Novak Djokovic is an established quitter as well

[tennisaddict]

Based on latest thread about Tipsarevic's 10+ retirements and also Troicki's retirements,.

Here are Djokovic's retirement stats. Birds of the same feather flock together.

Davis Cup 2011 - Del Potro 6-7, 0-3 RET
Cincinnati 2011 - Murray 4-6, 0-3 RET
Serbia 2010 - Filip Krajinovic (SRB) 4-6 RET
AO 2009 - Roddick 7-6(3), 4-6, 2-6, 1-2 RET
Monte carlo 2008 - Federer - L 3-6, 2-3 RET
Davis Cup 2008 - Davydenko L 6-4, 6-3, 4-6 RET
Wimbledon 2007 - Nadal - L 6-3, 1-6, 1-4 RET
Umag 2006 - Wawrinka - L 6-6(1) RET
French Opwn 2006 - Nadal - L 4-6, 4-6 RET
French 2005- Coria - L 6-4, 2-6, 2-3 RET

 

[kishnabe]

True...though he redeemed himseld this year and last year to fight and win matches he was on the verge of losing.

 

[Clarky21]

Based on latest thread about Tipsarevic's 10+ retirements and also Troicki's retirements, I wanted to check whether it is a Serbian thing .

Here are Djokovic's retirement stats. Birds of the same feather flock together.

Davis Cup 2011 - Del Potro 6-7, 0-3 RET
Cincinnati 2011 - Murray 4-6, 0-3 RET
Serbia 2010 - Filip Krajinovic (SRB) 4-6 RET
AO 2009 - Roddick 7-6(3), 4-6, 2-6, 1-2 RET
Monte carlo 2008 - Federer - L 3-6, 2-3 RET
Davis Cup 2008 - Davydenko L 6-4, 6-3, 4-6 RET
Wimbledon 2007 - Nadal - L 6-3, 1-6, 1-4 RET
Umag 2006 - Wawrinka - L 6-6(1) RET
French Opwn 2006 - Nadal - L 4-6, 4-6 RET
French 2005- Coria - L 6-4, 2-6, 2-3 RET

Yep. He's always been a quitter. He was even quitting matches last year during the best season of his life. It's just the way he is and is just one more thing I dont like about him.

 

[single_handed_champion]

I guess when he saw it would be impossible to explain away retirements given how he had become a physical beast, outlasting even Nadal, he decided to hand over the mantle to Tipsarevic, who dutifully completed the Career (Golden) Retirement Slam by retiring in Wimbledon 2011. Not done yet though. He needs to retire at the WTF and 5 of 9 MS events to really seal his place in history.

 

[dimeaxe]

Nole haters, take it...

 

[OverratedIvanovic]

So basically he has retired in atleast one match every year except 2012. Lets see if he can maintain his record in 2012

 

[Clarky21]

Nole haters, take it...

When unable to defend such poor behavior,****s always resort to posting large,obnoxious pictures of their idol to attempt to make a point. Too bad it doesn't work.

 

[Torres]

TBH, I think the Tipsarevic retirement thread is pretty ridiculous, or at the very least, blinkered by the person who started it.

Mofils and Almagro have had 11 and 10 retirements respectively, and Roddick has 15.

Monfils(11):


18/2011 ATP Madrid (ESP) Clay Juan Monaco Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Second

28/2010 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Albert Montanes Gael Monfils 6-2 1-2 ret. Final

41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN) Hard Ivan Ljubicic Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Third

3/2009 ATP Australian Open (AUS) Hard Gilles Simon Gael Monfils 6-4 2-6 6-1 ret. Fourth

31/2008 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Tommy Haas Gael Monfils 5-1 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Olivier Patience Gael Monfils 6-3 1-0 ret. Qualifying

38/2007 CH Szczecin (POL) Clay Jan Mertl Gael Monfils 6-3 2-0 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Radek Stepanek Gael Monfils 6-0 2-0 ret. First

