Now that Sinner has been banned for three months....

Does a Sinner ban imply an asterisk on tournaments played during this time?

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Aabye5

Aabye5

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Asked a similar question before the ban, but now that it is actually happening, I'm posting it again.

Do you consider the tournaments played during these three months to be asterisked? On the one hand, Sinner is the #1 player on the ATP Tour, he's won the last two majors, and he hasn't lost a match all year. That doesn't mean he would win all the events he participated in, but he would almost certainly play a major role in their eventual outcome.


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If Sinner is banned for three months...

...would you consider the tournaments played during those three months to be asterisked? On the one hand, Sinner is the #1 player on the ATP Tour, he's won the last two majors, and he hasn't lost a match all year. That doesn't mean he would win the events, but he would likely have a major...
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I consider anything Sinner wins in 2025 to be asterisked, because he should have been banned longer :happydevil:
Either way, nearly everything he's ever won has been on hardcourts, so he'll only ever be a one-dimensional #1, not an all-time great compared to Alcaraz/Nadal/Djokovic/Federer.
As for the thread question, Alcaraz was 2-0 vs. Sinner last year on hardcourt, and 3-0 overall... and that means Sinner is a non-factor to Alcaraz.
 
Aabye5 said:
Not sure we have. There were lots of posts before the ban, mostly by Sinnerstans, but not nearly as many since it actually went in place.
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lol this has been going on forever. Every time one of the big 3 missed a slam or masters event that they’d won a bunch they’d say it’s asterisked. Hell I found posts from boards going back to 1999 saying the US Open that year is asterisked because Sampras wasn’t there. This isn’t new.
 
Great poll, while it might not be asteriked but beating number one to become number one is something which should be the norm , when best player is not on the tour you become best of the rest not the best.
 
Kralingen said:
Who is asterisking Miami or Monte Carlo lol

Players miss Masters all the time for various reasons. Often top guys simply skip them even when fully healthy. It’s no big deal

And of course, the deal that was cut specifically excluded Slams - because everyone knows those actually matter.
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Would you say the same if Sinner was banned from slams??
 
kevin qmto said:
lol this has been going on forever. Every time one of the big 3 missed a slam or masters event that they’d won a bunch they’d say it’s asterisked. Hell I found posts from boards going back to 1999 saying the US Open that year is asterisked because Sampras wasn’t there. This isn’t new.
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Oh, in that sense yes. I can only think of maybe one case where a major should be asterisked in recent memory, and that's not so much due to the final result (which I think would have remained the same), but because the draw would have looked very different -- Russian ban in 2022.

This had more of an impact on the WTA arguably, but it was highly suspect.
 
He played the Australian Open, so things aren't too bleak. Still, the best player in the game being banned is the last thing men's tennis needs.
 
Hitman said:
No asterisks. Making sure you are in total control of what goes into your body is part of being a professional, even if it was accidental as was the case with the contamination situation, he is still responsible.
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Exactly.

Sinner is not at No fault anymore.

He is at no significant fault as per wada, he is definitely at fault.
 
No. As I said before. Chris Evert was banned from 3 French opens when no human female on the planet could even win a match on clay against her for 7 straight years. The winners of those have no asterisk. If they dont then no one else should. Thats all there is to it.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Of course not. In fact we are very furious he didn't get banned earlier now
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No, "we" are not furious. In fact, we are content with the settlement as agreed to by WADA and Sinner, to the extent that its terms and timing are any of "our" business in the first place.
 
JMR said:
No, "we" are not furious. In fact, we are content with the settlement as agreed to by WADA and Sinner, to the extent that its terms and timing are any of "our" business in the first place.
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Speak for yourself. A few of you and Italians are very content but majority of us are not.
 
duaneeo said:
He played the Australian Open, so things aren't too bleak. Still, the best player in the game being banned is the last thing men's tennis needs.
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It sucks, but it's exactly what we need. The last thing we need is a cheater blasting everyone off the court and getting away with it bc of how well connected his coach is.
 
