Now official: Djokovic joins Dimitrov and Coric.

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octogon

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I asked that Novak should not be allowed to play tournaments until he unconditionally accepts to covid testing without more of the cyber bullying of tournaments that we have seen from him. I think that is a just punishment and the fact that you think even that is setting him on fire says a lot about you. Oh wait now, you didn't know that's what I had said? Well then, ****ing read before you reach, this would be the second time in this thread. I don't give a flying **** about your hurt feelings as a Novak fanboy.
"Setting him on Fire" .Hahaha!


Have you been accused of "virtually lynching" Novak yet? LOL!

They've used that one against me. These Djokovic fanboys are something special. They truly seem to buy into the notion set out by his mother and father that he is Jesus, or some kind of God on Earth.
 
Too early to tell what the long term effects of contracting SARS-CoV-2 are. Anyone can get lung damage which can end up causing medium to long term ill effects. Perhaps more serious in elite athletes who push their bodies hard physically.

Also, no real information as to how long the antibodies will give protection from (re)infection or how much protection they will give.

Time will tell.
I don't think we need any complicated conspiracy theories to explain this. Occam's Razor, Djokovic has been loudly conveying his skepticism about covid at every possible opportunity so this outcome was never a surprise. That he promptly announced he tested positive suggests he understands the need for damage control. But he has to go beyond that to win back the goodwill he has lot.
 
"Setting him on Fire" .Hahaha!


Have you been accused of "virtually lynching" Novak yet? LOL!

They've used that one against me. These Djokovic fanboys are something special. They truly seem to buy into the notion set out by his mother and father that he is Jesus, or some kind of God on Earth.
And meanwhile, when Djokovic objects to US Open restrictions months in advance, that is supposedly not a big deal while anything we say amounts to online lynching of Djokovic. I am not even on twitter, man, so how can I even lynch him here on TT even if I wanted to? LOL.
 

Karma Tennis

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What would have been really good was for these elite athletes to be subject to serious medical evaluation during the course of their infection. Various tests every day to monitor the impact and progress of the virus / disease in an elite physical specimen. Great research subject.

Would be a very nice way for the athlete to "give back" to society in a special way.
 
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What would have been really good was for these elite athletes to be subject to serious medical evaluation during the course of their infection. Various tests every day to monitor the impact and progress of the virus / disease in an elite physical specimen. Great research subject.

Would be a very nice way for the athlete to "give back" to society in a special way.
Small viral load to begin with caught from other people with limited symptoms, therefore shedding limited amounts of virus.
 
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I don't think we need any complicated conspiracy theories to explain this. Occam's Razor, Djokovic has been loudly conveying his skepticism about covid at every possible opportunity so this outcome was never a surprise. That he promptly announced he tested positive suggests he understands the need for damage control. But he has to go beyond that to win back the goodwill he has lot.
If he has no symptoms despite testing positive, wouldn’t that just confirm his scepticism surrounding the whole thing?
 

Mike Sams

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The WWE announcer Kayla Braxton also tested positive for COVID 19. Interestingly, she tested positive back in March as well. So it seems you're not immune if you catch it the first time.
 

Mike Sams

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Speedy recovery for Novak and eveey other tennis player and their families.

Hopefully Novak will use this as a learning experience to try and grow more as a person. Everybody makes mistakes, but adults learn from them so let's hope Novak does too.

I am disappointed that he treated this superficially though. Like a teenager instead of a fully grown adult.
I doubt he cares that much. He's shown no symptoms thus far. So to him, the virus and the whole pandemic is still a farce in his view.
 
If he has no symptoms despite testing positive, wouldn’t that just confirm his scepticism surrounding the whole thing?
More tin foil hat nonsense. Asymptomatic carriers? Like, you could be carrying a very mild case of viral infection when you have nothing more than a common cold. Now don't jump and say, look that's a symptom. Asymptomatic in the case of covid is very specific and not something that resembles a cold or even a 'normal' viral infection.
 
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More tin foil hat nonsense. Asymptomatic carriers? Like, you could be carrying a very mild case of viral infection when you have nothing more than a common cold. Now don't jump and say, look that's a symptom. Asymptomatic in the case of covid is very specific and not something that resembles a cold or even a 'normal' viral infection.
Djokovic is the one who needs convincing. If he has no symptoms which he currently doesn’t have, then why wouldn’t he remain skeptical?

