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Novak Djokovic: ''I want to stretch my prime over a few years''
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Nathaniel_Near
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Yep I've been fiddling around with it and comparing different sets of players - really good. I'll make a thread on this later (probably tomorrow) using and obviously crediting your work.
Gary Duane
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The decline is never in sight before it starts to happen. It's always rather sudden and unexpected, even when it is gradual.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, that doesn't work very well with the thing I'm using. However I changed the interactive version a little bit. Maybe this will help?
http://jsbin.com/wirikewogu/1/edit?output
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Nathaniel_Near
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Actually I didn't realise Nadal's overall points total for his "second peak" in 2010 would be so much below his 2008 and 2013 peaks. @SpicyCurry1990 suggested that Nadal accumulated more points during 2010 but I guess we were going by calendar years rather than accounting for the lag effect for the form to truly show its full worth in the ranking points totals.
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Nathaniel_Near
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I see what you've done and it makes the cross referencing way easier. Fair enough on the lines/grid not really being possible. This is more than enough and thanks again.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Put it on JSBin instead, so now it uses more screen space. Incidentally:
Minimum difference between #1 and #2:
2013-10-07 - 40 points (Nadal: 11160, Djokovic: 11120)
Maximum difference between #1 and #2:
2015-09-14 - 6740 points (Djokovic: 16145, Federer: 9405)
Minimum total #1 + #2:
2010-05-17 to 2010-05-31: 16910 points (Federer: 10030, Nadal: 6880)
Maximum total #1 + #2:
2009-04-20: 26150 points (Nadal: 15390, Federer: 10760)
Minimum difference between #1 and #2:
2013-10-07 - 40 points (Nadal: 11160, Djokovic: 11120)
Maximum difference between #1 and #2:
2015-09-14 - 6740 points (Djokovic: 16145, Federer: 9405)
Minimum total #1 + #2:
2010-05-17 to 2010-05-31: 16910 points (Federer: 10030, Nadal: 6880)
Maximum total #1 + #2:
2009-04-20: 26150 points (Nadal: 15390, Federer: 10760)
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Nathaniel_Near
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Not sure.. I think it's right.
Djokovic's ranking points total hasn't dropped below 10000 since May 9, 2011. That's ridiculous. He's maintained a minimum total seemingly higher than Murray's career peak points total, for the last 4 years.
Also interesting to observe is the clash of peaks between Djokovic-Nadal in 2011 — where it seems clear that Djokovic ascended beyond Nadal — and in 2013, where Nadal proved to be the only player capable of producing a stint of form that was able to crash through Mr.Minimumof10000points for the #1 spot.
It seems to reinforce the idea that Murray can't realistically take #1 from Djokovic unless Djo has a significant decline or (or rather and) Murray goes beyond where he's ever gone before.
Djokovic's rivals accrued points totals that would have sufficed for #1 in some other years, but Djokovic's time at #1 is well and truly earned and of extremely high quality.
Murray went and got some points on clay this year, so perhaps he can break 10k soon.
Djokovic's ranking points total hasn't dropped below 10000 since May 9, 2011. That's ridiculous. He's maintained a minimum total seemingly higher than Murray's career peak points total, for the last 4 years.
Also interesting to observe is the clash of peaks between Djokovic-Nadal in 2011 — where it seems clear that Djokovic ascended beyond Nadal — and in 2013, where Nadal proved to be the only player capable of producing a stint of form that was able to crash through Mr.Minimumof10000points for the #1 spot.
It seems to reinforce the idea that Murray can't realistically take #1 from Djokovic unless Djo has a significant decline or (or rather and) Murray goes beyond where he's ever gone before.
Djokovic's rivals accrued points totals that would have sufficed for #1 in some other years, but Djokovic's time at #1 is well and truly earned and of extremely high quality.
Murray went and got some points on clay this year, so perhaps he can break 10k soon.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Wow!!! Nadal played out of his skin in 2013 yet he was only 40 points ahead of Djokovic. That's scary.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
What a dumb comment from Djokovic and a dumb thread. What Djokovic "wants" and what will happen in reality are quite possibly two different things. Some people say they want to live forever too.
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
Wait what, Im confused. Nadal's point totals are 13>10>08. What do you mean his peak total was so much lower in 2010?
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
according to most on this forum though, Fed left his prime 8 years ago
xFedal
Legend
This is why it will be so difficult to overtake Novak as No.1, Murray has to do something his never done before, Nadal has to play out of his skin just to be level with Novak.
beard
Legend
This is just GREAT.
Can i ask what software have you used?
And from where you got data?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I wrote a program to fetch the data from the ATP website
The chart itself was done using a JavaScript chart library called Highcharts
Livedeath
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Nathaniel_Near
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Keep the good work up, i keep track of other numbers by writing formulas in excel
You can see more discussion on jm1980's work over here--> http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/atp-ranking-points-totals-chart-2009–present.545508/
Do take note that numbers for the first year are inflated due to the crossover of ranking systems from 2008-2009, where apparently the points were just simply doubled in accordance with the old 2000-2008 ratios rather than taking into account the new ranking point ratios from 2009-present. @jm1980 talks about this at some point in the thread.
It would be nice if he can "keep up the good work" and perhaps there are other projects he could cook up. He only needed an hour or two to put all of this together.
Livedeath
Professional
Excellent work, i have maintained and still maintaining other statistics. If he has time i could apprise him about them and he could work on them on a similar way, of course if those will interest him
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Nathaniel_Near
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Excellent work, i have maintained and still maintaining other statistics. If he has time i could apprise him about them and he could work on them on a similar way, of course if those will interest him
He may well be open to your ideas. It would be worth sending him a private message with your suggestions. Yeah, I think it would be worth your time to engage with him.
Adv. Edberg
Legend
Why only 4? Who else is there to stop him? Semi retired Fed, Nadal or Wawrinka? Murray?
He should be able to cruise through between 2-4 slams/year for the next 3-4 years. I reckon another 9 slams is realistic. Remember that a lot of people are calling this a weak era.
He should be able to cruise through between 2-4 slams/year for the next 3-4 years. I reckon another 9 slams is realistic. Remember that a lot of people are calling this a weak era.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Brother was serious
Serious as ****
Gold medal today
Serious as ****
Gold medal today
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
He certainly stretched it.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
DoneI hope he stretches his prime over as many years as possible, so he beats Federer's GS record and is regarded as the greatest player of all time.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I think Olympics win may drive Nole to play a few more years, whereas Wimbledon loss made him seriously consider retirement at the end of 2024. I think he needs to be realistic and as long as he is happy to stay on tour even if he wins no more slams, he should play on because I on't see anyone beating him anywhere other than Sinner and Alcaraz yet. Of course, he's lost to low ranked players this year but that's what happens when players get older. Nole may even steal another slam if Sinner and Alcaraz get knocked out early as well, so I think he should keep playing as long as he is healthy and fit enough.
Frenchy-Player
Hall of Fame
No retirement plan :
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