42/2006 ATP Madrid (ESP) I_Hard Dominik Hrbaty Gael Monfils 3-6 2-2 ret. First

24/2006 ATP London (GBR) Grass James Blake Gael Monfils 6-1 ret. 1/4

27/2005 ATP Bastad (SWE) Clay Tommy Robredo Gael Monfils 6-4 4-2 ret. Second

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/5917

Almagro(10):


24/2010 ATP Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Denis Istomin Nicolas Almagro 6-4 1-0 ret. Second

10/2010 ATP Indian Wells (USA) Hard Andy Murray Nicolas Almagro 6-2 1-0 ret. Fourth

28/2008 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Michael Berrer Nicolas Almagro 7-5 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Novak Djokovic Nicolas Almagro 6-1 1-0 ret. 1/4

8/2008 ATP Buenos Aires (ARG) Clay Juan Ignacio Chela Nicolas Almagro 6-3 2-1 ret. 1/4

37/2007 ATP Bucharest (ROU) Clay Simone Bolelli Nicolas Almagro 4-6 5-1 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Tomas Berdych Nicolas Almagro 5-0 ret. First

44/2006 ATP Paris (FRA) Carpet Dmitry Tursunov Nicolas Almagro 6-3 5-4 ret. Second

39/2006 ATP Palermo (ITA) Clay Filippo Volandri Nicolas Almagro 6-0 2-1 ret. 1/2

40/2004 CH Seville (ESP) Clay Alexander Waske Nicolas Almagro 5-2 ret. 1/2

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/4045

Roddick (15)

All ret. & w/o matches

3/2012 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardLleyton HewittAndy Roddick3-6 6-3 6-4 ret.Second
41/2010 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardGuillermo Garcia-LopezAndy Roddick3-6 3-2 ret.Second
41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-4 ret.Second
23/2009 ATP London (GBR)GrassJames BlakeAndy Roddick4-4 ret.1/2
19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA)ClayStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-0 ret.1/2
12/2007 ATP Miami (USA)HardAndy MurrayAndy Roddick5-3 ret.1/4
30/2006 ATP Los Angeles (USA)HardDmitry TursunovAndy Roddickw/o1/4
22/2006 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayAlberto MartinAndy Roddick6-4 7-5 1-0 ret.First
21/2006 ATP Dusseldorf (GER)ClayNicolas MassuAndy Roddick4-2 ret.Robin
12/2005 ATP Miami (USA)HardFernando VerdascoAndy Roddick7-6(9) 4-3 ret.Second
7/2005 ATP Memphis (USA)I_HardKenneth CarlsenAndy Roddickw/o1/2
10/2003 ATP Delray Beach (USA)HardMardy FishAndy Roddick7-6(4) 4-3 ret.First
3/2002 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardIvan LjubicicAndy Roddick7-6(11) 3-2 ret.Second
39/2001 ATP Hong Kong (CHN)HardAndre SaAndy Roddick6-3 4-6 3-3 ret.First
22/2001 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayLleyton HewittAndy Roddick6-7(6) 6-4 2-2 ret.Third

 

[Gonzo_style]

Great place to show hate, why he retired in Cincy 2011? He should continue to play, regardless of injury and the U.S. Open after that...

 

[Sid_Vicious]

TBH, I think the Tipsarevic retirement thread is pretty ridiculous, or at the very least, blinkered by the person who started it.

Mofils and Almagro have had 11 and 10 retirements respectively, and Roddick has 15.