BTW the tin foil hat insult has its provenance from the CIA to try and silence those who didn’t buy the Lee Harvey Oswald narrative.
 
Djokovic is the one who needs convincing. If he has no symptoms which he currently doesn’t have, then why wouldn’t he remain skeptical?
Seeing as he admitted to testing positive, the one who needs convincing is you, not him.
BTW the tin foil hat insult has its provenance from the CIA to try and silence those who didn’t buy the Lee Harvey Oswald narrative.
That does not make every conspiracy theory valid. It just makes you a nut who is desperately trying to act cool. I know of people from my acquaintance circle who died of covid. In our country, we are under-reporting deaths. If a person is DOA, the hospital won't test him in case that needlessly adds to positive cases. So don't tell me the virus is fake, it's not. Like Djokovic pre-testing positive, you have simply convinced yourself that something that you haven't experienced is fake. Which does not make you intelligent, in fact it makes you incredibly dumb because you are incapable of finding information and asking people to form an opinion and instead cling on to the news stories that confirm your biases.
 

NoleFam

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I don't think we need any complicated conspiracy theories to explain this. Occam's Razor, Djokovic has been loudly conveying his skepticism about covid at every possible opportunity so this outcome was never a surprise. That he promptly announced he tested positive suggests he understands the need for damage control. But he has to go beyond that to win back the goodwill he has lot.
If he was skeptical that the virus actually existed, I seriously doubt he would have donated over $2 million euros to Serbia and Italy, and an undisclosed amount to Spain. I don't think that's what's in question here. What's in question is his judgement when people were questioning the risk of having an event like that too soon with no protocols, and he chose only to listen to the voices in Serbia.
 

Zetty

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Curious, is Djokovic asthmatic? Or were his breathing problems during matches purely the effects of a gluten allergy?
 
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Seeing as he admitted to testing positive, the one who needs convincing is you, not him.

That does not make every conspiracy theory valid. It just makes you a nut who is desperately trying to act cool. I know of people from my acquaintance circle who died of covid. In our country, we are under-reporting deaths. If a person is DOA, the hospital won't test him in case that needlessly adds to positive cases. So don't tell me the virus is fake, it's not. Like Djokovic pre-testing positive, you have simply convinced yourself that something that you haven't experienced is fake. Which does not make you intelligent, in fact it makes you incredibly dumb because you are incapable of finding information and asking people to form an opinion and instead cling on to the news stories that confirm your biases.
I don’t think it’s a hoax and never said that. I think the societal response to something which has a mortality rate (which is falling quickly) broadly in line with a bad flu is at best @SS covering and raises some questions.

I’m sorry for any personal losses of yours.
 
I don’t think it’s a hoax and never said that. I think the societal response to something which has a mortality rate (which is falling quickly) broadly in line with a bad flu is at best @SS covering and raises some questions.

I’m sorry for any personal losses of yours.
If you don't think it's a hoax, what was that red herring about Novak not experiencing symptoms about? That doesn't make it valid to question the response itself because many people do not experience it only in the way Novak does and no, that's not just old people. My cousin who is about 34 had it pretty bad and so did her spouse. And please note the infection as well as the mortality rate is AFTER draconian restrictions, so comparisons with normal flu are not valid.
 
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If you don't think it's a hoax, what was that red herring about Novak not experiencing symptoms about? That doesn't make it valid to question the response itself because many people do not experience it only in the way Novak does and no, that's not just old people. My cousin who is about 34 had it pretty bad and so did her spouse. And please note the infection as well as the mortality rate is AFTER draconian restrictions, so comparisons with normal flu are not valid.
Because in the same part of the thread there was reference to Novak having it and yet having no symptoms, so therefore I drew the conclusion that his Covid experience so far would not change his view that much, or at least the view prevalent on this forum that he is a mad anti-vaxer.

So a bit of good news: back in the end of March 6% of Covid hospitalisations in the UK resulted in death and that number is now 1%, of course the services have had 3 months to refine treatments and are less overwhelmed. This is supportive of the view that this is really no more dangerous than a flu (which is also quite nasty).
 
