Novak Djokovic's Second Response

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Tennis_Hands

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well done Novak. The usual idiots and losers will grumble but that is life. On to Europe!
By putting himself into that post he actually is saying "I am moving on", so, the post is not really about her, but about himself. The fact that he didn't care to point at the real problem with the "community" shows how much he "cares" about what is happening to her.

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Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
If I understand the intention of that gif, it couldn't have been more misplaced.

In fact, considering why you made this thread, you must have thought about what describes your state at this time.

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The Djoktards are out in full force trying to defend their guy for what happened and the incredibly ****ty way he handled the situation, by just taking off without answering any questions from the media or owning up to what he did in a presser. :-D
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
If being a multimillionaire, one of the best players ever, with millions of followers, who won all the top tournaments, and with many other records makes you a fool one wonders what’s left for the rest of the planet
The former has nothing to do with the latter. He is all you described, because he is supremely good at hitting a ball. No great intelligence or manners are involved in that.

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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Djoker is not responsible for what fans do.
Let this lineswoman simply restrict her social media accounts. Problem solved.
She certainly does not need any "support".
It would be great if we never hear from her again.
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
If I understand the intention of that gif, it couldn't have been more misplaced.

In fact, considering why you made this thread, you must have thought about what describes your state at this time.

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You should think of your state dude, this is not even a thread about Fed and about half of the messages are from you Lol! Go spread the hate
and 'expert analysis' somewhere else :-D
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nole doesn't need support since he's not the victim. LOL!

If many of his fans have any class, they should support the lineswoman rather than attack her. She's the one who got injured and dealing with trauma.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
The Djoktards are out in full force trying to defend their guy for what happened and the incredibly ****ty way he handled the situation, by just taking off without answering any questions from the media or owning up to what he did in a presser. :-D
Obviously he could have done better, but this response is better than nothing, right? About half of Djokovic fans on the site have made peace with the call and understand it was the right call to make. Think critically, Big. We're capable of condemning the way he acted and realizing he could have done more without witch-hunting him for putting out a statement against attacking this woman.
 

TripleATeam

Legend

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
It's good that he said this, kudos to him.

No-one can "control" their fans but when the person concerned does this it gives the decent fans more authority to speak up. They can say stuff like "look, Novak's asked us to stop doing this." So it is helpful. And if it's going to work it's much better to appeal to fans' better nature than to tell them "stop doing this. you sh*theads" even if this does feel more satisfying to those outside the club.

You don't really get nasty stuff between Fed and Nadal fans on social media anymore because the number who bought into their love-in just became so many that people who wanted to carry on the old fight became isolated. I only realised how effective it had been when it occurred to me that I'm not even that bothered if Nadal wins the French Open - they feel so much like a pair these days equality seems quite natural.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Yes, by not posting the message, it would have effectively not posted the message.

He should have gone further, as I said. Still tells people that she needs support, and I'm from a part of the world where supporting someone means "don't send them death threats."

Yes it is.

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I crack up laughing often upon reading the bureaucratic posts of some of you. Yes, technically he could not say a word for the rest of his life. Guess what, he is a public figure and needs to deal with that thing called public image (even if he caters only to his faithful following).

Again, she doesn't need their support. She needs these people to stay out of her life. That is all.

No it is not. It is generally accepted that the vile comments are actually not part of any normality, so they shouldn't even be considered an end goal of any appeal for support.

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Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
This is great stuff from Novak. Plenty of players would have made the first statement and then gone to ground over this.

Not Novak. You get the feeling that he has sensed some ugly stuff happening online in the wake of new york. Rather than letting it go he has stepped up and made a gesture against online bullying at a time when he could have easily just disappeared and sulked.

The news about playing Rome and RG is a message to people like me who wondered where his head was at in the wake of this.

We got our answer: Novak is already back in the game and preparing for one of the most important clay campaigns of his career.

This is a pretty impressive way to bounce back from one of the biggest disappointments of his career, and he is doing all this at the same time that he is juggling the PTPA commitments and a growing family.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
I crack up laughing often upon reading the bureaucratic posts of some of you. Yes, technically he could not say a word for the rest of his life. Guess what, he is a public figure and needs to deal with that thing called public image (even if he caters only to his faithful following).

Again, she doesn't need their support. She needs these people to stay out of her life. That is all.

No it is not. It is generally accepted that the vile comments are actually not part of any normality, so they shouldn't even be considered an end goal of any appeal for support.

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I often find myself wondering if you're purposefully reductive or if you're putting on a persona. You do realize people have different ways of saying the same thing? If I say "I must have an apple" I don't literally mean I need an apple or else I will die, I'm obviously saying "I'd like an apple."

