Novak's father to Dimitrov: He did great damage to the relationship between Croatia and Serbia

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vive le beau jeu !

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I think I need to add that to my "To Watch List" just basing on that performance! Is watching the entire series worth the efforts?
i think the best asset of the series is how natural they all act... it's impressive :)

PS: if you do, i have to apologize for the spoiler... o_O so please make sure to reset your memory before starting to watch it, ok? :giggle:
 

Sysyphus

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So basically Greg's heart's desire to touch(literally) the pure has caused this shïtstorm? Troubling.
Ok last gif from me on this matter

(i make no promises)

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Stannis Baratheon

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The first is out-of-order, the last is silly but I tend to think his position on the Council is untenable. This crisis has a long way to go and how can Novak be trusted to follow the rules and do the right thing?
Because following the rules is the only option he has got no?
This tournament although stupid was not an ATP tournament.
I would say he did the right thing by creating that player relief fund.

Are we thinking that when the tour resumes he won't follow the ATP rules and guidelines for distancing?

He hasn't threatened the ATP players in any way as of yet.
He was stupid to organize this but then Dimi, Dom etc were equally stupid to participate.
They all threatened the general public and they have had the consequences for it.

Don't know how this translates to "remove him from the player's council".
 
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Stannis Baratheon

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One poor judgement undos all good judgements of the past?
 

Sysyphus

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The first is out-of-order, the last is silly but I tend to think his position on the Council is untenable. This crisis has a long way to go and how can Novak be trusted to follow the rules and do the right thing?
Agreed. The first and last are silly and should be condemned.

But losing his position with the player's council seems natural or even self-evident and i'm guessing there's a big chance it happens. That's the way it works for any leader entrusted with responsibility. If they cause a public fiasco and put people in harms way, they step down. It's perfectly normal and I don't think it's vile at all to suggest that this should be the consequence. This is not some god-given position that Novak is entitled to, after all. He's not a king, just an elected representative who's supposed to positively represent the sport. His judgment and position of trust is now severely weakened.
 
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Deleted member 771911

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Oh boy. Hasn't Djokovic told his father to keep quiet? I imagine dad is on the payroll so would have to listen?
 

zagor

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Is it wrong for me as a Fed fan to start feeling a little for Novak right now...I mean, the poor guy just can't get a break this year. :-D

How dare you show some empathy?

Joking aside, Novak made a number of irresponsible (to say the least) moves this year but people also love to tear someone down, especially in the social media age/current climate, it's pure mob mentality.
 

mike danny

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How dare you show some empathy?

Joking aside, Novak made a number of irresponsible (to say the least) moves this year but people also love to tear someone down, especially in the social media age/current climate, it's pure mob mentality.
True, this is why I see social media as a ln additional mean to create conflicts and disputes between people. Verbal abuse has probably reached a highet high than ever before because of this.

Having said that, all the criticism currently directed at Novak is legitimate. The guy was a complete bonehead. Treated this as a teenager instead of an adult.
 

Fedforever

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Agreed. The first and last are silly and should be condemned.

But losing his position with the player's council seems natural or even self-evident and i'm guessing there's a big chance it happens. That's the way it works for any leader entrusted with responsibility. If they cause a public fiasco and put people in harms way, they step down. It's perfectly normal and I don't think it's vile at all to suggest that this should be the consequence. This is not some god-given position that Novak is entitled to, after all. He's not a king, just an elected representative who's supposed to positively represent the sport. His judgment and position of trust is now severely weakened.

In the end it depends whether he has the confidence of the players. If they still think he's the best person to lead them then that's fine, but if they don't then he should resign regardless of whether it's "fair" or not.
 

Aussie Darcy

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Novak's dad is going full Serena Williams vs Maria Sharapova on Dimitrov.

"She begins every interview with 'I'm so happy. I'm so lucky' – it's so boring. She's still not going to be invited to the cool parties. And, hey, if she wants to be with the guy with a black heart, go for it'."

 

Fedforever

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Don't know how this translates to "remove him from the player's council".
the organisers go ahead

Because as the President of the Player's Council he has a responsibility to set a good example and be above reproach.The other players certainly were silly as well but they aren't the President.