So a bit of good news: back in the end of March 6% of Covid hospitalisations in the UK resulted in death and that number is now 1%, of course the services have had 3 months to refine treatments and are less overwhelmed. This is supportive of the view that this is really no more dangerous than a flu (which is also quite nasty).
Provided the correct treatment exists, yes, the disease is not exceptionally lethal. The whole problem was the very fact that nobody knew anything about this new disease and hence had to save lives until they did. And secondly (and this is where it is different from the flu), the disease is way more contagious. With it spreading so fast, 1% suddenly becomes an unacceptably high rate of mortality. You HAVE to slow down the rate of infection in order to ensure it doesn't throw the healthcare system out of gear (or settle for denying medical assistance to patients and most countries, even third world ones, would not feel comfortable doing that).

And this is where the precautions come in. Nobody is saying the precautions magically make the disease go away. But they do slow the rate of infection. Here in India, we have seen the rate rise rapidly ever since restrictions began to be eased in June, with some zones within cities or even entire cities (like Chennai) going back into a limited period of lockdown. And this is without relaxations extending so far as to say masks are no longer required and that physical contact or proximity is ok.

There is nothing logical about the reluctance of Novak and others to embrace these precautions. You will not die of misery if you live with them for some more time. There are countries like Sweden where a measure of social distancing is built into normal life because they don't like getting too touchie-feelie. Likewise, people in Japan were wearing masks before there was a covid. A progressive rock singer I follow online has been wearing masks on flights and avoiding contact for long before the covid because she fell sick a couple of times, leading to unfortunate cancellations.

The whole attempt to paint merely wearing masks and keeping a safe distance as tyranny only reveals how habituated people are to privilege and comfort. In India too, I often find middle or upper class people going around without masks but poor people tie a handkerchief around their mouth if they cannot find a mask. Why is that? Because a poor person cannot afford a bed in a private hospital asking for a king's ransom for treatment and govt run hospitals are overflowing with patients. This is why I have found Novak and other anti-vaxxers disgusting from the start. Their real agenda is only to not share in the discomfort of an entire planet and because this makes them feel extremely guilty, they embrace conspiracy theories to justify this as borne out of uncommon intelligence that the rest of the sheeple somehow lack.
 
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Provided the correct treatment exists, yes, the disease is not exceptionally lethal. The whole problem was the very fact that nobody knew anything about this new disease and hence had to save lives until they did. And secondly (and this is where it is different from the flu), the disease is way more contagious. With it spreading so fast, 1% suddenly becomes an unacceptably high rate of mortality. You HAVE to slow down the rate of infection in order to ensure it doesn't throw the healthcare system out of gear (or settle for denying medical assistance to patients and most countries, even third world ones, would not feel comfortable doing that).

And this is where the precautions come in. Nobody is saying the precautions magically make the disease go away. But they do slow the rate of infection. Here in India, we have seen the rate rise rapidly ever since restrictions began to be eased in June, with some zones within cities or even entire cities (like Chennai) going back into a limited period of lockdown. And this is without relaxations extending so far as to say masks are no longer required and that physical contact or proximity is ok.

There is nothing logical about the reluctance of Novak and others to embrace these precautions. You will not die of misery if you live with them for some more time. There are countries like Sweden where a measure of social distancing is built into normal life because they don't like getting too touchie-feelie. Likewise, people in Japan were wearing masks before there was a covid. A progressive rock singer I follow online has been wearing masks on flights and avoiding contact for long before the covid because she fell sick a couple of times, leading to unfortunate cancellations.

The whole attempt to paint merely wearing masks and keeping a safe distance as tyranny only reveals how habituated people are to privilege and comfort. In India too, I often find middle or upper class people going around without masks but poor people tie a handkerchief around their mouth if they cannot find a mask. Why is that? Because a poor person cannot afford a bed in a private hospital asking for a king's ransom for treatment and govt run hospitals are overflowing with patients. This is why I have found Novak and other anti-vaxxers disgusting from the start. Their real agenda is only to not share in the discomfort of an entire planet and because this makes them feel extremely guilty, they embrace conspiracy theories to justify this as borne out of uncommon intelligence that the rest of the sheeple somehow lack.
Well if 1% die in the hospital and only 1 in 50 who get it need hospital treatment we are down to a mortality rate of just 0.02% and again the profile of those deaths is elderly people with comorbidities. The narrative has changed from not overburdening the healthcare system but one of making sure no one gets Covid. Maybe its the right call, but there is no debate at massive opportunity cost of saving people from Covid yet letting them rot on the economic grapevine, and virtually stopping other medical interventions. We are forced to go along with narrative because there is no analysis or discussion.
 

