If he wins all 7 matches at RG
.Winning all slams at least twice, winning all 4 in a row and holding the YE#1/weeks #1 record would be enough to cover a gap of 2 slams.
Yup, I can't see Djoko winning RG 2021 if Nadal is healthy. Djoko does very well at AO because it's fast and he likes it that way. Nadal is the opposite and likes RG because it's slow and bouncy. Each surface compliments their game perfectly. Djoko does very well at AO, but Nadal does extremely well at RG.People, Nadal is K2 and Mount Everest above anyone on clay. It's 99.9999 percent inevitable. I know it sucks but that's it.
No. To even be in the conversation he has to at least equal the other two. For now he is the 3rd wheelIt's pretty hard to imagine Novak winning RG2021, especially with non-injured Nadal. But...
If he wins all 7 matches at RG, that's it, he's GOAT.
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Didn't you predict Thiem to beat him in 2018?People, Nadal is K2 and Mount Everest above anyone on clay. It's 99.9999 percent inevitable. I know it sucks but that's it.
No, I was dreaming for Thiem to beat him but then you inevitably wake up after a dream.Didn't you predict Thiem to beat him in 2018?
If he equals them then he’s GOAT. If they all finish level on slams then for me Djokovic would be the greatest. I agree though for now Novak he still in 3rd but it’s getting closer and closer.No. To even be in the conversation he has to at least equal the other two. For now he is the 3rd wheel
I feel Novak should be a fox here. Sort of weigh up the clay season depending how things are going. If Rafa is 100% fit and in unstoppable form then just bow out earlier and save yourself for Wimbledon, olympics and us open.The only way I see that happening is Thiem taking out Nadal before the final.
But I would like him and his team to work on this possibility.
I actually prefer him to focus on majors and olympics this year, everything else is optional. Not a fan of skipping a slam for the other, though it might seem it had worked for Federer.I feel Novak should be a fox here. Sort of weigh up the clay season depending how things are going. If Rafa is 100% fit and in unstoppable form then just bow out earlier and save yourself for Wimbledon, olympics and us open.
However, if Rafa was to suffer an injury, lose form or face a tough FO draw then maybe he can reassess and go all out. I just don’t want him wasting unnecessary energy by grinding through just to lose to nadal in the final and maybe risk injury or burnt out for the upcoming majors he has bigger chances to win.
Thiem isn't beating Nadal at RG, come on now.The only way I see that happening is Thiem taking out Nadal before the final.
But I would like him and his team to work on this possibility.
Thiem definitely can beat current Nadal at DO. Especially if they play at night.Thiem isn't beating Nadal at RG, come on now.
True I agree with you. As you never know what can happen. Something could happen to Rafa and Novak would kick himself if he wasn’t there to try take advantage. I think he needs to cut down his schedule of the masters tournaments then but still go all out for majors and olympics but the french can be more see how things go type thing. We will see.I actually prefer him to focus on majors and olympics this year, everything else is optional. Not a fan of skipping a slam for the other, though it might seem it had worked for Federer.
Maybe to you, and other Fed fans, which is fair, but it'll be between Novak and Rafa when all is said and done.NO matter what he does in future, Federer will always remain the GOAT.
I don't know if makes sense to use the rest of the clay season as a barometer for the French - when it comes to Nadal, events like Rome have no relevance so there's no way of telling how he'll play during the Slam. Also waiting until the draw comes out leaves it too late.I feel Novak should be a fox here. Sort of weigh up the clay season depending how things are going. If Rafa is 100% fit and in unstoppable form then just bow out earlier and save yourself for Wimbledon, olympics and us open.
However, if Rafa was to suffer an injury, lose form or face a tough FO draw then maybe he can reassess and go all out. I just don’t want him wasting unnecessary energy by grinding through just to lose to nadal in the final and maybe risk injury or burnt out for the upcoming majors he has bigger chances to win.
If he gets 3 more, it’s an undisputed GOAT resumeIt's pretty hard to imagine Novak winning RG2021, especially with non-injured Nadal. But...
If he wins all 7 matches at RG, that's it, he's GOAT.
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No he doesn't. The facts is if he gets within a slam of either one and has all those other things in favour such as leading h2h's, most weeks and years as No1 and more Masters titles that more than compensates.No. To even be in the conversation he has to at least equal the other two. For now he is the 3rd wheel
The nadalIt's pretty hard to imagine Novak winning RG2021, especially with non-injured Nadal. But...
