Novak is in front of his idol... 291 weeks guaranteed...Next hurdle Federer...

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
All of Novak's stats are inflated, I'm much more impressed how he dominated Fedal, this is where his greatness lies, not some
fake stats.
He's been the best player in the world for 286 weeks according to his results and points. What's fake about the stat lol?
 

JackGates

Legend
Someone has to or else Fed fans might lose it soon.
What do you mean soon, people were saying that since 2009 and 11 years later, Fed still has the record. So, if we lose it, it won't be soon. By the time we lose it those guys will be too old, so it won't matter and Fed haters won't even be able to enjoy it.

Joke is on you guys, at least we had 12 year good run, still worth it lol, 12 years is like eternity, it was great.
 

FedeRadi

Rookie
What is next? Is Thiem now bigger obstacle for Novak compared to Nadal for that no1 place?

Probably not yet.

Thiem has something like 2300 points less in YE#1 race than Nole(1700 in rankings + 800 Thiem WTF - 200 Nole WTF).

Thiem will not play Rome, and he isn't in Hamburg entry list(Maybe, he can ask a WC).
He can gain 800 points at RG, but he had to win it.
After Roland Garros:
12 October - He can win St. Petersburg gaining 410 points(He has to discard something). It's reasonable to play there only if he can't go deep in RG.
19 October - Higly unlikely he will play a 250, he has to play Vienna and Paris in consecutive weeks after that.
25 October - He can't improve in Vienna.
02 November - He can gain up to 910 points in Paris.
09 November - He won't play the week before WTF.
16 November - He can gain up to 1500 points in WTF.

WIthout winning RG his best case would be like: Hamburg(410) + St. Petersburg(410) + Paris(910) + WTF(1500) = 3.230 points.
And I'm pretty sure he has to discard some important points in this case, at least 250 points from Kitz 2019 win. But I'm not sure I understood how it works this year(If someone want to help).

3200(Gain) - 250(Kitz) - 2300(Gap today from Nole) = 650 = Thiem's YE lead if Nole doesn't score any point until the end of the season.

Winning Rome and 1 RR win in WTF would be enough.
RG Final and 1 RR win in WTF wuld be enough.
Win RG is obviously enough.
Winning WTF or even make the final would be enough.
Winning 3 matches in WTF RR, even losing in the SF, would force Thiem to be absolutely perfect in the final part of the season(Outside of RG).

Conclusion: we can discuss about Thiem as a treath for #1 this year only if he plays, and wins, Hamburg and RG.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Probably not yet.

Thiem has something like 2300 points less in YE#1 race than Nole(1700 in rankings + 800 Thiem WTF - 200 Nole WTF).

Thiem will not play Rome, and he isn't in Hamburg entry list(Maybe, he can ask a WC).
He can gain 800 points at RG, but he had to win it.
After Roland Garros:
12 October - He can win St. Petersburg gaining 410 points(He has to discard something). It's reasonable to play there only if he can't go deep in RG.
19 October - Higly unlikely he will play a 250, he has to play Vienna and Paris in consecutive weeks after that.
25 October - He can't improve in Vienna.
02 November - He can gain up to 910 points in Paris.
09 November - He won't play the week before WTF.
16 November - He can gain up to 1500 points in WTF.

WIthout winning RG his best case would be like: Hamburg(410) + St. Petersburg(410) + Paris(910) + WTF(1500) = 3.230 points.
And I'm pretty sure he has to discard some important points in this case, at least 250 points from Kitz 2019 win. But I'm not sure I understood how it works this year(If someone want to help).

3200(Gain) - 250(Kitz) - 2300(Gap today from Nole) = 650 = Thiem's YE lead if Nole doesn't score any point until the end of the season.

Winning Rome and 1 RR win in WTF would be enough.
RG Final and 1 RR win in WTF wuld be enough.
Win RG is obviously enough.
Winning WTF or even make the final would be enough.
Winning 3 matches in WTF RR, even losing in the SF, would force Thiem to be absolutely perfect in the final part of the season(Outside of RG).

Conclusion: we can discuss about Thiem as a treath for #1 this year only if he plays, and wins, Hamburg and RG.

What about Nadal?
 

FedeRadi

Rookie
What about Nadal?

1010 point difference now in ATP ranking, and Nadal has 400 points in WTF against Nole 200. 1210 points difference in "YE#1 Race".
Nadal can't gain anything in Rome and RG. And it's safe to assume that he isn't going to play Hamburg.

He can gain points everywhere after that. But I think that he's going to play only Paris and WTF, not 500s or 250s.
Paris - He can gain 640 points.
WTF - He can gain 1500 points.

Up to 2140 points lead. About 900 points lead if Nole won't score any point.

He could have a bigger lead than Thiem. But he never won Paris and WTF. I'm confident that he isn't going to go 10-0 in the indoor season.
Losing WTF Final would cost him 500 points. Losing Paris Final 400 points, losing there in SF o before 640 points.
If he would play(And win) a 500, this is more complicated. But I really don't think he will.

