Novak trails Nadal by just one Big 5 title

[WhiskeyEE]

Novak - 13 (9 slams + 4 WTFs)
Nadal - 14 ( 14 slams + 0 WTFs)

Novak will also likely surpass Nadal in Masters titles and the h2h shortly. And he already leads in time at #1.

Both are missing one big title. Novak is missing RG and Nadal is missing the WTF.

Masters count is currently 27-24 and the h2h is 23-21 in favour of Nadal.

Once Novak has the lead in Big 5 titles, Masters count, h2h, and time at #1, it will be hard to argue he isn't greater.

 

[Fiji]

He will never reach 14 slams. Too late for that. he lost too many finals already he blew it. how could he lose to wawa at rg?

Number of slams is the most important achievement and that is why roger is better than pete.

 

[tennisaddict]

He will never reach 14 slams. Too late for that. he lost too many finals already he blew it. how could he lose to wawa at rg?

Before you know it, Novak can add 5 majors.

The difference in skill,talent and consistency between him and the field is telling.

At 12-13 majors, he will have a case for being better than Rafa

 

[WhiskeyEE]

He will never reach 14 slams. Too late for that. he lost too many finals already he blew it. how could he lose to wawa at rg?

Number of slams is the most important achievement and that is why roger is better than pete.

He is on pace to lead Nadal in every facet of the sport except RG titles. That will be enough for most to give him the nod over Nadal.

This is not like an olympic medals table. Things like weeks at #1, WTF titles, etc. actually matter. They don't just break a tie if there is a tie in slam count.

 

[Fiji]

He is not winning more than 11 slams.


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...in-more-than-5-slams-after-turning-27.538312/

 

[ibbi]

Aw, poor baby. I hope you feel better having got that out there

 

[zep]

Great now Fed fans are trying to find ways to somehow turn it to Djokovic vs Nadal. This is probably the third or fourth such thread. We understand your sorrow but trust me, it will pass.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Aw, poor baby. I hope you feel better having got that out there

I am doing nothing but stating facts.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Great now Fed fans are trying to find ways to somehow turn it to Djokovic vs Nadal. We understand your sorrow but trust me, it will pass.

I'm a fan of both Federer and Novak. I do not get emotionally invested in matches unless I'm rooting for someone to lose. ie Nadal, Kyrgios, Stan.

The fact that you're resorting to ad hominems suggests that it is you who is upset.

 

[zep]

I'm a fan of both Federer and Novak. I do not get emotionally invested in matches unless I'm rooting for someone to lose. ie Nadal, Kyrgios, Stan.

The fact that you're resorting to ad hominems suggests that it is you who is upset.

Yes I am very upset and disturbed that Federer lost today.

 

[Fiji]

Federer, Lendl and Sampras only won 2 slams after turning 28. but the ****s think djokovic will win many slams after 28. lol. delusional. this will be nole's last great year and last year where he wins multiple slams. think roger after 2009.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Federer, Lendl and Sampras only won 2 slams after turning 28. but the ****s think djokovic will win many slams after 28. lol

Federer had the toughest generation of up and comers in history to deal with. He would've won many more than 2 slams if he was dealing with this generation at Novak's age.

Novak has won 94% of his matches this year. Was Federer doing that at 28?

 

[WarriorRafa]

Federer, Lendl and Sampras only won 2 slams after turning 28. but the ****s think djokovic will win many slams after 28. lol. delusional. this will be nole's last great year and last year where he wins multiple slams. think roger after 2009.

Djokovic is a late bloomer, it's not necessary that the 2 slams after turning 28 rule applies to him. Also, Federer would have won more than 2 slams if he had not faced Nadal in FO final in 2011, Djokovic in 2014 and 2015 Wimby finals. Took great champions to take him out, and there is no one like them in the new generation so Djokovic wont find it so hard to lose barring a serious injury. Not saying he'll win everything but 1-2 slams minimum for the next 5 years seem very likely.

 

[Fiji]

You can't stop father time. Nole's record in slam finals is his Achilles heel. He wins as many finals as he loses. He lost a slam final to mugwrinka, ffs. His subpar record in slam finals will only get worse as he ages. It's inevitable. 11-13 finals record looks very likely for Lendl 2.0

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Federer had the toughest generation of up and comers in history to deal with. He would've won many more than 2 slams if he was dealing with this generation at Novak's age.

Novak has won 94% of his matches this year. Was Federer doing that at 28?

Novak is more dominant now than he was in years gone by, and he just winning at an astonishing rate. Think about it, since the first tournament of the year, Doha, Novak has made the final of every single event he has played. Does it look like he is slowing down? The man just made the finals of all the slams so far, and won two of them. He's looking very good at the moment, he still looks very fresh and the players chasing him are not of the caliber that were chasing Federer, even of the caliber that were chasing Sampras. It took a raging Stanimal in full God mode to stop him...once. But even he isn't consistent enough to get to Novak at each slam.

 

[Fiji]

Djokovic is a late bloomer, it's not necessary that the 2 slams after turning 28 rule applies to him. Also, Federer would have won more than 2 slams if he had not faced Nadal in FO final in 2011, Djokovic in 2014 and 2015 Wimby finals. Took great champions to take him out, and there is no one like them in the new generation so Djokovic wont find it so hard to lose barring a serious injury. Not saying he'll win everything but 1-2 slams minimum for the next 5 years seem very likely.

Lendl was a very late bloomer but couldn't stop father time.

 

[Fiji]

Roger reached all 4 slam finals in 2009 when he was 28 but the next year started losing to mugs like Berdych and soderling at the slams. its inevitable.

