Now I know how Sampras fans feel

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We have that it in common. I just like Djokovic and Sampras so much more than you do lol.
I don't dislike either on a moral level, I'd be happy to meet them but I just say stuff to rile up their fanbase
 

ReeceSachs

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I don't dislike either on a moral level, I'd be happy to meet them but I just say stuff to rile up their fanbase
I think all fanbases are bad but in the last few months Nolefam have hit new highs i will not lie. But overall Federer fans are the biggest though. Sampras fans were quiet here since 90s clay left only untill the last few months.
Nadal fans have even started to get a bit more vocal now too with the slam count and Nadal drawing closer to 20.
 
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No you don't. Federer isn't even gonna be clear cut GOAT of his own era, unlike Sampras. And he might even get overtaken in slam count by his main rivals, lmao.
Lleyton Hewitt lol
 
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I think all fanbases are bad but in the last few months Nolefam have hit new highs i will not lie. But overall Federer fans are the biggest though. Sampras fans were quiet here since 90s clay left only untill the last few months.
Nadal fans have even started to get a bit more vocal now too with the slam count and Nadal drawing closer to 20.
I think it's because Nadal passing Federer doesn't bother me. He's quiet, timid and well spoken (in Spanish at least). He was an early bloomer and set the bar higher with Federer during crucial years I truly cared about tennis.

Djokovic came along and was arrogant and obnoxious.. never took to him.

As for Sampras I am so used to annoying 90's Clay it's like second nature to me now.
 

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Do Sampras fans still exist? I thought they went extinct like dinosaurs. They did not survive the arrival of the Big 3 comet. My theory is that most Sampras fans reconverted to Federer fans because Roger came sooner han Nadal or Djokovic, and so they accepted Federer sooner as Sampras' replacement in the GOAT status.
 
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1-1 slam head to head and a 12 slam difference - compared to what 4-10 slam head to head and a 2 slam (soon to be 1?) difference. And then Djokovic as well, dominating Federer in slams.
5 losses in a row including a 7-5, 6-0 beatdown at the WTF lmao

Also Corretja 1996 USO QF
 

ReeceSachs

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I thought that is why you like Nadal i was actually gonna write that since your a Hewitt fan and Nadal started playing well when Hewitt was still a factor. It will be used against Djokovic that he did not beat a prime/peak Fed the way Nadal did....
I think Djokovic can a piece of work but he does not get treated nicely at times too by the media. He has matured a lot over the years as well and become more humble.
The Fedal rivalry was crazy from 2005 to 2009.
Nadal is quiet and well reserved more so than Djokovic who is more vocal on issues but to each of their own i guess.
 
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Do Sampras fans still exist? I thought they got extinct like dinosaurs. They did not survive the arrival of the Big 3 comet. My theory is that most Sampras fans reconverted to Federer fans because Roger came sooner han Nadal or Djokovic, and so they accepted Federer sooner as Sampras' replacement in the GOAT debate.
Dude you don't understand their mindset. 90's Clay got behind Nadal of all players because he wanted Federer to suffer for passing Sampras lol
 
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@Sabratha
I thought that is why you like Nadal i was actually gonna write that since your a Hewitt fan and Nadal started playing well when Hewitt was still a factor. It will be used against Djokovic that he did not beat a prime/peak Fed the way Nadal did....
I think Djokovic can a piece of work but he does not get treated nicely at times too.. by the media...
The Fedal rivalry was crazy from 2005 to 2009.
Nadal is quiet and well reserved more so than Djokovic who is more vocal on issues but to each of their own i guess.
Nadal never craved attention like Djokovic. Ever. He just played tennis and fished, no?
 

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I don't know is 4 Slams in 10 years dominance? Rafa would still have 0 WTFs.

Then there's the weeks at #1.

Nah I'd still have Sampras ahead if Nadal won on Sunday. Remember Sampras retired at 31.
 

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I think it's because Nadal passing Federer doesn't bother me. He's quiet, timid and well spoken (in Spanish at least). He was an early bloomer and set the bar higher with Federer during crucial years I truly cared about tennis.

Djokovic came along and was arrogant and obnoxious.. never took to him.

As for Sampras I am so used to annoying 90's Clay it's like second nature to me now.
Sounds a lot like my experience.
 

ReeceSachs

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Nadal never craved attention like Djokovic. Ever. He just played tennis and fished, no?
True. But he also has not got some of the hate Djokovic got as well. Media used to circlate fake stories about Novak and jeering his DFs etc etc. Nadal is the better sportsman though IMO i am with you on that part.
Nadal has never smashed a racket in his career also BTW.
 