Monfils(11):


18/2011 ATP Madrid (ESP) Clay Juan Monaco Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Second

28/2010 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Albert Montanes Gael Monfils 6-2 1-2 ret. Final

41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN) Hard Ivan Ljubicic Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Third

3/2009 ATP Australian Open (AUS) Hard Gilles Simon Gael Monfils 6-4 2-6 6-1 ret. Fourth

31/2008 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Tommy Haas Gael Monfils 5-1 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Olivier Patience Gael Monfils 6-3 1-0 ret. Qualifying

38/2007 CH Szczecin (POL) Clay Jan Mertl Gael Monfils 6-3 2-0 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Radek Stepanek Gael Monfils 6-0 2-0 ret. First

42/2006 ATP Madrid (ESP) I_Hard Dominik Hrbaty Gael Monfils 3-6 2-2 ret. First

24/2006 ATP London (GBR) Grass James Blake Gael Monfils 6-1 ret. 1/4

27/2005 ATP Bastad (SWE) Clay Tommy Robredo Gael Monfils 6-4 4-2 ret. Second

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/5917

Almagro(10):


24/2010 ATP Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Denis Istomin Nicolas Almagro 6-4 1-0 ret. Second

10/2010 ATP Indian Wells (USA) Hard Andy Murray Nicolas Almagro 6-2 1-0 ret. Fourth

28/2008 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Michael Berrer Nicolas Almagro 7-5 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Novak Djokovic Nicolas Almagro 6-1 1-0 ret. 1/4

8/2008 ATP Buenos Aires (ARG) Clay Juan Ignacio Chela Nicolas Almagro 6-3 2-1 ret. 1/4

37/2007 ATP Bucharest (ROU) Clay Simone Bolelli Nicolas Almagro 4-6 5-1 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Tomas Berdych Nicolas Almagro 5-0 ret. First

44/2006 ATP Paris (FRA) Carpet Dmitry Tursunov Nicolas Almagro 6-3 5-4 ret. Second

39/2006 ATP Palermo (ITA) Clay Filippo Volandri Nicolas Almagro 6-0 2-1 ret. 1/2

40/2004 CH Seville (ESP) Clay Alexander Waske Nicolas Almagro 5-2 ret. 1/2

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/4045

Roddick (15)

All ret. & w/o matches

3/2012 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardLleyton HewittAndy Roddick3-6 6-3 6-4 ret.Second
41/2010 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardGuillermo Garcia-LopezAndy Roddick3-6 3-2 ret.Second
41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-4 ret.Second
23/2009 ATP London (GBR)GrassJames BlakeAndy Roddick4-4 ret.1/2
19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA)ClayStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-0 ret.1/2
12/2007 ATP Miami (USA)HardAndy MurrayAndy Roddick5-3 ret.1/4
30/2006 ATP Los Angeles (USA)HardDmitry TursunovAndy Roddickw/o1/4
22/2006 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayAlberto MartinAndy Roddick6-4 7-5 1-0 ret.First
21/2006 ATP Dusseldorf (GER)ClayNicolas MassuAndy Roddick4-2 ret.Robin
12/2005 ATP Miami (USA)HardFernando VerdascoAndy Roddick7-6(9) 4-3 ret.Second
7/2005 ATP Memphis (USA)I_HardKenneth CarlsenAndy Roddickw/o1/2
10/2003 ATP Delray Beach (USA)HardMardy FishAndy Roddick7-6(4) 4-3 ret.First
3/2002 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardIvan LjubicicAndy Roddick7-6(11) 3-2 ret.Second
39/2001 ATP Hong Kong (CHN)HardAndre SaAndy Roddick6-3 4-6 3-3 ret.First
22/2001 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayLleyton HewittAndy Roddick6-7(6) 6-4 2-2 ret.Third

Wow Roddick was sitting on 11 match retirements when he made those infamous remark about Djokovic being a chump. That is shameful .

 

[batz]

Nole haters, take it...

Seems a bit harsh - I like Novak, I'm sure others do too.

 

[zagor]

Based on latest thread about Tipsarevic's 10+ retirements and also Troicki's retirements, I wanted to check whether it is a Serbian thing

It isn't, plenty of players of various different nationalities have a similar number of retirements (some more) as Novak and Janko.

But hey since you like to go for low blows and generalize about an entire nation (based on the actions of a few tennis players) why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

Djoker didn't quit - the drugs didn't kick in fast enough to counteract the gluten in his system.