Novak is more dominant now than he was in years gone by, and he just winning at an astonishing rate. Think about it, since the first tournament of the year, Doha, Novak has made the final of every single event he has played. Does it look like he is slowing down? The man just made the finals of all the slams so far, and won two of them. He's looking very good at the moment, he still looks very fresh and the players chasing him are not of the caliber that were chasing Federer, even of the caliber that were chasing Sampras. It took a raging Stanimal in full God mode to stop him...once. But even he isn't consistent enough to get to Novak at each slam.

 

[NextGeneration]

He will never reach 14 slams. Too late for that. he lost too many finals already he blew it. how could he lose to wawa at rg?

You can't stop father time. Nole's record in slam finals is his Achilles heel. He wins as many finals as he loses. He lost a slam final to mugwrinka, ffs.

Why do people say stuff like this?? Mugwrinka didn't show up in the French final. Not much Djokovic could do when Stan was playing like that

 

[Fiji]

Let's clutch at straws. After losing to an outsider at the USO 2009 final and winning AO 2010 final, Roger went more than 2 years without winning a slam, Wimbledon 2012.

After losing to an outsider at the AO 2014 final and winning RG 2014 final, Nadal looks to be going for a long time, years, without winning a slam, like it happened to Roger who went more than 2 years without winning a slam. In Nadal's case looks like he won't win anymore slams.

So, if the trend continues, after losing to an outsider at RG final this year and then winning Wimbledon this year Djokovic will go for more than 2 years without winning a slam like it happened to Roger and looks to be happening to Nadal.

Don't forget that part of the trend..

Looks to me that after losing a slam final to an outsider, the likes of Federer and Nadal won the next slam but then started serious decline. Bad omen for Djokovic....

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Except Novak lost to the same outsider last year at AO and has already won 3 slams since then.

 

[Fiji]

Except Novak lost to the same outsider last year at AO and has already won 3 slams since then.

I said SLAM FINAL.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

You weren't kidding. You are clutching at straws.

 

[LazyNinja19]

Strong obsession with Nadal, OP. Do you also think about him during your special few minutes at night?



Sweet tears of Federer fanbois. They're hurting so bad after Fed's loss, that they have to make it about Nadal, yet again.
Lmao at the defense coping mechanism.

And if you want to play, ATP includes these titles as BIG titles (look it up on their website):
-Slams
-WTF
-Masters
-Olympic singles Gold medal


Now tell me your revised tally. How far is Freddy ahead of Rafito and Noel?

 

[Fiji]

but federer will always have more slams than nadal.

 

[Fiji]

You weren't kidding. You are clutching at straws.

this thread was originally started by MIMIC at mtf. She forgot that after losing a slam final to an outsider, the likes of Federer and Nadal won the next slam but then started serious decline. Bad omen for Djokovic....

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Strong obsession with Nadal, OP. Do you also think about him during your special few minutes at night?



Sweet tears of Federer fanbois. They're hurting so bad after Fed's loss, that they have to make it about Nadal, yet again.
Lmao at the defense coping mechanism.

And if you want to play, ATP includes these titles as BIG titles (look it up on their website):
-Slams
-WTF
-Masters
-Olympic singles Gold medal


Now tell me your revised tally. How far is Freddy ahead of Rafito and Noel?

Your ad hominem is nothing but your own coping mechanism. This thread is more about Novak than Nadal. You realize that Nadal is about to be relegated to 3rd after having his sights on 1st.

 

[G A S]

He is not winning more than 11 slams.


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...in-more-than-5-slams-after-turning-27.538312/

wth? that is setting the bar too low. It seems so apparent that he will surpass 11 majors easily.

 

[tennisaddict]

If Novak gets even 12 majors to go with 5 YEC and 250 weeks at No 1 , I am pretty sure most folks would put him on par with Rafa and Borg.

That is just 3 majors more.

 

[Fiji]

Anyway, Nole has always been a better fast court player than Nadal and will end up with more fast court slams overall.

Nadal has 4 fast court slams, 2 Wimbledon and 2 USO

Nole has 4 fast court slams atm, 3 Wimbledon and 1 USO. This will get better for him.

 

[Fiji]

wth? that is setting the bar too low. It seems so apparent that he will surpass 11 majors easily.

It was also apparent that Roger would reach 20 slams after AO 2010. Nothing is for sure in tennis. Sampras predicted 10 Wimbledon for Roger back in 2010....

 

[Fiji]

It's at the slow court slams that pre biological passport Nadal made the difference.

10, 1 AO and 9 Rg vs 5 AO and 0 RG for Nole.

Post biological passport Nadal is irrelevant in the tennis world. Only a contender at 250s whereas just a pretender at the Slams. I expect Nadal's 2016 to be even worse than 2015 Nadal.

 

[G A S]

It was also apparent that Roger would reach 20 slams after AO 2010. Nothing is for sure in tennis. Sampras predicted 10 Wimbledon for Roger back in 2010....

indeed nothing is for sure in tennis, but just 2 more majors for novak does seem too soon of a downfall.

 

[Fiji]

indeed nothing is for sure in tennis, but just 2 more majors for novak does seem too soon of a downfall.

Who would have thought Roger would only win 2 more slams after breaking Pete's record at Wimbledon 2009? He was only 27 back then and he's just been able to win 2 more slams.....

 

[G A S]

Who would have thought Roger would only win 2 more slams after breaking Pete's record at Wimbledon 2009? He was only 27 back then and he's just been able to win 2 more slams.....

As I see it, it depends weather a consistent stronger player will show up or not, it is unpredictable because of this, I am still not seeing any new strong player stepping up his game.

 

[G A S]

And some people believed Nole would stop at 14.
Federer indeed made 20.

Apparently winning many slams after 28 was impossible to some people and Novak should have retired years ago.
Goes to show.