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I don't know is 4 Slams in 10 years dominance? Rafa would still have 0 WTFs.

Then there's the weeks at #1.

Nah I'd still have Sampras ahead if Nadal won on Sunday. Remember Sampras retired at 31.
Dude, Nadal had already won 16 Slams at age 31, including the Career Grand Slam (while Sampras never won Roland-Garros), Olympics (which Agassi won in Sampras era), and 16 more Masters 1000 than Sampras (which were relevant in Sampras era, as Agassi was the King of Masters 1000 before the arrival of the Big 3).

Also, their difference is 14 vs. 18/19, not 14 vs 16. If Sampras retired at age 31 that's his problem, he didn't have the necessary competitive mentality to keep winning Majors and playing tennis after 31.

Following your logic, Borg is the perpetual GOAT because he retired at age 25 with 11 Grand Slams.
 
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Dude, Nadal had already won 16 Slams at age 31, including the Career Grand Slam (while Sampras never won Roland-Garros), Olympics (which Agassi won in Sampras era), and 16 more Masters 1000 than Sampras (which were relevant in Sampras era, as Agassi was the King of Masters 1000 before the arrival of the Big 3).

Also, their difference is 14 vs. 18/19, not 14 vs 16. If Sampras retired at age 31 that's his problem, he didn't have the necessary competitive mentality to keep winning Majors and playing tennis after 31.

Following your logic, Borg is the perpetual GOAT because he retired at age 25 with 11 Grand Slams.
Anybody who at this point puts Sampras ahead of Nadal (doesn't matter if Nadal wins this title or not) is a pathetic troll who doesn't deserve any attention.
 
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That was one of Sampras's bravest victories and he went on to win that slam.

If you're trying to mock Sampras and his fans, that's a poor match to choose.
Is it? Going 5 sets with a claycourt specialist and nearly losing?
 

Sunny Ali

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Federer fans will likely feel worse because Federer will go from No .1 on the slam list down to 3 faster than Sampras did :)

On a serious note though, this is incredible. At one point, I thought Federer's slam record was here to stay a very long time. Now we're looking at the very real possibility that he'll end at number 3 on the list even while he's playing or shortly after he's retired o_O
 
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Federer fans will likely feel worse because Federer will go from No .1 on the slam list down to 3 faster than Sampras did :)

On a serious note though, this is incredible. At one point, I thought Federer's slam record was here to stay a very long time. Now we're looking at the very real possibility that he'll end at number 3 on the list even while he's playing or shortly after he's retired o_O
Don't see Novak doing it.
 

Sunny Ali

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Don't see Novak doing it.
Well it depends on how serious his injury is. There's hardly any details about it so it's hard to tell. If its serious, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

But if not, I fully expect him to resume his winning ways when he returns. Who's going to stop him?
 
Is it? Going 5 sets with a claycourt specialist and nearly losing?
Dude was vomiting on court and could hardly move, and still went on to win the match - and the slam. You could hardly pick a worse match to make fun of Sampras in, actually.

Now things like losing to Bastl at Wimbledon, Kucera at the AO, Yzaga at the USO are more up for mockery.
 
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Dude was vomiting on court and could hardly move, and still went on to win the match - and the slam. You could hardly pick a worse match to make fun of Sampras in, actually.

Now things like losing to Bastl at Wimbledon, Kucera at the AO, Yzaga at the USO are more up for mockery.
Because he was downing coke during the changeovers. Hardly call that vomiting either.. Not with what I just personally went through.
 

Sunny Ali

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i am not understanding this thread......what’s there to feel for fans of pete?
Game ... most fans become so enamored by their own favorites that it causes them grief when a record of their favorite is broken. I like seeing records broken, regardless of who is holding it, so I really look forward to seeing the weeks at No. 1 and total slam record of Federer being broken.

With Djokovic's injury, I don't know if he's going to hold on to No .1 and go on to break the record but should Nadal win his next 2 matches at the US Open, Federer's total slam record will be broken, no doubt about that.
 

Start da Game

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Game ... most fans become so enamored by their own favorites that it causes them grief when a record of their favorite is broken. I like seeing records broken, regardless of who is holding it, so I really look forward to seeing the weeks at No. 1 and total slam record of Federer being broken.