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Well if 1% die in the hospital and only 1 in 50 who get it need hospital treatment we are down to a mortality rate of just 0.02% and again the profile of those deaths is elderly people with comorbidities. The narrative has changed from not overburdening the healthcare system but one of making sure no one gets Covid. Maybe its the right call, but there is no debate at massive opportunity cost of saving people from Covid yet letting them rot on the economic grapevine, and virtually stopping other medical interventions. We are forced to go along with narrative because there is no analysis or discussion.
What narrative? You're telling on yourself with the word choice.

There are competing narratives, notably one from public health professionals and another from the White House and the ruling party in the US.

So much so that now consumption of Fox News (specifically Hannity) has been shown to have a directly proportional relationship to higher rates of COVID infection. Disinformation is literally making people sick and you are echoing Djok's position that this is all sort of a matter of opinion and personal experience.
 
Well if 1% die in the hospital and only 1 in 50 who get it need hospital treatment we are down to a mortality rate of just 0.02% and again the profile of those deaths is elderly people with comorbidities. The narrative has changed from not overburdening the healthcare system but one of making sure no one gets Covid. Maybe its the right call, but there is no debate at massive opportunity cost of saving people from Covid yet letting them rot on the economic grapevine, and virtually stopping other medical interventions. We are forced to go along with narrative because there is no analysis or discussion.
Again, you are calculating a rate that is a consequence of the restrictions. That is where the analysis is flawed.

I separate restrictions from precautions and safety measures. I am saying find ways to open factories, shops, sports tournaments, etc BUT assuming that safety precautions will have to be continued until we have turned the corner. Even with increased costs, it is better than not doing anything, not having any economic activity at all. For some reason, people find it upsetting not to be able to do things the old way but we could get things going if we just accepted that we have to live with a new reality for some time.
 

Rosstour

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Again, you are calculating a rate that is a consequence of the restrictions. That is where the analysis is flawed.

I separate restrictions from precautions and safety measures. I am saying find ways to open factories, shops, sports tournaments, etc BUT assuming that safety precautions will have to be continued until we have turned the corner. Even with increased costs, it is better than not doing anything, not having any economic activity at all. For some reason, people find it upsetting not to be able to do things the old way but we could get things going if we just accepted that we have to live with a new reality for some time.
Exactly.

But people want to compare mask-wearing guidelines with slavery, so here we are.

Also, re Goran...

 
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What narrative? You're telling on yourself with the word choice.

There are competing narratives, notably one from public health professionals and another from the White House and the ruling party in the US.

So much so that now consumption of Fox News (specifically Hannity) has been shown to have a directly proportional relationship to higher rates of COVID infection. Disinformation is literally making people sick and you are echoing Djok's position that this is all sort of a matter of opinion and personal experience.
Yes, regrettably it had turned into a political point of contention. I don‘t see any highbrow debate, no one is allowed to robustly question the public health professionals.
 
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Again, you are calculating a rate that is a consequence of the restrictions. That is where the analysis is flawed.

I separate restrictions from precautions and safety measures. I am saying find ways to open factories, shops, sports tournaments, etc BUT assuming that safety precautions will have to be continued until we have turned the corner. Even with increased costs, it is better than not doing anything, not having any economic activity at all. For some reason, people find it upsetting not to be able to do things the old way but we could get things going if we just accepted that we have to live with a new reality for some time.
No I’m making an assumption on how treatment has improved mortality rates. Overall quantum is a separate stat which I agree is now artificially lowered due to the restrictions. Some of the rules seem unnecesary e.g. masks outside.
 

Mike Sams

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The less symptoms you have the less antibodies you produce and those can get the virus again.
It’s many cases of it.
After hearing news of so many people in WWE getting infected and in the UFC, it's going to be a real gamble for any sport to host an event. I think US Open and the French are taking a big risk.
 

Mike Sams

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it's a bit more complicated than common tennis fan thinks about this situation
I don't think anyone really understands the virus yet. Speaking of, a Texas family celebrated a father's birthday and 18 family members got infected. Now the father is in hospital fighting for his life.
 