Similarly, "give her support" doesn't mean "go flood her social media with both death threats and lovely messages!" It means "Stop the trolls. Don't send her death threats." I swear, you're the only person that could read "give this woman support" and say "Wow, Novak's an arse."

As for him needing to address this, he really didn't have to. He could have stayed silent. Not like his public image can get much worse. He decided to do it, even if there was strong suggestion in order to help stop the bleeding.

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Lew II

Legend
By putting himself into that post he actually is saying "I am moving on", so, the post is not really about her, but about himself. The fact that he didn't care to point at the real problem with the "community" shows how much he "cares" about what is happening to her.

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Blah blah Djokovic I hate you blah blah 40-15 blah blah
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I often find myself wondering if you're purposefully reductive or if you're putting on a persona. You do realize people have different ways of saying the same thing? If I say "I must have an apple" I don't literally mean I need an apple or else I will die, I'm obviously saying "I'd like an apple."
Interesting that you are doing exactly that by saying that he could not say a word.

Similarly, "give her support" doesn't mean "go flood her social media with both death threats and lovely messages!" It means "Stop the trolls. Don't send her death threats." I swear, you're the only person that could read "give this woman support" and say "Wow, Novak's an arse."
No. Give her support means "actively show encouragement". She needs neither from that group, but she needs the vile attacks on her personality/life to stop ASAP.

I already told you that in no normal perception is eliminating death threads an end goal of an appeal for support. That would be weird to say the least.

As for him needing to address this, he really didn't have to. He could have stayed silent. Not like his public image can get much worse. He decided to do it, even if there was strong suggestion in order to help stop the bleeding.
Ah, yes, he could have glossed over the issue, but how would he have said it without hurting his public image even more? You are wrong, Novak is well liked from many decent fans, so you are purposefully picturing him in the corner with nothing to lose just so that your comment appears somewhat adequate. There is no scenario where he "stops the bleeding" by not saying a word on that matter anymore.

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TripleATeam

Legend
Interesting that you are doing exactly that by saying that he could not say a word.
He used language that anyone reasonable would have understood.
No. Give her support means "actively show encouragement". She needs neither from that group, but she needs the vile attacks on her personality/life to stop ASAP.

I already told you that in no normal perception are death threads an end goal to an appeal for support. That would be weird to say the least.
To offer support means being kind/helping them. It doesn't necessarily mean to encourage them. It means to do whatever you can to assist them. Not making death threats is definitely supportive/caring, as is keeping your fellow fans in check to keep them from making death threats.

From what I'm understanding, your claim is Death threats = offer support?
Ah, yes, he could have glossed over the issue, but how would he have said it without hurting his public image even more? You are wrong, Novak is well liked from many decent fans, so you are purposefully picturing him in the corner with nothing to lose just so that your comment appears somewhat adequate. There is no scenario where he "stops the bleeding" by not saying a word on that matter anymore.

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There are many scenarios where something blows over. It's happened countless times so far and it very well could have happened again. You don't know how the tides would have played out. Many PR teams just tell their clients not to address it and it blows over eventually.

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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
He used language that anyone reasonable would have understood.
That comment doesn't address anything that you quoted in relation to it. It is not about him, in this instance, but about what you said, and in no scenario (if we should talk about Novak's reaction) "not saying a word/not writing about it" which was your "alternative" to what he could do equals "language that anyone reasonable would have understood". You can't understand anything, if nothing is said.

To offer support means being kind/helping them. It doesn't necessarily mean to encourage them. It means to do whatever you can to assist them. Not making death threats is definitely supportive/caring, as is keeping your fellow fans in check to keep them from making death threats..
The only way of "helping" someone on the Internet/Social media is by showing encouragement in words. I hope you are not suggesting that his fans should start looking for her in real life. Considering the nature of some of the posts in her direction that is much more worrying as a suggestion.

"Not making death threats is definitely supportive/caring"

Jeeze, I don't know where you live where the perception is such, but I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that society where such a thing is even considered as a sign of "support". The normal society is well past that point, I hope.

From what I'm understanding, your claim is Death threats = offer support?
WHAT? Are you out of your mind?

I am saying that death threats are such a grave occurrence, that in no way they (or rather, their elimination) should be even considered in any relation to an act of support. Not even as an end goal of a call for support. Simply put, they are such a dark occurrence that they are out of bounds to any normal person, let alone to one calling for extra support for the others.

There are many scenarios where something blows over. It's happened countless times so far and it very well could have happened again. You don't know how the tides would have played out. Many PR teams just tell their clients not to address it and it blows over eventually.
That would leave those wondering cold, which is a PR disaster. Such means are reserved for the worst offences, and that is just a tennis match.