With Djokovic's injury, I don't know if he's going to hold on to No .1 and go on to break the record but should Nadal win his next 2 matches at the US Open, Federer's total slam record will be broken, no doubt about that.
got it......pete fans are usually classy and i don’t think they will be celebrating if rafa inches close to 20, unlike fraudsters......myself included, we are a relaxed bunch just enjoying different styles in tennis.......
 

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Sampras fans weren't passed in the slam race until Wimbledon 2009, when Fed bagged #15. Even if Nadal wins on Sunday, he will still be one short of Fed's record.
 

Sunny Ali

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Sampras fans weren't passed in the slam race until Wimbledon 2009, when Fed bagged #15. Even if Nadal wins on Sunday, he will still be one short of Fed's record.
Agreed, but he'll be within touching distance. He still has a few years in him so I don't see how he can't win a couple more should he win the US Open in the next 2 days. The French open alone will get him there :)
 

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No you don't. Federer isn't even gonna be clear cut GOAT of his own era, unlike Sampras. And he might even get overtaken in slam count by his main rivals, lmao.
Fact is, Sampras won less Slams than Federer. It doesn’t matter one bit how the Slams he didn’t win were distributed between other players, because it wasn’t within his powers.

At least most of Federer’s losses were against fellow ATGs. That is a positive, not a negative, no matter how much you try to suggest the opposite.

Also after being 25 Sampras won only Wimbledon, apart from his last tournament, the 2002 US Open. That is no dominance. A common excuse is that he only had the target of Emerson’s 12 titles, and after that he lost motivation. But then why was his APPROACH to that so slow?

He had...
10 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1997
11 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1998
12 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1999
13 Slam titles at Wimbledon 2000

If he would have been dominant and only lost motivation after his 13th title, then he clearly would have won at least a few hardcourt Slams during that time.

And we don’t even need to talk about the value of Emerson’s record. It was during the Pro/Amateur split, and he would have won like 5 Open Slams at most, while Laver and Rosewall would have easily won over 14 (but not 20 though).

Sampras was never the GOAT, and I say this as a fan during his great days in my childhood/youth.
 

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Fact is, Sampras won less Slams than Federer. It doesn’t matter one bit how the Slams he didn’t win were distributed between other players, because it wasn’t within his powers.

At least most of Federer’s losses were against fellow ATGs. That is a positive, not a negative, no matter how much you try to suggest the opposite.

Also after being 25 Sampras won only Wimbledon, apart from his last tournament, the 2002 US Open. That is no dominance. A common excuse is that he only had the target of Emerson’s 12 titles, and after that he lost motivation. But then why was his APPROACH to that so slow?

He had...
10 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1997
11 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1998
12 Slam titles at Wimbledon 1999
13 Slam titles at Wimbledon 2000

If he would have been dominant and only lost motivation after his 13th title, then he clearly would have won at least a few hardcourt Slams during that time.

And we don’t even need to talk about the value of Emerson’s record. It was during the Pro/Amateur split, and he would have won like 5 Open Slams at most, while Laver and Rosewall would have easily won over 14 (but not 20 though).

Sampras was never the GOAT, and I say this as a fan during his great days in my childhood/youth.
GOAT wasn't even a thing in Sampras' day...GOAT is a by-product of the more recent need for people to classify things as black/white, and label it with an emoji. I'm right, you're wrong. Mine's better than yours, blah, blah, blah. Makes me sick...
 

ChrisRF

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GOAT wasn't even a thing in Sampras' day...GOAT is a by-product of the more recent need for people to classify things as black/white, and label it with an emoji. I'm right, you're wrong. Mine's better than yours, blah, blah, blah. Makes me sick...
Sampras somewhat wanted to introduce this concept when communicating he would chase Emerson’s record. And of course the goal was that he himself would be recognized then as the greatest ever.

He talked about the history of the game very much, and yet he totally failed to put Emerson into perspective. It’s strange, because Laver was his idol he said. All that looks a bit fraudulent, as if he knew he could never match Laver’s achievements and created a substitute for the GOAT race, namely the beatable Emerson “record”. And by constantly saying Laver is his idol nobody noticed that he somehow cheated him.

That were strange times indeed. As you said, there wasn’t really a GOAT race, and then Sampras came along, chasing a record that didn’t even exist, and after beating it the tennis world acted as if 14 would stand like forever, despite with an open GOAT race in place before (especially during the Laver/Rosewall era) that 14 would have been exceeded long before.

And then, oh what a surprise, it lasted only a few years.
 
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