Novak fans, Novak is finally the GOAT
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GabeT
Legend
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Not the GOAT imo but I think putting this record to bed will allow him to focus solely on the Slams now. I don't really think anyone would be clear GOAT btw if/when he clears the record.
Slam record - Federer and Nadal
Weeks record - potentially Djokovic
YE #1 - Sampras and Djokovic
WTF record - Federer
Masters record - Djokovic
Consistency in Slams and streaks - Federer and Djokovic
To answer the the thread, I'd love 2 more AOs, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more USO. Olympic gold would be icing on the cake.
Slam record - Federer and Nadal
Weeks record - potentially Djokovic
YE #1 - Sampras and Djokovic
WTF record - Federer
Masters record - Djokovic
Consistency in Slams and streaks - Federer and Djokovic
To answer the the thread, I'd love 2 more AOs, 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more USO. Olympic gold would be icing on the cake.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Olympic Gold since he is missing that and wants it badly.
Two to three Majors, with US Open being one of those.
And Monte Carlo which would mean he's won every big annual tournament since I started TTWing.
Two to three Majors, with US Open being one of those.
And Monte Carlo which would mean he's won every big annual tournament since I started TTWing.
ForehandRF
Hall of Fame
There won't be a clear GOAT indeed because they are too close.The debate will continue for years, with fanboys having nothing to gain about it and at the same time the BIG3 will enjoy their rich lifestyle.
skaj
Hall of Fame
Olympic gold record - Murray
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol I know and it's kind of pathetic, yet funny at the same time and I'm so ashamed I have taken part in this madness.
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NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Well yea you can add that but was it played the entire time during the OE?
the green god
Professional
Can't wait until he wins the real Slam again, Sinnsinatti.
Tennis_Freak99
Hall of Fame
Olympic Gold for sure. That will be awesome
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
LOL, he only has 16 majors and he won't ever get to 20 with all the young guns coming up like Thiem, Tsisipas , Medvedev(made novak his pigeon), and rafaWhich titles do you like to see him winning now that his goal is finally achieved?
I personally would like to see him winning the Olimpics and USO again.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Third Serve
G.O.A.T.
To be fair, the same applies to Masters 1000s. There were what could be called Masters equivalents but it's tough to gauge.
ForehandRF
Hall of Fame
Fed should send me a Rolex limited edition and some Swiss chocolate for defending him over the years, on the internetLol I know and it's kind of pathetic, yet funny at the same time and I'm so ashamed I have taken part in this madness.
Jonesy
Hall of Fame
That is the hardest to get.
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Yea but they had an equivalent though as you said. We can count their equivalents and only Lendl has over 20, at 22. McEnroe has 19, so both behind the big 3.
NatF
Bionic Poster
But they weren't mandatory.
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
And Djokovic owes me a Peugeot.Fed should send me a Rolex limited edition and some Swiss chocolate for defending him over the years, on the internet
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
True, they weren't which means top players back then played them less but the Olympics wasn't played at all for 3 editions in the OE. Still, Murray's achievement is excellent and deserves recognition.
Slowtwitcher
Hall of Fame
20>20>17
It's math.
It's math.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I wasn't following the whole conversation. It was about Murray?
I don't think much of the Rio edition of the Olympics, London was a great though - lots of in-form players.
Third Serve
G.O.A.T.
Rio 2016 was basically 2016 USO part 1. Andy kinda vultured that one, but 2012 on the other hand was an excellent tournament and an incredible tournament from the Muzziah.I wasn't following the whole conversation. It was about Murray?
NatF
Bionic Poster
Indeed. I think the level of tennis at Rio was quite poor and on a slow af HC to boot.
Third Serve
G.O.A.T.
Yeah. Only real memorable part was Delpo's run to the final (would be cool if he had won).
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Most Olympic gold runs have rather easy draws on paper but it's different because these players play like their lives depend on it because they are playing for country so it kind of levels out. Murray's 2012 run looked to have a more extraordinary draw but 2016 was more of the norm. Still think 2016 was impressive from Murray.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Someone forgot to tell that to Nishikori in the SF that but then again 90% of the time he's a free bye for the top players, unfortunately for Nadal in the Bronze play-off it was that other 10%
NatF
Bionic Poster
Guy had no gas. Glad he got some revenge in the MOTY in Davis Cup - makes me sad matches like that will no longer be possible.