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TripleATeam

Legend
That comment doesn't address anything that you quoted in relation to it. It is not about him, in this instance, but about what you said, and in no scenario (if we should talk about Novak's reaction) "not saying a word/not writing about it" which was your "alternative" to what he could do equals "language that anyone reasonable would have understood". You can't understand anything, if nothing is said.
I see you need everything spelled out for you. Fair enough.
The only way of "helping" someone on the Internet/Social media is by showing encouragement in words. I hope you are not suggesting that his fans should start looking for her in real life. Considering the nature of some of the posts in her direction that is much more worrying as a suggestion.
Wrong. You can stop other fans from doing these things by reporting them, talking them down, and by getting them banned off social media.
"Not making death threats is definitely supportive/caring"

Jeeze, I don't know where you live where the perception is such, but I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that society where such a thing is even considered as a sign of "support". The normal society is well past that point, I hope.
Of course it has. So bear with me here, this may be difficult to follow. If Djokovic wants people to be supportive and caring, and death threats aren't supportive nor caring, Djokovic doesn't want people to do death threats. Sound reasonable? :)

WHAT? Are you out of your mind?

I am saying that death threats are such a grave occurrence, that in no way they should be even considered in any relation to an act of support. Not even as a end goal of a call for support. Simply put they are such a dark occurrence that they are out of bounds to any normal person, let alone to one calling for extra
Clearly there's something that isn't coming across. You didn't think Djokovic saying "be supportive and caring" meant "don't do death threats". If these things have no relation to one another, this means if my mother asked me to be supportive and caring of my brother, I could send him death threats. Obviously this isn't true, so you're just plain old incorrect here.
That would leave those wondering cold, which is a PR disaster. Such means are reserved for the worst offences, and that is just a tennis match.

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It's really a widely used tool, I have no idea why you think it's a last resort kind of thing. Really not addressing it and hoping it blows over is frightfully common (just look at America for the past 10 months).

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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
So, rather than directly calling the perpetrators on their actions according to you Djokovic is calling for a fan war in the social media?

Of course it has. So bear with me here, this may be difficult to follow. If Djokovic wants people to be supportive and caring, and death threats aren't supportive nor caring, Djokovic doesn't want people to do death threats. Sound reasonable? :)
You should do less condescending and more thoughtfulness. I said that it goes without saying that death threats shouldn't even be on the agenda, so whatever Djokovic is "supporting" it is not the "elimination" of something that is appalling, no comments needed. The very idea that he might be addressing such an issue with the words "to show support" is ridiculous.

Clearly there's something that isn't coming across. You didn't think Djokovic saying "be supportive and caring" meant "don't do death threats". If these things have no relation to one another, this means if my mother asked me to be supportive and caring of my brother, I could send him death threats. Obviously this isn't true, so you're just plain old incorrect here.
If you think about death threats when your mother calls for you to support your brother there is something very wrong with you, regardless of whether you think about sending him such or not sending him such. Same with Djokovic and his call for support.

It's really a widely used tool, I have no idea why you think it's a last resort kind of thing. Really not addressing it and hoping it blows over is frightfully common (just look at America for the past 10 months).
I don't know that you mean by "America for the past 10 months", but if that is some implication that there things that are not addressed get blown over, I think you haven't been paying attention.

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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
"Not making death threats is definitely supportive/caring"

Jeeze, I don't know where you live where the perception is such, but I know that I wouldn't want to be part of that society where such a thing is even considered as a sign of "support". The normal society is well past that point, I hope.
Djoker has to be diplomatic.
He cannot say, "Stop making death threats and harassing this woman online".
Instead, he tells people to be supportive of her.

Get it now?

Instead of being such an annoying do-nothing whiny malcontent, why don't you put your trolling skills to good use and write the Instagram statement that you would have liked to have seen from Djoker.

Here is your big chance to be Djoker's PR manager.

Go ahead. Do it. Write the alternate 10 line statement. We can wait.
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mxmx

Hall of Fame
By putting himself into that post he actually is saying "I am moving on", so, the post is not really about her, but about himself. The fact that he didn't care to point at the real problem with the "community" shows how much he "cares" about what is happening to her.

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...which also helps and insinuates that others should move on as well. (If he moves on, his fan may as well. If he cares too much they will too and keep harassing the woman).
 