Despite USO, Nole is in great shape to tie Sampras' 6 YE#1 record.
Reaching the final in WTF, even losing a RR match(800 points), it's very likely enough.
Win 3RR matches in WTF, and losing in SF(600 points), is likely enough.
Maybe don't score any point can be enough if Rafa and Thiem have a not brillant end of the season.

It's harder, now, say something about weeks#1 record. He has to defend 665 points in ATP Cup and 2000 at AO.
Thiem has almost nothing in ATP Cup but 1200 at AO and, then, 1000 at IW.
Nadal has 250 in ATP Cup, 360 at AO and 360 at IW.

I think Nadal is the bigger treath, at least until 2021 Wimbledon(Thiem won't defend nothing) or a RG win(2020 or 2021) by Thiem.
 

USO

Banned
1010 point difference now in ATP ranking, and Nadal has 400 points in WTF against Nole 200. 1210 points difference in "YE#1 Race".
Nadal can't gain anything in Rome and RG. And it's safe to assume that he isn't going to play Hamburg.

He can gain points everywhere after that. But I think that he's going to play only Paris and WTF, not 500s or 250s.
Paris - He can gain 640 points.
WTF - He can gain 1500 points.

Up to 2140 points lead. About 900 points lead if Nole won't score any point.

He could have a bigger lead than Thiem. But he never won Paris and WTF. I'm confident that he isn't going to go 10-0 in the indoor season.
Losing WTF Final would cost him 500 points. Losing Paris Final 400 points, losing there in SF o before 640 points.
If he would play(And win) a 500, this is more complicated. But I really don't think he will.

Despite USO, Nole is in great shape to tie Sampras' 6 YE#1 record.
Reaching the final in WTF, even losing a RR match(800 points), it's very likely enough.
Win 3RR matches in WTF, and losing in SF(600 points), is likely enough.
Maybe don't score any point can be enough if Rafa and Thiem have a not brillant end of the season.

It's harder, now, say something about weeks#1 record. He has to defend 665 points in ATP Cup and 2000 at AO.
Thiem has almost nothing in ATP Cup but 1200 at AO and, then, 1000 at IW.
Nadal has 250 in ATP Cup, 360 at AO and 360 at IW.

I think Nadal is the bigger treath, at least until 2021 Wimbledon(Thiem won't defend nothing) or a RG win(2020 or 2021) by Thiem.

Basically, Djokovic will have to protect Federer's slam record from Nadal, and Nadal will have to protect Federer's weeks at no.1 record from Djokovic? o_O
 

aman92

Legend
Don't understand how the rankings work currently.. Don't Nadal’s points last year count for this year as well?
 
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Deleted member 744633

Guest
I never knew that PETE was Novak Djokovic's idol.

Surprised to read this. Djokovic has made it clear on more than 1 occasion that Sampras is his idol.

I hope Sampras sends a congratulatory note to Djokovic when he breaks Federer's weeks at No. 1 record.
 
Great achievement, next and the main course is beating federers record, although it won't be easy(missed a huge opportunity with his DQ in New York to gain a lot of points), he can't gain much on clay(good thing thiem and nadal can't gain points on clay) and his rivals can gain points after RG as well so its not set in stone yet not to mention next year but it does look promising.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Was there an official announcement that there won't be YE#1 awarded?
I dont know, but it would have to be a different type of award. Who is leading this years race? What is the point count, because you can not count last years points which the current ranking do.

Isnt Thiem in first?
 

CYGS

Legend
I dont know, but it would have to be a different type of award. Who is leading this years race? What is the point count, because you can not count last years points which the current ranking do.

Isnt Thiem in first?
Race ranking has Djokovic as #1 and it only counts this year's points. So you're wrong.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Race ranking has Djokovic as #1 and it only counts this year's points. So you're wrong.
Where do you see that? I see Race ranking as counting last years points too. You cant win YE#1 using last years points.

I know Djoker did not earn 10,080 points this year...
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Recently.

Ok tell the man who himself is the most alike since he doesn't know. Lol

That's why I was surprised he had said it - because clearly his game style is much more similar to that of Federer, than that of Nadal or Novak Djokovic. Personality-wise, I wouldn't say he's that similar to any of them - he's certainly not as outspoken as the Serb.

So I'm rather taken aback that he's comparing himself to Novak Djokovic. Can you provide evidence of this please? I'd like to see his grounds for comparison.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
He is. There's no doubt about it.
Are you sure. Djoker got no points for USO while Thiem got 2,000. Thiem also made the final of the AO which gave him 1200.

Djoker: AO 2,000, Cinci 1,000

Thiem: AO 1200, USO 2,000

Outside of those I dont know what other points they have.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
@CYGS

Just looked at it. Adding all tourney points earned this year...

Djoker has about a 650 point lead heading into Rome... which Thiem is not playing.
 

CYGS

Legend
Are you sure. Djoker got no points for USO while Thiem got 2,000. Thiem also made the final of the AO which gave him 1200.

Djoker: AO 2,000, Cinci 1,000

Thiem: AO 1200, USO 2,000

Outside of those I dont know what other points they have.
Djokovic: 3000 + Dubai 500 + ATP Cup 665 = 4165
Thiem: 3200 + Not much anything else
 
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