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What are you crying about ? Nobody here is discrediting Novak
The only ones discrediting a player here are you and tennisaddict and Chico of course
Nailed it, tipsa.
What are you crying about ? Nobody here is discrediting Novak
The only ones discrediting a player here are you and tennisaddict and Chico of course
I can't speak for everyone else but I certainly wasn't very enthusiastic beforehand.
Who dominates clay like Rafa? What's your point?
Exactly. Even if Nadal retires today, Novak will not catch his Slam count. Dimitrov or Murray however might go on to surpass Novak.
Exactly. Even if Nadal retires today, Novak will not catch his Slam count. Dimitrov or Murray however might go on to surpass Novak.
What are you crying about ? Nobody here is discrediting Novak
The only ones discrediting a player here are you and tennisaddict and Chico of course
Like I said before, Novak doesn't have to catch Nadal's Slam count to be considered greater than him. And if you think Dimitrov may surpass Nole, why can't Nole surpass Nadal?
YES, he does!
What are you crying about ? Nobody here is discrediting Novak
The only ones discrediting a player here are you and tennisaddict and Chico of course
The constant FO hate here is absolutely stunning. Physically it's the hardest slam to win, the man is 66-1 there and people act like he hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Straight-up embarrassing.
YES, he does!
I have not discredited Nadal. What he has accomplished on clay is insane.
What you need appreciation is that Nadal has been fortunate to have clay as his dominant surface. If he had hard courts as his favorite, he would have probably been wherever Novak is today.
Like I said before, Novak doesn't have to catch Nadal's Slam count to be considered greater than him. And if you think Dimitrov may surpass Nole, why can't Nole surpass Nadal?
Winning 7 or 8 Slams for a 23 year old is easier and more realistic than for a 27 year old soon to be daddy Djokovic.
Tennis is much better when it rewards talent and brain more than physicality. No wonder many find Nadal's game ugly even as on date.
The point is that the domination is on account of weaker competition. Novak does not enjoy the same benefit.
It does not need an Einstein to know that the only top player to have clay as their best surface other than Nadal is his lap dog, Ferrer.
It is an irony he loses to him in hard court majors after crushing him left and right on clay.
Nadal has stopped Federer winning about another 5 French Opens. So Federer would have the same number of French Opens as Borg if Nadal hadn't been in his way, not to mention the Monte Carlos and Romes. If that had happened, he'd be talked of as the clay GOAT or very close to it. Instead, Federer has 1 French Open and you downplay Federer on clay because that's where Nadal has dominated so utterly.
What's so ugly about Nadal's game? He brings in more crowd in his practice courts than any other tennis player.
Why do you keep just talking about Slams all the time?![]()
Tell that to Mustard. He tries to discredit Novak at any given opportunity. It's really sad to see.
Tennis is much better when it rewards talent and brain more than physicality. No wonder many find Nadal's game ugly even as on date.
Novak is an excellent clay court player (quite a bit better than on grass) and so was Fed was also excellent so that's 7 of his 9. Yeah, not buying it.
That's teenage girls for you.![]()
No, I'm not discrediting him. He deserves full credit for what he has achieved. What I don't like is how Nadal's big wins over Djokovic are brushed aside as if they're unimportant. Before the French Open final last month, some people were placing greater importance on Beijing/WTF/Miami/Rome than on the French Open/US Open. That was utterly absurd and deserved to be pointed out.
Even now, a month later, it's happening again. Some people are acting like Djokovic had no chance in the French Open, as if he was never seriously had a hope in hell. Before the match, some people were singing a different tune. It has echoes of the Nadal vs. Federer French Open finals when Federer would be talked up before the matches, but then they would act like Federer was always going to lose once it was over.
Now that Djokovic has won Wimbledon, he's going to dominate everything now in these people's minds. Hell, he could even surpass Nadal's career achievements in their minds.
yeah 50 year old teenagers. And not many care about Novak's boring game. The most boring player with 7 Slams I've seen.
On clay,
Novak - who has 0 FO and 2 finals. Both times did not win more than 1 set.
Federer - never won more than 1 set in any of the final. Thrashed every time.
Sorry, let us move on..
Then you have the 4th player, Andy Murray, who is yet to win a ATP 250.