 

[TheF1Bob]

 

[Crisstti]

TBH, I think the Tipsarevic retirement thread is pretty ridiculous, or at the very least, blinkered by the person who started it.

Mofils and Almagro have had 11 and 10 retirements respectively, and Roddick has 15.

What makes Tipsarevic's record look so bad is the amount of times he was really close to losing when he retired. Not the same with these other players (not quite even with Novak).

 

[Gonzo_style]

It isn't, plenty of players of various different nationalities have a similar number of retirements (some more) as Novak and Janko.

But hey since you like to go for low blows and generalize about an entire nation (based on the actions of a few tennis players) why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

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[RAFA2005RG]

I think Djokovic's stamina is the only thing allowing him to win slams (except for that 2008 AO and 2011 AO, which he won on shot-making more so).

Djokovic has the best stamina on tour. And that stamina allowed him to win a slam in 2012 (6 hours long Australian Open final). Meanwhile the slam Federer won (Wimbledon 2012) was not based purely on stamina. And the slam Rafa won (Roland Garros 2012) was not base purely on stamina (was only 4 sets, fairly quick sets, and spread over 2 days). And the 2012 US Open final was a 5-setter but not particularly long, and a quick 5th set 6-2.

 

[tennisaddict]

It isn't, plenty of players of various different nationalities have a similar number of retirements (some more) as Novak and Janko.

But hey since you like to go for low blows and generalize about an entire nation (based on the actions of a few tennis players) why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

I will be happy to correct my statement if you show me any other nation with more than 1 player in the top 100 who all do this.
As much as i hate Nadal's game, the one AO Quarters against Ferrer,he showed what a true sportsperson he is. now that is how you earn respect. Not like Novak calling trainer down 3-5 in final set of USO finals or like Tipsy before the 5th set tiebreak in the quarters against Ferrer.

 

[Clarky21]

I will be happy to correct my statement if you show me any other nation with more than 1 player in the top 100 who all do this.
As much as i hate Nadal's game, the one AO Quarters against Ferrer,he showed what a true sportsperson he is. now that is how you earn respect. Not like Novak calling trainer down 3-5 in final set of USO finals or like Tipsy before the 5th set tiebreak in the quarters against Ferrer.

It was 2-5. Certainly don't want to give him an extra game he didn't earn(thanks Andy). :lol:

 

[Gonzo_style]

It was 2-5. Certainly don't want to give him an extra game he didn't earn(thanks Andy). :lol:

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[Steve0904]

I will be happy to correct my statement if you show me any other nation with more than 1 player in the top 100 who all do this.
As much as i hate Nadal's game, the one AO Quarters against Ferrer,he showed what a true sportsperson he is. now that is how you earn respect. Not like Novak calling trainer down 3-5 in final set of USO finals or like Tipsy before the 5th set tiebreak in the quarters against Ferrer.

Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of what Novak did at the USO this year against Murray. Thought that was pretty low.

 

[Paullaconte1]

Based on latest thread about Tipsarevic's 10+ retirements and also Troicki's retirements, I wanted to check whether it is a Serbian thing .

Here are Djokovic's retirement stats. Birds of the same feather flock together.

Davis Cup 2011 - Del Potro 6-7, 0-3 RET
Cincinnati 2011 - Murray 4-6, 0-3 RET
Serbia 2010 - Filip Krajinovic (SRB) 4-6 RET
AO 2009 - Roddick 7-6(3), 4-6, 2-6, 1-2 RET
Monte carlo 2008 - Federer - L 3-6, 2-3 RET
Davis Cup 2008 - Davydenko L 6-4, 6-3, 4-6 RET
Wimbledon 2007 - Nadal - L 6-3, 1-6, 1-4 RET
Umag 2006 - Wawrinka - L 6-6(1) RET
French Opwn 2006 - Nadal - L 4-6, 4-6 RET
French 2005- Coria - L 6-4, 2-6, 2-3 RET

A good dig, but impossible to compare for several reasons:

Till 2010 Djokovic really struggled with the "gluten problem"

Tipsarevic almost always retired when he was really close to be defeated;

In 2011 with Del Potro Nole got injured to mess up the rest of the season

In 2011 injured Djokovic "accepted" a bagel form NIshikori in the 3rd set in Basel and in London (still completely unfit) he lost (and he finished the match) with Tipsarevic.