If he wins all 7 matches at RG, that's it, he's GOAT.
19 GS titles
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2xCGS
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No it does not. For years Slams were the determining factor. Nobody will say the guy 3rd on list of slams is GOAT. No chance. Plus Nadal and Federer have more titles as well overall.No he doesn't. The facts is if he gets within a slam of either one and has all those other things in favour such as leading h2h's, most weeks and years as No1 and more Masters titles that more than compensates.
He played well in the final, but I wouldn't go that far.People, Nadal is K2 and Mount Everest above anyone on clay. It's 99.9999 percent inevitable. I know it sucks but that's it.
At night, it'd be even more difficult for thiem to hit past Nadal's defense and consistency.Thiem definitely can beat current Nadal at DO. Especially if they play at night.
Thiem was in same half as Nadal last year!!He played well in the final, but I wouldn't go that far.
Problem is, Nadal and Thiem are uncannily always placed in opposite halves of the draw. If Rafa had to play Novak and Thiem back 2 back, then it really would test him, but it'll never happe in a million years.
Graf is, why not Novak? Unless of course you are a hypocrite?No it does not. For years Slams were the determining factor. Nobody will say the guy 3rd on list of slams is GOAT. No chance. Plus Nadal and Federer have more titles as well overall.
It could have happened last year, sir. But Diego Schwartzman had other ideas.He played well in the final, but I wouldn't go that far.
Problem is, Nadal and Thiem are uncannily always placed in opposite halves of the draw. If Rafa had to play Novak and Thiem back 2 back, then it really would test him, but it'll never happe in a million years.
If a player can get sets off Nadal that would be a start. Djokovic needs to avoid bagels against Nadal on clay.At night, it'd be even more difficult for thiem to hit past Nadal's defense and consistency.
Thiem was in same half as Nadal last year!!
Court is GOAT. Graf is ahead of Serena as she won a CYGS and Olympic Gold. Djokovic has done neither.Graf is, why not Novak? Unless of course you are a hypocrite?
Graf won the Grand Slam on the women's side (in fact the "Golden" Grand Slam) and there are plenty of people making the case for her as well.No it does not. For years Slams were the determining factor. Nobody will say the guy 3rd on list of slams is GOAT. No chance. Plus Nadal and Federer have more titles as well overall.
Yes nobody in the open era has done that on the mens side.Graf won the Grand Slam on the women's side (in fact the "Golden" Grand Slam) and there are plenty of people making the case for her as well.
In fact her Grand Slam is the reason she occupies such an elevated platform
Novak joined a club Rodgi had exclusive membership to. More barriers being broken.
Djokovic has NCYGS and in this case DCGS and weeks at number 1 (as Graf over Serena) so yes he’s arguably GOAT, but agreed he needs to reach 20 to win the argument.Court is GOAT. Graf is ahead of Serena as she won a CYGS and Olympic Gold. Djokovic has done neither.
In recent years, I think David Goffin and Diego Schwartzman were more competitive with the warrior than anyone, Diego with a real chance to upset the Nadal in 2018 (it was a scary first half of the match for us, rafa fans).If a player can get sets off Nadal that would be a start. Djokovic needs to avoid bagels against Nadal on clay.
Thiem routinely gets butchered by Nadal.
Federer has been the most competitive v Nadal in recent years at RG!! He actually challenged Rafa for three sets last time they played.
One thing I have realised with last year's FO and this year's AO is that these guys have a couple of gears they don't show till the final.He played well in the final, but I wouldn't go that far.
Problem is, Nadal and Thiem are uncannily always placed in opposite halves of the draw. If Rafa had to play Novak and Thiem back 2 back, then it really would test him, but it'll never happe in a million years.
Who else? Musseti?Big IF that Novak wins RG, since I put Nadal, Thiem and maybe a few others above him on clay now, but IF he does it, then the discussion about him being GOAT will certainly catch momentum.
NCYGS is less impressive than The Nadal Surface Slam in 2010. Graf 1988 is the greatest achievement in tennis. Nothing comes close.Djokovic has NCYGS and in this case DCGS and weeks at number 1 (as Graf over Serena) so yes he’s arguably GOAT, but agreed he needs to reach 20 to win the argument.
Tsitsipas. Sinner perhapsWho else?
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