TripleATeam

Legend
You should do less condescending and more thoughtfulness. I said that it goes without saying that death threats shouldn't even be on the agenda, so whatever Djokovic is "supporting" it is not the "elimination" of something that is appalling, no comments needed. The very idea that he might be addressing such an issue with the words "to show support" is ridiculous.
Ok. Here's what people would say to a variety of his responses:
  1. "Please stop sending death threats to this woman. It is the last thing I want." -> "Djokovic didn't say to stop harassing her in general! Clearly he wants his trolls to keep doing it!"
  2. "Stop harassing this woman, period. Do not message her, do not try to find her, do not give out her personal information. If you've already done so, delete those posts and do not do it in the future." -> "Novak isn't calling for the trolls to apologize to this woman!"
  3. "Stop harassing this woman, but only after you apologize to her." -> "Novak isn't leaving this poor woman alone!"
There is a language you use to keep yourself from taking too strong a stance on either side. This was a small disapproval of his supporters. I wish he'd gone further, but this is a milquetoast strategy and it's plenty well worded to make every credible news outlet understand. Why can't you?

If you think about death threats when your mother calls for you to support your brother there is something very wrong with you, regardless of whether you think about sending him such or not sending him such. Same with Djokovic and his call for support.
You make the claim that these are two very different things. I disagree. Caring and support mean being civil. Civility is not death threats. It was an example and clearly went over your head.
I don't know that you mean by "America for the past 10 months", but if that is some implication that there things that are not addressed get blown over, I think you haven't been paying attention.

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Yeah, they do. There were a lot of things that happened in a lot of political campaigns that just blew over because no one addressed them. I've been following news pretty closely, bud.

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Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Classy response from Djokovic. He had no obligation to take responsibility for the handful of nutters abusing this woman online, but he has done a decent, humane thing here.

it's a shame Federer didn't ask the more rabid elements of his fan-base to calm down, years ago. We may have been spared years of vitriol and unsporting behaviour, both online and at the matches.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Ok. Here's what people would say to a variety of his responses:
  1. "Please stop sending death threats to this woman. It is the last thing I want." -> "Djokovic didn't say to stop harassing her in general! Clearly he wants his trolls to keep doing it!"
  2. "Stop harassing this woman, period. Do not message her, do not try to find her, do not give out her personal information. If you've already done so, delete those posts and do not do it in the future." -> "Novak isn't calling for the trolls to apologize to this woman!"
  3. "Stop harassing this woman, but only after you apologize to her." -> "Novak isn't leaving this poor woman alone!"
There is a language you use to keep yourself from taking too strong a stance on either side. This was a small disapproval of his supporters. I wish he'd gone further, but this is a milquetoast strategy and it's plenty well worded to make every credible news outlet understand. Why can't you?
Here is another thing he could say:

"Given the circumstances of being involved in this purely accidental situation and unfortunate circumstances, I find it rather important that we don't treat that matter in any other way than with understanding about what is important. In that light I find some of the comments in the direction of the lines person rather disturbing. There shouldn't be any negative consequences for her from what happened and I strongly condemn such behaviour, regardless of how strongly you feel about the events. I myself would never have stood up for such an attitude, and hope that anyone supporting me wouldn't either, so let's show our best sides and move on. One should never forget that tennis is just a game and intervening in people's lives like that goes well beyond the acceptable attitude towards it. I hope everyone understands that that is not necessary and actually detrimental in every way. Well wishes, blah blah"


You make the claim that these are two very different things. I disagree. Caring and support mean being civil. Civility is not death threats. It was an example and clearly went over your head.
Bolded: exactly, so that needs not even be said. As far as I am concerned, seeing your interpretations of what I said plenty a things went over your head, not mine.

You make the claim that these are two very different things. I disagree. Caring and supportYeah, they do. There were a lot of things that happened in a lot of political campaigns that just blew over because no one addressed them. I've been following news pretty closely, bud.

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They are two different things. You may disagree. It is the understanding of what is admissible in interpreting certain ideas/words that makes them different.

If the current situation in America teaches us something, it is that nothing that is glossed over doesn't come back to bite someone in the derriere, so you might be following closely, but maybe you are glossing over it (to use the relevant example).

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TripleATeam

Legend
leadership at its finest? by Novak and his fans standard?
Of course not. He made a statement that I wish would have gone as far as condemning the death threats. But it definitely is better than nothing. I'd want him to do more, but I'm not claiming that this was in any way a negative post or tacitly supporting what his fans have done.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Djoker has to be diplomatic.
He cannot say, "Stop making death threats and harassing this woman online".
Instead, he tells people to be supportive of her.

Get it now?

Instead of being such an annoying do-nothing whiny malcontent, why don't you put your trolling skills to good use and write the Instagram statement that you would have liked to have seen from Djoker.

Here is your big chance to be Djoker's PR manager.

Go ahead. Do it. Write the alternate 10 line statement. We can wait.
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I wrote him a diplomatic, yet relevant to his fanbase actions response. For free.

You can sent it to him now, and he could publish it as it is. I managed under 10 lines too.

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