Novak ia 7 match wins away from becoming GOAT

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Beckerserve said:
NCYGS is less impressive than The Nadal Surface Slam in 2010. Graf 1988 is the greatest achievement in tennis. Nothing comes close.
Weeks at no.1 is irrelevant as nobody remembers that. I have no clue how many weeks Graf was no.1 for or Serena or Navratilova or Evert. Without u looking it up i bet u dont. I know their major counts.
FO2020 was hyped up as thE GOAT Decider. When Nadal won the pundits went quiet and still are. New metrics are being invented.
Slams are the ultimate test. Whoever ends top of slam leaderboard is GOAT.
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Well at least we agree being #3 in the slam count doesn’t mean there’s no argument for his/her goathood, but it’s moot because Djokovic will reach 20 anyway.
 
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Rafa4LifeEver said:
In recent years, I think David Goffin and Diego Schwartzman were more competitive with the warrior than anyone, Diego with a real chance to upset the Nadal in 2018 (it was a scary first half of the match for us, rafa fans).
About roger, I believe he'd not have taken more than a set in 2019 RG SF even if the conditions weren't so windy; yes he'd have made the score much closer; but Rafa would've ultimately prevailed in 4 sets 7-5 6-7 6-4 6-3 something
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Djoker has a victory over nadal in Paris. Federer nor thiem do.
 
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CYGS said:
Well at least we agree being #3 in the slam count doesn’t mean there’s no argument for his/her goathood, but it’s moot because Djokovic will reach 20 anyway.
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W is key for Djokovic. Realistically he will be three behind Nadal by W. Federer is coming back and i think a massive threat. If Djokovic is 3 behind by USO he is done. Keep it to 2 then its all up for grabs. Wimbledon is massive. If its cancelled then we have to say 3 co goats as it would be a joke for it to be cancelled again.
 
Krish872007

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Beckerserve said:
Yes nobody in the open era has done that on the mens side.
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Well there is 1 man who did it and is mentioned frequently to this day as well
Question is around the "all-time" bit - without a shadow of a doubt whoever ends up on top of this Slam race will be considered the greatest of this era / Open Era
 
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Beckerserve said:
W is key for Djokovic. Realistically he will be three behind Nadal by W. Federer is coming back and i think a massive threat. If Djokovic is 3 behind by USO he is done. Keep it to 2 then its all up for grabs. Wimbledon is massive. If its cancelled then we have to say 3 co goats as it would be a joke for it to be cancelled again.
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Federer should not be viewed as a threat at all at this point
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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Krish872007 said:
I don't know if makes sense to use the rest of the clay season as a barometer for the French - when it comes to Nadal, events like Rome have no relevance so there's no way of telling how he'll play during the Slam. Also waiting until the draw comes out leaves it too late.

Decision should ideally be taken up front by looking at the clay season and the entire field as a whole. What are the chances of doing well? Does he need to play to keep ranking? How many people could realistically beat him at RG (outside of Nadal)?
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That’s very true. I feel it’s best he saves himself for Wimbledon, olympics and us open. Due to nadal being an overwhelming favourite at RG and like you say rest of clay season has no bearing on RG. However, I understand the other side too like never give up a slam or you never know what can happen, etc.
 
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Beckerserve said:
GOAT will come down between Nadal v Federer at USO final when they are 21-21. That is just seemingly destined as they have never met there. Bump this post in September.
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Roflmao. Federer isn’t going to see a final of any kind this season. It’s far more likely djoker wins 3 of 4 and ties nadal next year down under
 
Julian Houston

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Federer can come back and win more. Remember this is like a life time race. The young guys don't matter anymore when none of them can play 7 matches Bo5 in a high level. Weak era forever. I believe due to this tennis is turn off for youngsters to enter.
 
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As I've said before, unless Rafa brings less than his A- game either Djokerer (current or prime) has zero chance of dethroning him at RG. Both are not natural dirtballers and as such have struggled to clear the all-important 60% mark in GW during their 2-week runs or the whole CC seasons, whereas not cracking the ceiling would be news for the reigning king.

Granted Novak's consistency is second to none but Nadal's since '91, but even he has yet to put together a dominant FO run except in '16 when he won an almost historic 64.9% of his games vs. a rather lackluster draw. Now you could say that's still damn impressive... but no more so than Muster's '95 and Kafelnikov's '96 runs where they posted 64.5% and 64.3% respectively vs. (arguably) tougher draws. And none of 'em compares to Courier's '92 or Bruguera's '93 campaign with a whopping 67.5% and 68.8% each vs. clearly stronger opposition - Sergi's '93 run is in fact the only one I know of (OE) where the champ faced not one but two members of the 60% Club - and Nadal himself won a sensational 70.9% last year, his 3rd highest % to date after '08 and '12 when he notched a hoo-hum 75.7% and an aw-shucks 71.0%.

Obviously that 70.9% comes with necessary caveats but you can see why I say Novak doesn't even get the better of prime Jim or Sergi, let alone Rafa. Barring those two '90s dirtmeisters or Guga firing on all cylinders (from the last 30-ish years) you're simply not beating Nadal at RG without a lot of help from him. Expect him to drop a match or two going into RG, but to take care of business as usual come the money rounds.
 
Julian Houston

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NonP said:
As I've said before, unless Rafa brings less than his A- game either Djokerer (current or prime) has zero chance of dethroning him at RG. Both are not natural dirtballers and as such have struggled to clear the all-important 60% mark in GW during their 2-week runs or the whole CC seasons, whereas not cracking the ceiling would be news for the reigning king.