Djokovic has staged so many comebacks (eg. 2011 US OPne vs Federer and this year in Shanghai against Murray) and he has won incredible matches with Nadal till the last drop.

Djokovic played Montecarlo this year in full tears and utterly heartbroken for the loss of his grandfather till the final where he lost 6-3 6-1 with Nadal.

When Djokovic loses, even the worst matches, he has a big smile and he always compliments the opponent.

The only common thing between Djokovic and Tipsarevic is the nationality... in terms of work ethic and sportsmanship there is no comparison at all.

 

[Fugazi]

TBH, I think the Tipsarevic retirement thread is pretty ridiculous, or at the very least, blinkered by the person who started it.

Mofils and Almagro have had 11 and 10 retirements respectively, and Roddick has 15.

Monfils(11):


18/2011 ATP Madrid (ESP) Clay Juan Monaco Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Second

28/2010 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Albert Montanes Gael Monfils 6-2 1-2 ret. Final

41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN) Hard Ivan Ljubicic Gael Monfils 6-2 3-0 ret. Third

3/2009 ATP Australian Open (AUS) Hard Gilles Simon Gael Monfils 6-4 2-6 6-1 ret. Fourth

31/2008 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Tommy Haas Gael Monfils 5-1 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Olivier Patience Gael Monfils 6-3 1-0 ret. Qualifying

38/2007 CH Szczecin (POL) Clay Jan Mertl Gael Monfils 6-3 2-0 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Radek Stepanek Gael Monfils 6-0 2-0 ret. First

42/2006 ATP Madrid (ESP) I_Hard Dominik Hrbaty Gael Monfils 3-6 2-2 ret. First

24/2006 ATP London (GBR) Grass James Blake Gael Monfils 6-1 ret. 1/4

27/2005 ATP Bastad (SWE) Clay Tommy Robredo Gael Monfils 6-4 4-2 ret. Second

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/5917

Almagro(10):


24/2010 ATP Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Denis Istomin Nicolas Almagro 6-4 1-0 ret. Second

10/2010 ATP Indian Wells (USA) Hard Andy Murray Nicolas Almagro 6-2 1-0 ret. Fourth

28/2008 ATP Stuttgart (GER) Clay Michael Berrer Nicolas Almagro 7-5 ret. Second

19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Novak Djokovic Nicolas Almagro 6-1 1-0 ret. 1/4

8/2008 ATP Buenos Aires (ARG) Clay Juan Ignacio Chela Nicolas Almagro 6-3 2-1 ret. 1/4

37/2007 ATP Bucharest (ROU) Clay Simone Bolelli Nicolas Almagro 4-6 5-1 ret. First

16/2007 ATP Monte Carlo (MON) Clay Tomas Berdych Nicolas Almagro 5-0 ret. First

44/2006 ATP Paris (FRA) Carpet Dmitry Tursunov Nicolas Almagro 6-3 5-4 ret. Second

39/2006 ATP Palermo (ITA) Clay Filippo Volandri Nicolas Almagro 6-0 2-1 ret. 1/2

40/2004 CH Seville (ESP) Clay Alexander Waske Nicolas Almagro 5-2 ret. 1/2

http://matchstat.com/PlayerInjuries/4045

Roddick (15)