There was a strongly adverse reaction to the initial images from the tournament but instead of learning from that the organisers go ahead and organise a big, sweaty party!
 

octobrina10

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That's where it all started:
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Serbian NBA star Nikola Jokic, who was tested positive for the virus recently, and Djoko were seen sitting beside each other and hugging at an exhibition basketball event in Belgrade on June 11th:
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Serbian basketball player Nikola Jankovic, who participated in the exhibition basketball game in Belgrade on June 11th, was tested positive for the virus on June 15th.
N.Jokic pictured hugging Djoko, was in close proximity to N.Jankovic. It's unclear if the two basketball players had any physical contact.
 

octobrina10

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zagor

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True, this is why I see social media as a ln additional mean to create conflicts and disputes between people. Verbal abuse has probably reached a highet high than ever before because of this.

Having said that, all the criticism currently directed at Novak is legitimate. The guy was a complete bonehead. Treated this as a teenager instead of an adult.

He certainly deserves criticism but there's some schadenfreude involved, all I'm saying.
 

King No1e

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This focus on who infected who is in a fundamental sense meaningless anyway. Someone always infected the guy who infected you, and we can keep doing that routine all the way till we're back in Wuhan.

THE POINT IS WHEN YOU ORGANIZE A DUMB EVENT LIKE THIS YOU'RE BOUND TO IMPORT AND SPREAD THE VIRUS DO YOU NOT GET THIS SRDJAN WHY AM I SHOUTING
I was going to post something but you said it best.
 

Zardoz7/12

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I hope those who have caught Covid-19 recover asap. I'm not bringing politics into this forum, Boris Johnson recently recovered from Covid-19 and he looks really pallid, looks tired and lacks that energy he's well known for, I hope Djokovic and co have no lasting effects from this virus.
 

RaulRamirez

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No, Novak's genuinely a nice guy. If he and his team had used some common sense and apologised right away then some of this could have been avoided.



This is true, but Fed fans are human, we've taken a lot of grief this year from Novak fans rubbing our faces in it and telling us how sh*t our guy is. And when his father's making it worse all by himself you'd have to be pretty saintly not to enjoy it a little bit.
Who...in their right mind...ENJOYS any of this?!
 

bleno567

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Is it wrong for me as a Fed fan to start feeling a little for Novak right now...I mean, the poor guy just can't get a break this year. :-D

Honestly, I find it impossible to find sympathy for anyone that's super wealthy. Everyone can hate away. He's got mountains of cold hard cash to cheer him up.
 

Fedforever

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Who...in their right mind...ENJOYS any of this?!

I think it's very interesting.

Lots of things have always puzzled me about Novak and his relations with the public - this contretemps has made a lot of things clearer.

I guess it's nice that people have such a high opinion of us Fed fans that they think we would be immune to a bit of schadenfreude but I'm not sure I'm up to that. Do they really not know what it's been like having 40-15 shoved down our throats constantly for the past year? I mentioned on another thread - I saw a nice video of Fed and Nadal at the Laver Cup on Youtube and found that someone was spamming the comments with 40-15 gifs. Obviously there's lots of times when it's appropriate to talk about the score so you just have to live with that - but most of the time it isn't, it's just used to hurt.

I think my actual position - that Novak should have apologised and accepted responsibility but that he's also been let down by his team and that he's fundamentally a good guy - is quite reasonable and unbiased.
 

Mainad

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Single-handedly that dastardly Bulgarian deliberately got himself infected with Covid-19 just to create trouble between Serbia and Croatia (2 of the friendliest and most mutually admiring neighbours in the world) and, above all, make Novak look bad!!! :mad:
 

RaulRamirez

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I think it's very interesting.

Lots of things have always puzzled me about Novak and his relations with the public - this contretemps has made a lot of things clearer.

I guess it's nice that people have such a high opinion of us Fed fans that they think we would be immune to a bit of schadenfreude but I'm not sure I'm up to that. Do they really not know what it's been like having 40-15 shoved down our throats constantly for the past year? I mentioned on another thread - I saw a nice video of Fed and Nadal at the Laver Cup on Youtube and found that someone was spamming the comments with 40-15 gifs. Obviously there's lots of times when it's appropriate to talk about the score so you just have to live with that - but most of the time it isn't, it's just used to hurt.