Granted Novak's consistency is second to none but Nadal's since '91, but even he has yet to put together a dominant FO run except in '16 when he won an almost historic 64.9% of his games vs. a rather lackluster draw. Now you could say that's still damn impressive... but no more so than Muster's '95 and Kafelnikov's '96 runs where they posted 64.5% and 64.3% respectively vs. (arguably) tougher draws. And none of 'em compares to Courier's '92 or Bruguera's '93 campaign with a whopping 67.5% and 68.8% each vs. clearly stronger opposition - Sergi's '93 run is in fact the only one I know of where the champ faced not one but two members of the 60% Club - and Nadal himself won a sensational 70.9% last year, his 3rd highest % to date after '08 and '12 when he notched a hoo-hum 75.7% and an aw-shucks 71.0%.

Obviously that 70.9% comes with necessary caveats but you can see why I say Novak doesn't even get the better of prime Jim or Sergi, let alone Rafa. Barring those two '90s dirtmeisters or Guga firing on all cylinders (from the last 30-ish years) you're simply not beating Nadal at RG without a lot of help from him. Expect him to drop a match or two going into RG, but to take care of business as usual come the money rounds.
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Good analysis. 60% games won is the key stat to dominate Roland Garros. Neither Djokovic nor thiem came close to achieving it.
 
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Djoker458 said:
Wimbledon got canceled and a freak dq occurred in New York? You banking on those two things occurring again?
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Federer will be at W this year and fresh. USO djokovic was losing to PCB and he could.not hamdle it and lost his temper. If crowds are there then yes he may implode again
 
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Beckerserve said:
Federer will be at W this year and fresh. USO djokovic was losing to PCB and he could.not hamdle it and lost his temper. If crowds are there then yes he may implode again
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LoL. It was 6-5 in the first set. Match was hardly close to being over. Gtfo here with that bs. Djoker routinely wins when he looks down. You are being an absolute idiot here. Djoker hasn’t lost a match outside of Paris in a grand slam to either Federer or nadal in like 7 or 8 years now. Just a matter of time dude. You keep being in denial though.
 
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Djoker458 said:
LoL. It was 6-5 in the first set. Match was hardly close to being over. Gtfo here with that bs. Djoker routinely wins when he looks down. You are being an absolute idiot here. Djoker hasn’t lost a match outside of Paris in a grand slam to either Federer or nadal in like 7 or 8 years now. Just a matter of time dude. You keep being in denial though.
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Denial of what? Djokovic has not beat Nadal at USO for 10 years. Federer has 5 titles to Djokovic 3. It aint the AO. Stay salty
 
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Beckerserve said:
Denial of what? Djokovic has not beat Nadal at USO for 10 years. Federer has 5 titles to Djokovic 3. It aint the AO. Stay salty
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Denial of what’s going to end up happening . Federer is not going to win another grand slam at all. Nadal has a couple
More French. That’s it. Djoker will end up with the most and I will be here to remind you of it when it occurs. The best player on grass and hard courts
 
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Djoker458 said:
Denial of what’s going to end up happening . Federer is not going to win another grand slam at all. Nadal has a couple
More French. That’s it. Djoker will end up with the most and I will be here to remind you of it when it occurs. The best player on grass and hard courts
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Nope. Best USO player is Nadal now. Best W player is federer until anyone gets close to 8 wimbledons.
20-20-18 is where we are today. I know it hurts but that is where we are.
 
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Beckerserve said:
Nope. Best USO player is Nadal now. Best W player is federer until anyone gets close to 8 wimbledons.
20-20-18 is where we are today. I know it hurts but that is where we are.
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where we are currently is not going to be remotely relevant to where things are going to end up which is where djoker will end up on top. Why is nadal better than Federer at the us open if djoker isn’t better than him at Wimbledon? Another bad arguement by you
 
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Djoker458 said:
where we are currently is not going to be remotely relevant to where things are going to end up which is where djoker will end up on top. Why is nadal better than Federer at the us open if djoker isn’t better than him at Wimbledon? Another bad arguement by you
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Because currently Nadal is one USO behind Federer not 3 lol. Nadal has won 4 since roger last won his so at the moment Nadal is slightly better albeit not career wise.
Djokovic is not close on grass to federer if the best Federer shows up. So W is on federers racket like AO was on Djokovics.
You can keep predicting the future. FO 2020 was the last h2h between Nadal and federer and Nadal smashed him last h2h between Federer and Djokovic when federer was fit was WTF 2019 and Federer smashed him nadal and Federer are ahead comfortably in slam race. Outside Australia Nadal and federer hold the cards.
 
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Beckerserve said:
Because currently Nadal is one USO behind Federer not 3 lol. Nadal has won 4 since roger last won his so at the moment Nadal is slightly better albeit not career wise.
Djokovic is not close on grass to federer if the best Federer shows up. So W is on federers racket like AO was on Djokovics.
You can keep predicting the future. FO 2020 was the last h2h between Nadal and federer and Nadal smashed him last h2h between Federer and Djokovic when federer was fit was WTF 2019 and Federer smashed him nadal and Federer are ahead comfortably in slam race. Outside Australia Nadal and federer hold the cards.
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LOL. You are dumber than **** and are living in complete denial. Djoker leads both head to head and is going to end up with more grand slams.

24- djoker
22- nadal
20 - federer

this will be the final list. Enjoy djokers nuts the next 5 years hater...
 
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