All ret. & w/o matches

3/2012 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardLleyton HewittAndy Roddick3-6 6-3 6-4 ret.Second
41/2010 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardGuillermo Garcia-LopezAndy Roddick3-6 3-2 ret.Second
41/2009 ATP Shanghai (CHN)HardStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-4 ret.Second
23/2009 ATP London (GBR)GrassJames BlakeAndy Roddick4-4 ret.1/2
19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA)ClayStanislas WawrinkaAndy Roddick3-0 ret.1/2
12/2007 ATP Miami (USA)HardAndy MurrayAndy Roddick5-3 ret.1/4
30/2006 ATP Los Angeles (USA)HardDmitry TursunovAndy Roddickw/o1/4
22/2006 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayAlberto MartinAndy Roddick6-4 7-5 1-0 ret.First
21/2006 ATP Dusseldorf (GER)ClayNicolas MassuAndy Roddick4-2 ret.Robin
12/2005 ATP Miami (USA)HardFernando VerdascoAndy Roddick7-6(9) 4-3 ret.Second
7/2005 ATP Memphis (USA)I_HardKenneth CarlsenAndy Roddickw/o1/2
10/2003 ATP Delray Beach (USA)HardMardy FishAndy Roddick7-6(4) 4-3 ret.First
3/2002 ATP Australian Open (AUS)HardIvan LjubicicAndy Roddick7-6(11) 3-2 ret.Second
39/2001 ATP Hong Kong (CHN)HardAndre SaAndy Roddick6-3 4-6 3-3 ret.First
22/2001 ATP French Open (FRA)ClayLleyton HewittAndy Roddick6-7(6) 6-4 2-2 ret.Third

So there's Djokovic, Tipsy, Roddick, Monfils and Almagro.. Narcissistic issues perhaps?

 

[vllaznia]

He is probably ARnaut.

What do you mean by that? Why do you have the need to write Albanian in Turkish?

 

[Clarky21]

You're Arnaut girl

Wth does this mean? I have no idea what an "Arnaut" is.

 

[MaiDee]

I will be happy to correct my statement if you show me any other nation with more than 1 player in the top 100 who all do this.
As much as i hate Nadal's game, the one AO Quarters against Ferrer,he showed what a true sportsperson he is. now that is how you earn respect. Not like Novak calling trainer down 3-5 in final set of USO finals or like Tipsy before the 5th set tiebreak in the quarters against Ferrer.

You didn't answer the question: Why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

 

[tennisaddict]

You didn't answer the question: Why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

You answer my question and i will tell you what it is.

 

[Magnetite]

Ya. He's more than redeemed himself.

 

[MaiDee]

You answer my question and i will tell you what it is.

What is this? The quiz? Why should I care about this.
You insult my whole nation, base on two players retirements, hiding behind computer. Still without answer what is yours nationality.
You are pus*y.

 

[Steve0904]

You answer my question and i will tell you what it is.

Just tell us your nationality. Stop dodging the question, and don't try to be e-tough and say you'll dodge whatever questions you like. Just tell us.

 

[tennisaddict]

Troicki's stats :

Tokyo 2012 - Raonic - 0-3 RET
AO 2011 - Djokovic - 2-6 RET
Rotterdam 2010 - Melzer - 3-6, 0-3 RET
Cincinnati 2009 - Stepanek - 6-7(2), 0-1 RET
New Haven 2008 - Cilic - 1-2 RET
Barcelona 2008 - Almagro - 2-6 RET
Moscow 2007 - Vliegen - 3-6, 2-2 RET
Croatioa 2007 - Ungur - 3-6, 3-4 RET

 

[tennisaddict]

You didn't answer the question: Why don't you tell us your nationality to make it a fair game?

Since you seem offended, I removed the reference to Serbia on the thread.

 

[Steve0904]

Since you seem offended, I removed the reference to Serbia on the thread.

I would still like to know your nationality, and I would prefer if you didn't lie. You may come out on the good end of this you know. I'm Canadian btw, so I don't know how much can be dug up on any Canadian tennis players, but I guess we could count Rusedski.

 

[nikdom]

To the OP - I agree before Djokovic came out with the whole gluten allergy thing, his retirements were suspicious.

But his performance over the past couple of years should at least exonerate him from any deliberate tactics as far as retiring is concerned. He did also improve on his ball bouncing.

