Yep, Shaolin has confirmed that Djokovic, despite trailing by 3 slams, is the GOAT.
no debate now, it’s over.
There won't be a clear GOAT indeed because they are too close.The debate will continue for years, with fanboys having nothing to gain about it and at the same time the BIG3 will enjoy their rich lifestyle.Not the GOAT imo but I think putting this record to bed will allow him to focus solely on the Slams now. I don't really think anyone would be clear GOAT btw if/when he clears the record.
Slam record - Federer and Nadal
Weeks record - potentially Djokovic
YE #1 - Sampras and Djokovic
WTF record - Federer
Masters record - Djokovic
Consistency in Slams and streaks - Federer and Djokovic
Olympic gold record - MurrayNot the GOAT imo but I think putting this record to bed will allow him to focus solely on the Slams now. I don't really think anyone would be clear GOAT btw if/when he clears the record.
Slam record - Federer and Nadal
Weeks record - potentially Djokovic
YE #1 - Sampras and Djokovic
WTF record - Federer
Masters record - Djokovic
Consistency in Slams and streaks - Federer and Djokovic
To answer the the thread, I'd love 2 more AOs and 1 more Wimbledon and 1 more USO. Olympic gold would be icing on the cake.
Lol I know and it's kind of pathetic, yet funny at the same time and I'm so ashamed I have taken part in this madness.There won't be a clear GOAT indeed because they are too close.The debate will continue for years, with fanboys having nothing to gain about it and at the same time the BIG3 will enjoy their rich lifestyle.
Well yea you can add that but was it played the entire time during the OE?Olympic gold record - Murray
LOL, he only has 16 majors and he won't ever get to 20 with all the young guns coming up like Thiem, Tsisipas , Medvedev(made novak his pigeon), and rafaWhich titles do you like to see him winning now that his goal is finally achieved?
I personally would like to see him winning the Olimpics and USO again.
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Aussie open don't count. it's like small major and it really is considered insignificant slam, which explains why novak won it so many times.Would be nice if he win AO atleast 10 times.
To be fair, the same applies to Masters 1000s. There were what could be called Masters equivalents but it's tough to gauge.Well yea you can add that but was it played the entire time during the OE?
Fed should send me a Rolex limited edition and some Swiss chocolate for defending him over the years, on the internetLol I know and it's kind of pathetic, yet funny at the same time and I'm so ashamed I have taken part in this madness.![]()
That is the hardest to get.Olympic gold record - Murray
Yea but they had an equivalent though as you said. We can count their equivalents and only Lendl has over 20, at 22. McEnroe has 19, so both behind the big 3.To be fair, the same applies to Masters 1000s. There were what could be called Masters equivalents but it's tough to gauge.
But they weren't mandatory.Yea but they had an equivalent though as you said. We can count their equivalents and only Lendl has over 20, at 22. McEnroe has 19, so both behind the big 3.
And Djokovic owes me a Peugeot.Fed should send me a Rolex limited edition and some Swiss chocolate for defending him over the years, on the internet![]()
True, they weren't which means top players back then played them less but the Olympics wasn't played at all for 3 editions in the OE. Still, Murray's achievement is excellent and deserves recognition.But they weren't mandatory.
I wasn't following the whole conversation. It was about Murray?True, they weren't which means top players back then played them less but the Olympics wasn't played at all for 3 editions in the OE. Still, Murray's achievement is excellent and deserves recognition.
Rio 2016 was basically 2016 USO part 1. Andy kinda vultured that one, but 2012 on the other hand was an excellent tournament and an incredible tournament from the Muzziah.I wasn't following the whole conversation. It was about Murray?I don't think much of the Rio edition of the Olympics, London was a great though - lots of in-form players.
Indeed. I think the level of tennis at Rio was quite poor and on a slow af HC to boot.Rio 2016 was basically 2016 USO part 1. Andy kinda vultured that one, but 2012 on the other hand was an excellent tournament and an incredible tournament from the Muzziah.
Yeah. Only real memorable part was Delpo's run to the final (would be cool if he had won).Indeed. I think the level of tennis at Rio was quite poor and on a slow af HC to boot.
