Novak Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 players since 2016...

weakera

G.O.A.T.
Your post says 2016 onwards, stick to your OP;)
You're the one cherry picking my lad, not me :laughing:;)

Just imagine the h2h if they played as often during Djokovic's downturn as they did Nadal's... wow... unfortunately Djokovic was not good enough to advance to the latter stages of tourneys to meet Nadal and crashed out of the top-20...
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay :unsure:
If you know the answer why would you start a thread for? WOW!
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
If you know the answer why would you start a thread for? WOW!

Took me some time to think about it and arrive at one conclusion. But of course there's more that it can tell us and I invite you to explore the possibilities.

Of course it's not just the top-10 that Novak has struggled against on clay in that time, also losing to Klizan, Edmund, Cecchinato, Evans...
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Took me some time to think about it and arrive at one conclusion. But of course there's more that it can tell us and I invite you to explore the possibilities.

Of course it's not just the top-10 that Novak has struggled against on clay in that time, also losing to Klizan, Edmund, Cecchinato, Evans...
If that is what it is delete the thread ban the member.
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
If that is what it is delete the thread ban the member.

You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.
I think you need to think longer before you post rubbish.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Lets be fair - won Rome last year and made it to the final of RG......Right now very much second favourite for RG....
Yeah, but the OP scratches his head about the GOAT's loss to Evans! A Nadl fan that is so worried about Djok's %%%% Imagine his personal struggle!
 

Tarkovsky

Rookie
Novak Djokovic is 13-8 on clay vs. top-10 players since May 2016

Matches (13-8) > Time Span: 02-May-2016 to 10-Apr-2021 [custom]; Surface: Clay; vs Rank: Top 10
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
Novak Djokovic is 13-8 on clay vs. top-10 players since May 2016

Matches (13-8) > Time Span: 02-May-2016 to 10-Apr-2021 [custom]; Surface: Clay; vs Rank: Top 10

Wrong.


28-09-2020Roland GarrosClayFL Rafael Nadal (1)
Rank 2
Elo 2394 (+18)
d. Novak Djokovic (2)
Rank 1
Elo 2442 (-18)
6-0 6-2 7-5 StatsH2H
28-09-2020Roland GarrosClaySFWNovak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2437 (+5)
d. Stefanos Tsitsipas (5)
Rank 6
Elo 2181 (-5)
6-3 6-2 5-7 4-6 6-1 StatsH2H
27-05-2019Roland GarrosClaySFL Dominic Thiem (4)
Rank 4
Elo 2195 (+22)
d. Novak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2401 (-22)
6-2 3-6 7-5 5-7 7-5 StatsH2H
27-05-2019Roland GarrosClayQFWNovak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2395 (+6)
d. Alexander Zverev (5)
Rank 5
Elo 2146 (-5)
7-5 6-2 6-2 StatsH2H
13-05-2019Rome MastersClayFL Rafael Nadal (2)
Rank 2
Elo 2365 (+14)
d. Novak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2403 (-13)
6-0 4-6 6-1 StatsH2H
13-05-2019Rome MastersClayQFWNovak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2395 (+6)
d. Juan Martin Del Potro (7)
Rank 9
Elo 2238 (-6)
4-6 7-6(6) 6-4 StatsH2H
06-05-2019Madrid MastersClayFWNovak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2387 (+4)
d. Stefanos Tsitsipas (8)
Rank 9
Elo 2138 (-5)
6-3 6-4 StatsH2H
06-05-2019Madrid MastersClaySFWNovak Djokovic (1)
Rank 1
Elo 2381 (+6)
d. Dominic Thiem (5)
Rank 5
Elo 2184 (-5)
7-6(2) 7-6(4) StatsH2H
14-05-2018Rome MastersClaySFL Rafael Nadal (1)
Rank 2
Elo 2368 (+10)
d. Novak Djokovic (11)
Rank 18
Elo 2331 (-9)
7-6(4) 6-3 StatsH2H
16-04-2018Monte Carlo MastersClayR16L Dominic Thiem (5)
Rank 7
Elo 2097 (+17)
d. Novak Djokovic (9)
Rank 13
Elo 2364 (-16)
6-7(2) 6-2 6-3 StatsH2H
29-05-2017Roland GarrosClayQFL Dominic Thiem (6)
Rank 7
Elo 2187 (+23)
d. Novak Djokovic (2)
Rank 2
Elo 2457 (-23)
7-6(5) 6-3 6-0 StatsH2H
15-05-2017Rome MastersClaySFWNovak Djokovic (2)
Rank 2
Elo 2470 (+3)
d. Dominic Thiem (8)
Rank 7
Elo 2169 (-3)
6-1 6-0 StatsH2H
08-05-2017Madrid MastersClaySFL Rafael Nadal (4)
Rank 5
Elo 2325 (+16)
d. Novak Djokovic (2)
Rank 2
Elo 2478 (-16)
6-2 6-4 StatsH2H
 
It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay :unsure:
Care to list all those top 10 players Djokovic played on clay and Nadal played on HC?
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
2016 is in your title, but you don't want to pick that cherry

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NoleIsBoat

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You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.
Current rome champ and RG runner up
 
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Nole_King

Professional
It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay :unsure:
Nadal on clay is strongest than anyone on their strongest surface
Nadal on grass is weakest than anyone on their weakest surface.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
The focus on Djoko from the ************* are off the charts. That AO win and #1 record must have threatened them. Don't worry though, Nadal will win his monte carlo title.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
Wow...


What does this tell us?



:unsure:
Well, most of the losses happened in 2017-early18 iirc (goffin MC, Rafa Madrid, Zverev Rome, Thiem RG, Thiem MC) so I think the record isn't as poor as its made out to be.
His run to the title in Madrid 2019 was one of the best ones he's had there, especially the match against Thiem was a brilliant masterclass (except for the 6-5 game in set2 when he failed to serve it out)
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay :unsure:
Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us? ;)
 
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