I think my actual position - that Novak should have apologised and accepted responsibility but that he's also been let down by his team and that he's fundamentally a good guy - is quite reasonable and unbiased.
Per your last paragraph, I agree.
I think Novak is a great guy (lots of examples to cite) who showed colossally poor judgment here, despite what I thought were good intentions. His out-of-mainstream thinking has, till now, served him well per health and performance, and he is quite stubborn. Somewhat tragically, this clouded his judgment, and I feel for the players and families who tested positive, but even moreso for (if applicable) any ballkids or fans who were affected - and moreso for anyone not part of the tourney who it can spread to.

While I don't engage in it, to some extent, I can understand trolling over match results, but when it comes to a health pandemic, I worry about anybody who enjoys any aspect of this. I don't mean for you to bear the brunt of this, as I've seen MUCH worse.
 

BeatlesFan

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The American media is even reporting on Djoker Daddy’s latest idiocy, and he also claims Novak is actually sick:

Novak Djokovic’s father accuses Grigor Dimitrov in sad coronavirus twist

Novak Djokovic isn’t responsible for the coronavirus outbreak at his charity tournament, the Adria Tour — according to his outspoken father.

Srdjan Djokovic, who has come under fire in the past for controversial and unsportsmanlike statements, has accused Bulgaria’s Grigor Dimitrov for the spike in people infected, including Novak and his wife Jelena, who both tested positive after the tournament.

“How did the infection come about? Probably because Dimitrov came sick, who knows where,” Srdjan told broadcaster RTL. “He was not tested in Zadar, but somewhere else. I don’t think that’s right.”

The event’s recklessness immediately drew ire from multiple members of the tennis community, including Nick Kyrgios, Dan Evans and Andy Roddick.

“You can also criticize us and say this is maybe dangerous. But it’s not up to me to make the calls about what is right or wrong for health. We are doing what the Serbian government is telling us,” Novak said at the opening ceremony.

“Dimitrov did great harm to you in Croatia and to us as a family, and to Serbia,” said Srdjan, who recently raised eyebrows for accusing Swiss star Roger Federer of being jealous of his son’s success.

“Nobody is well, not even my son,” he added.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...her-defends-son-condemns-grigor-dimitrov/amp/
 
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Hi everybody, take a shot every time one of these threads pops up and there is some random twitter thread.
 

Fedforever

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Per your last paragraph, I agree.
I think Novak is a great guy (lots of examples to cite) who showed colossally poor judgment here, despite what I thought were good intentions. His out-of-mainstream thinking has, till now, served him well per health and performance, and he is quite stubborn. Somewhat tragically, this clouded his judgment, and I feel for the players and families who tested positive, but even moreso for (if applicable) any ballkids or fans who were affected - and moreso for anyone not part of the tourney who it can spread to.

While I don't engage in it, to some extent, I can understand trolling over match results, but when it comes to a health pandemic, I worry about anybody who enjoys any aspect of this. I don't mean for you to bear the brunt of this, as I've seen MUCH worse.

No, that's OK. I think we ought all to try and separate our emotions from our rational minds as far as we can. I fairly often end up deleting what I've written because I thought I was making a rational point but realise on re-reading that I wasn't.

I think on the scale between "Novak has done nothing wrong" and "they should lock him up and throw away the key" then inevitably Fed and Djoko fans will tend slightly more towards one end than the other but we shouldn't be miles apart if we try to look at things objectively.
 

Federev

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from google translate:

"The man came sick who knows where and so it happened. I don't think it's right that he wasn't tested there, but in another place. He caused great damage to you in Croatia and to us as a family and Serbia," Djokovic's father added.

sorry about the title, he wanted to say Dimitrov hurt both Croatia and Serbia, the title was paraphrased by this tennis journalist
Wow. Just wow.

I am just more sorry for Novak and where he learned about manhood - and potentially how his wife and kids will be affected - everytime that guy opens his mouth.

I hope he knows how bad and classless and destructive that kind of attitude is.
 
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