I think getting on his case now is a little unfair. That gluten free thing sure seems to have gotten rid of his breathing issues.

 

[フェデラー]

Weren't a lot of his early retirements attributable to his respiratory problems?

 

[Clarky21]

To the OP - I agree before Djokovic came out with the whole gluten allergy thing, his retirements were suspicious.

But his performance over the past couple of years should at least exonerate him from any deliberate tactics as far as retiring is concerned. He did also improve on his ball bouncing.

I think getting on his case now is a little unfair. That gluten free thing sure seems to have gotten rid of his breathing issues.

He was still retiring in matches he was losing last year as well.


People still believe this junk? :lol:

 

[Clarky21]

Weren't a lot of his early retirements attributable to his respiratory problems?

No. He has retired for a myriad of pathetic reasons like having a sore throat or being too hot. And his supposed breathing issues are totally overblown.

 

[nikdom]

No. He has retired for a myriad of pathetic reasons like having a sore throat or being too hot. And his supposed breathing issues are totally overblown.

Ah, the Nadalite complaining about overblown issues. Such rich irony.

 

[Clarky21]

Ah, the Nadalite complaining about overblown issues. Such rich irony.

How about coming up with some new material,*******. Player's don't miss 6 months due to "breathing problems" now do they?


And I know you're a Nadal hater to the extreme,and would like to see him disappear from the face of the earth,but you have to admit that he has never retired from matches for such pathetic reasons. I know it's hard for the likes of you to be objective about the person you hate most,but how about you give it a try this time?

 

[nikdom]

How about coming up with some new material,*******. Player's don't miss 6 months due to "breathing problems" now do they?


And I know you're a Nadal hater to the extreme,and would like to see him disappear from the face of the earth,but you have to admit that he has never retired from matches for such pathetic reasons. I know it's hard for the likes of you to be objective about the person you hate most,but how about you give it a try this time?

I'd like to be objective. I'm sure Nadal has some problem. What's interesting is that everytime he has lost at at GS, there is always a reference to some "problem" afterwards.

When he lost to Soderling. When he lost to Rosol this time.

My gripe is that for someone who is pretty damn sure Djokovic's breathing problems are *definitely* fake, you're asking folks to accept Nadal's issues at face value. That's the irony.

 

[Clarky21]

I'd like to be objective. I'm sure Nadal has some problem. What's interesting is that everytime he has lost at at GS, there is always a reference to some "problem" afterwards.

When he lost to Soderling. When he lost to Rosol this time.

My gripe is that for someone who is pretty damn sure Djokovic's breathing problems are *definitely* fake, you're asking folks to accept Nadal's issues at face value. That's the irony.

Has he ever had to miss 6 months due to his breathing problems?


And a sore throat is not breathing problems,but he still retired because of it.

 

[nikdom]

Has he ever had to miss 6 months due to his breathing problems?

So unless he misses 6 months he cannot have persistent health issues?

There is a clear difference in Djokovic's stamina and performance since he claimed to have discovered the root of his breathing issues.

On the other hand Nadal is the more suspicious one. How can someone who has claimed that his knee is literally "destroyed" multiple times, come back and dominate on clay - and win at the highest levels?

 

[Clarky21]

So unless he misses 6 months he cannot have persistent health issues?

There is a clear difference in Djokovic's stamina and performance since he claimed to have discovered the root of his breathing issues. On the other hand Nadal is the more suspicious one. How can someone who has claimed that his knee is literally "destroyed" multiple times, come back and dominate on clay - and win at the highest levels?

There is no saving you. That gluten-free crap is bs for a multitide of reasons yet you still keep insisting on it.


Sure he is. He's the one who went from 0-100 over night at the end of 2010.


And what's funny is you take Cvac's supposed health issues at face value while believing Nadal is a liar about his knee troubles,even though his knees have only gotten worse over the years. There's far more proof of Nadal's knee problems than of Cvac's mystery gluten allergy,yet you believe he is being honest while Nadal is a filthy liar.