Antonio Puente

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I am saying find ways to open factories, shops, sports tournaments, etc BUT assuming that safety precautions will have to be continued until we have turned the corner. Even with increased costs, it is better than not doing anything, not having any economic activity at all. For some reason, people find it upsetting not to be able to do things the old way but we could get things going if we just accepted that we h
Seems like common sense to me. Of course Fox News, Djoker and Serbian health officials apparently have different ideas.

Simply take reasonable precautions and hope that treatment improves, the cocktail of medicine grows and a vaccine is forthcoming.
 

Phoenix1983

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yeah not my fault that 99,9% of people will claim that dragons believe the minute they hear it in the news media. Everyone's scared because they were told this was a deadly disease maaaan
THEY TALK ABOUT IT IN THE MEDIA MAN SO IT MUST BE REAL. Also, the governments want the best for us. In other news grass is blue and Nadal didn't lose to Youzhny 6-0 6-1 in Chennai

Im doing whatever is available at the moment - no masks, playing sports, meeting with friends who aren't chickens, no working from home
And what happens if you get the virus? Will you claim that it's a figment of your imagination, put there by the media?
 

Meles

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For what???
Did he break the law?
Did he force anyone to participate or attend?

Yes, the idea was probably not the best at this time, however, it may be that Grigor (coming from the US, to Bulgaria, to Serbia, to Bulgaria, to Croatia) may have brought this and not being tested entering EU may have been a problem. May have nothing to do with Belgrade or Zadar events...
Grigs being the carrier seems dubious given four (?) came down in quick succession. Nobody has answered, but I think Troiki was not in Croatia and Borna not in Serbia. This is as clear as mud.:unsure:
 

McLovin

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Grigs being the carrier seems dubious given four (?) came down in quick succession. Nobody has answered, but I think Troiki was not in Croatia and Borna not in Serbia. This is as clear as mud.:unsure:
What I don't understand is why everyone thinks it came form 1 person. For all we know, all 4 of them could have been infected from different sources. Highly unlikely, but the point is, it doesn't have to come from a single source.
 

Meles

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What I don't understand is why everyone thinks it came form 1 person. For all we know, all 4 of them could have been infected from different sources. Highly unlikely, but the point is, it doesn't have to come from a single source.
This is a common problem with troubleshooting in general and we all look for one connection when infact all 4 could have been infected independently, even not related to Adria tour, but I doubt that.:sneaky:
 

Meles

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And meanwhile, when Djokovic objects to US Open restrictions months in advance, that is supposedly not a big deal while anything we say amounts to online lynching of Djokovic. I am not even on twitter, man, so how can I even lynch him here on TT even if I wanted to? LOL.
Anyone objecting to US Open restrictions ongoing is going to get crushed by the PC crowd.:eek:

I hope to see player loyalty to the sport and the tournaments. A lot of people have suffered. They need to step up and play if the tournament in question is promoting safety. Yeah they may not like being isolated with one person for four weeks for the US Open, but its time to give back to the sport.

Novak got some bad luck to be sure with how events unfolded, but we just have to look at this, learn, and move on. Serbian and Croatian government overly proud of their success thwarting Covid and they got bit. Its time to move on.

Covid is a willy opponent. Nothing like the plague with just 0.5% death rate, but it can be incredibly deadly for many. And yet if we go into full on panic and destroy ourselves even more economically then we lose so much (including even more lives in the long run). Its time for everyone to get very smart. Let's hope that the antibody treatment shows up by
September or earlier and Vaccines in the new year or earlier. Tennis in my mind is the sport that needs to take the risks and we all learn; team sports just ill advised.:cautious:
 

Meles

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let's just say Im willing to take the risk
TP love your non-PC posting and sticking to your guns, but please don't infect anyone and keep safe.;)

Latest thing I'm seeing with this "2nd wave" is that it appears to be in some of the warmest areas of the planet where people right now are indoors (kind of like winter). Please TTWers be smart and avoid these situations this summer.:sick:
 

Bartelby

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The reality is that some governments are easing restrictions too early and people are flocking parks and beaches in their tens of thousands ... and spreading the virus.

******* is also not the only one nightclubing, even in places where they are still shut.
 

Meles

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It's good to know that the PC crowd follows science, whereas the lunatic fringe consults crystal balls and fake healers a la *******.
LOL. When it comes to tennis I'm like the number one Djokovic basher:-D and well at least Nole is health conscious.

Love and Peace:D
 
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