So, there you go about the clay competition.
Seriously people. Djokovic has surpassed Nadal already.
Simply:
Hard + Grass >>>>>>>>>>>>> Clay. End of story.
Not to list all the intangibles that are all way way in Novak's favor.
If you don't think it takes talent to win the FO, you don't know tennis.
But isn't Novak your 8th favourite player Backspin?![]()
Whichever way you spin it, you cannot deny that 3 of the top 4 have clay as their weakest surface. Do you agree or not ?
LOL.
2 weeks back Djoko fans were crying how he won't win more Slams. And now Djoko beats a 33 year old player in 5 sets in Wimbledon, and suddenly he'll surpass Nadal? :lol:
Remember, "Wawrinka will win CYGS 2014" after he won AO? :lol:
This place is totally nuts!
Chico, again with his classless post, showing why he's the most subjective poster ever. And I thought he might have improved. Something's never change!
No, I'm not discrediting him. He deserves full credit for what he has achieved. What I don't like is how Nadal's big wins over Djokovic are brushed aside as if they're unimportant. Before the French Open final last month, some people were placing greater importance on Beijing/WTF/Miami/Rome than on the French Open/US Open. That was utterly absurd and deserved to be pointed out.
Even now, a month later, it's happening again. Some people are acting like Djokovic had no chance in the French Open, as if he never seriously had a hope in hell. Before the match, some people were singing a different tune. It has echoes of the Nadal vs. Federer French Open finals when Federer would be talked up before the matches, but then they would act like Federer was always going to lose once it was over.
Now that Djokovic has won Wimbledon, he's going to dominate everything now in these people's minds. Hell, he could even surpass Nadal's career achievements in their minds.
If you don't think it takes talent to win the FO, you don't know tennis.
Novak's weakest surface is grass (2 Wimby titles notwithstanding). Clay is his second best surface. The reason he only has 2 French finals and no wins is because he's been stopped by the greatest clay court player in history 6 times. Without Nadal, Novak has way more French finals and probably 3 French Open titles.
The fact that they can't beat Nadal on clay doesn't make it their weakest surface. Murray yes but why does he matter here?
If you look at history, you would see people with accomplishments on hard / grass are rated higher than those who got the same level on clay.
Grass / Wimbledon is always the pinnacle of sport. Hard is very popular. Clay is at the bottom of the pit.
I thought they are tie on grass.
Unless Nadal fans can proved that Nadal had a superior competition, then he's greater than Nole on grass.
If you look at history, you would see people with accomplishments on hard / grass are rated higher than those who got the same level on clay.
Grass / Wimbledon is always the pinnacle of sport. Hard is very popular. Clay is at the bottom of the pit.
The fact that they can't beat Nadal on clay doesn't make it their weakest surface. Murray yes but why does he matter here?
His fans make it hard for me to like him. And he denied Federer a historic 8th Wimbledon! I believed this was Fed's best chance to add another Slam. I'm sure most Nadal fans supported Novak because they think too much about the Slam record. But Federer needed this win more than Djokovic.
How do his fans make it difficult for you to like him? Novak isn't responsible for his fans' behaviour! And I think the Djokovic fans on this forum are really good but that's just my opinion.
Murray, yes. Fed/Novak may've each won 3+ RGs and plenty more masters events on clay if they weren't up against Nadal.
I had no idea that I watched Novak come out of the tunnel 5 times on the final Sunday at Wimbledon or beat prime Federer and almost damn near do it in 2007.
I had no idea that I watched Novak come out of the tunnel 5 times on the final Sunday at Wimbledon or beat prime Federer and almost damn near do it in 2007.
Clay is the most popular surface for tennis in mainland Europe and Central/South America. Hardcourt tournaments were rare before the mid 1970s.
How do his fans make it difficult for you to like him? Novak isn't responsible for his fans' behaviour! And I think the Djokovic fans on this forum are really good but that's just my opinion.
They have won majors everywhere else. They have not won a set in a final at FO. That shows beyond doubt that it is their least favorite surface.
If you look at history, you would see people with accomplishments on hard / grass are rated higher than those who got the same level on clay.
Grass / Wimbledon is always the pinnacle of sport. Hard is very popular. Clay is at the bottom of the pit.