are the Best at what you do, Shirley your name is plastered on each work of art.
 
sportsfan1 said:
Then it follows that "tennis" is code for Jelena? Freudian slip from Novak.:oops:

Seriously it's just a temporary letdown after the high of winning RG. He had a similar shorter one losing at the USO after his second Wimby 2014 win beating Federer on grass for the first time, and then getting married.
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I couldn't understand that at the time, figured he'd roll through the summer...so not caught off-guard this time
 
Big_Dangerous said:
True, but Djoker will turn 30 before the end of the French Open 2017. Right now he's sitting on 12 slams, which is 5 shy of Federer. Let's assume he wins Australia again, which is no guarantee, but he certainly has had his most success at that major. That'll push him up to 13 slams, 4 shy of Federer. Now, assuming Federer doesn't win another slam, let's look at the list of guys who have won slams at age 30 years or older. On that list, only two were able to win 4 slams past 30 - Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver. So, Djokovic will need to win 5 slams at or beyond the age of 30 to break Federer's record, meaning he will literally have to make history to achieve that feat.

37 Ken Rosewall 1972 (Australian)
36 Ken Rosewall 1971 (Australian)
35 Ken Rosewall 1970 (US Open)
34 Andres Gimeno 1972 (French)
33 Ken Rosewall 1968 (French)
32 Andre Agassi 2003 (Austalian)
31 Arthur Ashe 1975 (Wimbledon)
31 Rod Laver 1969 (US Open)
31 Pete Sampras 2002 (US Open)
31 Jimmy Connors 1983 (US Open)
30 Roger Federer 2012 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Wimbledon)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (French)
30 Andre Agassi 2001 (Austalian)
30 John Newcombe 1975 (Austalian)
30 Rod Laver 1969 (Austalian)
30 Andres Gomez 1990 (French)
30 Jimmy Connors 1982 (US Open)
30 Petr Korda 1998 (Austalian)
30 Stan Wawrinka 2015 (French)
31 Stan Wawrinka 2016 (US Open)

The list above is pretty short, and I'd say the odds are not great in Mr. Djokovic's favor to pull off winning 5 more slams past the age of 30.
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As long as he beats Juicedal's feat - I'd be happy
 
Rational reasons for not losing motivation: on track to win the Grand Slam, 2-time defending Wimbledon champion, Olympic gold medal, extension of dominance period, etc, etc.

Oh look, the irrational creature known as the human being shows up. Loss of motivation at the cusp of your ambitions happens -- perfectly normal. That said, I don't think that's why he lost Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, or the Olympics.
 
If Djokovic loses motivation after being halfway through a CYGS and having a shot at Federer's Slam record then it doesn't bode well for the future. If such a big achievement in line doesn't motivate him enough then nothing will.
 
Djokovic is just frustrated that despite his achievements in recent years Nadal and Fed still get all the love from tennis fans. It must be hard on him.
 
Did it happen around the same time that he lost his love for lovely Jelena?

I think the feeling is mutual... she didn't look in the slightest bothered during the USO final. Letting him earn as much money as possible before disappearing with half of it in a couple of years time?
 
Djokovic should take 4 months break to come up with a good excuse for his losses.

He has been all over the place and nothing adds up. One reason after the other !!
 
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