 

[nikdom]

There is no saving you. That gluten-free crap is bs for a multitide of reasons yet you still keep insisting on it.


Sure he is. He's the one who went from 0-100 over night at the end of 2010.


And what's funny is you take Cvac's supposed health issues at face value while believing Nadal is a liar about his knee troubles,even though his knees have only gotten worse over the years. There's far more proof of Nadal's knee problems than of Cvac's mystery gluten allergy,yet you believe he is being honest while Nadal is a filthy liar.

Look, I'm not saying I know for certain about Djokovic's condition, unlike what you're claiming about Nadal.

There is reasonable doubt that people can have and surely Djokovic has abused the retiring ploy before. All I'm saying is that I see a noticeable difference in his endurance after he claimed his breathing problems were solved (how and why I cannot be as certain as you are about Nadal's issues). I'm willing to accept the gluten intolerance matter because I've seen regular people suffer from Crohn's disease.

 

[ALL IN]

One has to consider a few things when trying to label any player as anything based on retirements. What type of game do they play, is it highly physical? How many tournaments have they played in that month? Year? How far are they going in tournaments? Do they have any injuries entering the tournament? Some players elect to skip tournaments rather than attempt to play injured. Does that make one's strategy better than the other?


What if the player knew he couldn't win and wanted to hand over a walkover but did it for the fans? It's so easy to point the finger from behind your keyboard and type away. I'll bet half of you naysayers would quit playing inside of an hour of recreational club tennis. What a joke

 

[ALL IN]

There is no saving you. That gluten-free crap is bs for a multitide of reasons yet you still keep insisting on it.


Sure he is. He's the one who went from 0-100 over night at the end of 2010.


And what's funny is you take Cvac's supposed health issues at face value while believing Nadal is a liar about his knee troubles,even though his knees have only gotten worse over the years. There's far more proof of Nadal's knee problems than of Cvac's mystery gluten allergy,yet you believe he is being honest while Nadal is a filthy liar.

"Mystery" gluten allergy? You have no idea how stupid you come across to someone who may know more about this person that you can even imagine.

 

[Crisstti]

Troicki's stats :

Tokyo 2012 - Raonic - 0-3 RET
AO 2011 - Djokovic - 2-6 RET
Rotterdam 2010 - Melzer - 3-6, 0-3 RET
Cincinnati 2009 - Stepanek - 6-7(2), 0-1 RET
New Haven 2008 - Cilic - 1-2 RET
Barcelona 2008 - Almagro - 2-6 RET
Moscow 2007 - Vliegen - 3-6, 2-2 RET
Croatioa 2007 - Ungur - 3-6, 3-4 RET

He didn't retire many times minutes before losing. Doesn't look bad to me.

I'd like to be objective. I'm sure Nadal has some problem. What's interesting is that everytime he has lost at at GS, there is always a reference to some "problem" afterwards.

When he lost to Soderling. When he lost to Rosol this time.

My gripe is that for someone who is pretty damn sure Djokovic's breathing problems are *definitely* fake, you're asking folks to accept Nadal's issues at face value. That's the irony.

"Every time"?, those are NOT all the times Rafa has lost in a slam.

It's interesting how Fed fans like to point out how Fed has all these quarters and semis records. For players of the level of Fed and Rafa loses like those (Soderling and Rosol) are NOT normal. The most likely thing is indeed that something was wrong with them if that happens.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

All players from Serbia are quitters.

 

[Raz11]

A better statistic would be the percentage of all their matches ended in retirement. Even though he may have retired a lot of matches, he has also played a lot as well so that should be taken into consideration. Djokovic has a retirement rate of about 1.7% of all his matches played.

http://www.tennisabstract.com/reports/retirementReport.html

 

[MaiDee]

All players from Serbia are quitters.

I am (amateur) player from Serbia. and you think that I am quitter.
It's OK, you have right on your opinion.
My opinion is that you are pus_y.

Just saw that you are member from Jun 2012 with 929 posts.
Forget what I said above, and I apologize.