Third Serve
G.O.A.T.
Ah, yeah, that match! Man, now I'm missing the Davis Cup.
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
Actually, it's the Steve Johnson match that kind of proves what I'm saying. On a good day, Murray wins that match easily 9/10 times but Steve played incredible there and not what you normally see. Murray almost lost that one.Someone forgot to tell that to Nishikori in the SF that but then again 90% of the time he's a free bye for the top players, unfortunately for Nadal in the Bronze play-off it was that other 10%
especially the 20>20 part
Born_to_slice
Hall of Fame
I'd like him to win 6 more slams. Don't mind which ones.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Fair enough.
2AOs, 1FO, 1USO 2Wimbs, 1OG 1 more WTF
What I think Vajda is planning to do is after the 311 is achieved that ranking will not be the priority and he will organise his planning and periodisation solely for 2-3 Masters and all 4 GSs. Only if his periodisation is peaking at these comps he has a good chance of breaking the 20. Drop all other activities including all the politics, pyramids and focus on the family and 2-3 more yrs of tennis. Then, pack up and leave tennis as the GOAT.
What I think Vajda is planning to do is after the 311 is achieved that ranking will not be the priority and he will organise his planning and periodisation solely for 2-3 Masters and all 4 GSs. Only if his periodisation is peaking at these comps he has a good chance of breaking the 20. Drop all other activities including all the politics, pyramids and focus on the family and 2-3 more yrs of tennis. Then, pack up and leave tennis as the GOAT.
if he peaks at 4 GS and 3 Masters, that's good enough to retain the weeks at #1
that is how the system works today, via mandatory tournaments
you can't be #1 player by winning ATP 250 and ATP 500 level of tournaments
Indigo
Semi-Pro
Title is very interesting and provocative like most of the things here, some in good sense, some in bad. Well, Novak isn't GOAT just as Roger and Rafa aren't GOATs. Why? Novak misses GS titles record while Rafael and Roger miss MS, Weeks, Years and H2H records. What will happen in the future? If Novak perseveres in atrocious grinding to get to 20 and above despite his old age and new emerging forces in tennis, we could say he is GOAT. Without GS record he can't be GOAT. The same applies to Rafa and Fed. Even though they lead in GS record they can't be GOATs because they miss in important records elsewhere. GOAT should have it all. Only Novak can be GOAT one day provided he improves his GS record. Nadal and Federer will never be GOATs, their chances are gone. If Novak fails short to reach GS record, GOAT will be elusive category and the one with such qualities will yet have to arrive to tennis land. These three will just be ATGs above the pack of other ATGs, but really good and exceptional ATGs...
pico
Semi-Pro
He should drop the politics. It def made him lose focus this latter half of the year along with other things.
I understand that but it won't be his driving force, whether he is No.2 or No. 3 or No. 1. That's what I was referring to. Peaking at 4GS, does not mean he wins them all. He just peaks for them and targets a higher peak as he progresses through the rounds. If I were in his shoes I would end the season after USO and no tennis till the Aussie summer next season.if he peaks at 4 GS and 3 Masters, that's good enough to retain the weeks at #1
that is how the system works today, via mandatory tournaments
you can't be #1 player by winning ATP 250 and ATP 500 level of tournaments
duaneeo
Hall of Fame
The title is bait (like most of the things here).
FedFosterWallace
G.O.A.T.
We're not subscribers, though. Neither do we pay a dime, nor are we compensated for our marketing efforts.
Thusly, perhaps we might be forgiven for snapping at the lure.
A-gain and a-gain.
duaneeo
Hall of Fame
I tell myself: "ignore"..."don't feed"..."keep moving"...We're not subscribers, though. Neither do we pay a dime, nor are we compensated for our marketing efforts.
Thusly, perhaps we might be forgiven for snapping at the lure.
A-gain and a-gain.
But eventually...snap!
RaulRamirez
Hall of Fame
20 is greater than 20?