Most Olympic gold runs have rather easy draws on paper but it's different because these players play like their lives depend on it because they are playing for country so it kind of levels out. Murray's 2012 run looked to have a more extraordinary draw but 2016 was more of the norm. Still think 2016 was impressive from Murray.Rio 2016 was basically 2016 USO part 1. Andy kinda vultured that one, but 2012 on the other hand was an excellent tournament and an incredible tournament from the Muzziah.
Someone forgot to tell that to Nishikori in the SF that but then again 90% of the time he's a free bye for the top players, unfortunately for Nadal in the Bronze play-off it was that other 10%Most Olympic gold runs have rather easy draws on paper but it's different because these players play like their lives depend on it because they are playing for country so it kind of levels out. Murray's 2012 run looked to have a more extraordinary draw but 2016 was more of the norm. Still think 2016 was impressive from Murray.
Guy had no gas. Glad he got some revenge in the MOTY in Davis Cup - makes me sad matches like that will no longer be possible.Yeah. Only real memorable part was Delpo's run to the final (would be cool if he had won).
Ah, yeah, that match! Man, now I'm missing the Davis Cup.Guy had no gas. Glad he got some revenge in the MOTY in Davis Cup - makes me sad matches like that will no longer be possible.
Actually, it's the Steve Johnson match that kind of proves what I'm saying. On a good day, Murray wins that match easily 9/10 times but Steve played incredible there and not what you normally see. Murray almost lost that one.Someone forgot to tell that to Nishikori in the SF that but then again 90% of the time he's a free bye for the top players, unfortunately for Nadal in the Bronze play-off it was that other 10%![]()
16?LOL, he only has 16 majors and he won't ever get to 20 with all the young guns coming up like Thiem, Tsisipas , Medvedev(made novak his pigeon), and rafa
especially the 20>20 part20>20>17
It's math.
Fair enough.Actually, it's the Steve Johnson match that kind of proves what I'm saying. On a good day, Murray wins that match easily 9/10 times but Steve played incredible there and not what you normally see. Murray almost lost that one.
if he peaks at 4 GS and 3 Masters, that's good enough to retain the weeks at #12AOs, 1FO, 1USO 2Wimbs, 1OG 1 more WTF
What I think Vajda is planning to do is after the 311 is achieved that ranking will not be the priority and he will organise his planning and periodisation solely for 2-3 Masters and all 4 GSs. Only if his periodisation is peaking at these comps he has a good chance of breaking the 20. Drop all other activities including all the politics, pyramids and focus on the family and 2-3 more yrs of tennis. Then, pack up and leave tennis as the GOAT.
He should drop the politics. It def made him lose focus this latter half of the year along with other things.2AOs, 1FO, 1USO 2Wimbs, 1OG 1 more WTF
What I think Vajda is planning to do is after the 311 is achieved that ranking will not be the priority and he will organise his planning and periodisation solely for 2-3 Masters and all 4 GSs. Only if his periodisation is peaking at these comps he has a good chance of breaking the 20. Drop all other activities including all the politics, pyramids and focus on the family and 2-3 more yrs of tennis. Then, pack up and leave tennis as the GOAT.
I understand that but it won't be his driving force, whether he is No.2 or No. 3 or No. 1. That's what I was referring to. Peaking at 4GS, does not mean he wins them all. He just peaks for them and targets a higher peak as he progresses through the rounds. If I were in his shoes I would end the season after USO and no tennis till the Aussie summer next season.if he peaks at 4 GS and 3 Masters, that's good enough to retain the weeks at #1
that is how the system works today, via mandatory tournaments
you can't be #1 player by winning ATP 250 and ATP 500 level of tournaments
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The title is bait (like most of the things here).Title is very interesting and provocative like most of the things here...
We're not subscribers, though. Neither do we pay a dime, nor are we compensated for our marketing efforts.The title is bait (like most of the things here).
I tell myself: "ignore"..."don't feed"..."keep moving"...We're not subscribers, though. Neither do we pay a dime, nor are we compensated for our marketing efforts.
Thusly, perhaps we might be forgiven for snapping at the lure.
A-gain and a-gain.![]()
20 is greater than 20?20>20>17
It's math.