Rosstour said:
It sucks, but it's exactly what we need. The last thing we need is a cheater blasting everyone off the court and getting away with it bc of how well connected his coach is.
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I don't think being banned should be the only punishment, especially considering the 'cheat' was deemed unintentional. I think the punishment should be required testing at each tournament played for a certain amount of time.
 
Sinner's never won Doha, Dubai, Acapulco, Indian Wells, Monte-Carlo, Barcelona or Madrid before. This isn't exactly like Nadal missing the clay season where we need to start putting asterisks on titles.

He's the world #1, but he wouldn't even be the favorite for most of the tournaments during this stretch anyway. This is definitely more of Alcaraz's territory.
 
Athletes frequently need to pull out from tournaments because of various causes such as injuries or personal purposes or any other reason. The tournament continues without any player so the champion who emerges is justly deserving of victory.
 
insideguy said:
No. As I said before. Chris Evert was banned from 3 French opens when no human female on the planet could even win a match on clay against her for 7 straight years. The winners of those have no asterisk. If they dont then no one else should. Thats all there is to it.
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Why was she banned from 3 FO's?
 
mike danny said:
Why was she banned from 3 FO's?
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From 1974-1978, if a tennis player played in World Team Tennis (WTT), they would be banned from that year's French Open. Jimmy Connors in 1974 travelled to Paris, and challenged the ban in court, but was unsuccessful in getting the ban overturned. Much of Connors' conflict with Arthur Ashe came from this.
 
Mustard said:
From 1974-1978, if a tennis player played in World Team Tennis (WTT), they would be banned from that year's French Open. Jimmy Connors in 1974 travelled to Paris, and challenged the ban in court, but was unsuccessful in getting the ban overturned.
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This was so messed up. Why just from the French though?
 
mike danny said:
This was so messed up. Why just from the French though?
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The crazy thing is, and maybe someone could correct me but during that 7 year stretch she didnt lose one match on clay. For 7 years.

There are some smart tennis people here I am curious if that has ever been done, on any surface by any player other than her.
 
mike danny said:
This was so messed up. Why just from the French though?
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Because World Team Tennis conflicted with a lot of the European Grand Prix circuit tournaments.

The 1970s saw many different tours going on at the same time, under different governing bodies, and I suppose the Grand Prix circuit was the closest to what eventually became the ATP Tour in 1990.

1977 was the peak of the decentralization of tennis governing bodies. Borg played World Team Tennis that year, missing the 1977 French Open.
 
insideguy said:
The crazy thing is, and maybe someone could correct me but during that 7 year stretch she didnt lose one match on clay. For 7 years.

There are some smart tennis people here I am curious if that has ever been done, on any surface by any player other than her.
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Tracy Austin beat Chris Evert 6-4, 2-6, 7-6, in the semi final of the 1979 Italian Open. That ended a 125 wins in a row on clay streak for Evert, dating back to losing the 1973 French Open final to Margaret Court.

The longest on the men's side was Rafael Nadal's 81 wins in a row on clay streak, from April 2005 to May 2007, when Nadal was age 18-20.
 
Voted yes, then I saw other peoples' vote so I voted no, because I have no opinion on the subject. I just go with the flow.
 
Hitman said:
No asterisks. Making sure you are in total control of what goes into your body is part of being a professional, even if it was accidental as was the case with the contamination situation, he is still responsible.
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Ok, but this has nothing to do with the OP's question.

The fact that Sinner was rightfully disqualified does not mean at all that this will lead people to think anything other than "so-and-so won tournament x, but if Sinner had been there, would he have won it anyway?"

Even Djokovic, with his desire not to get vaccinated, knew what he was getting into, but this does not mean that people did not wonder what would have happened at the 2022 Australian Open and US Open (plus all the other tournaments he had to skip) if Djokovic had been able to participate.

When the reference player on the circuit is missing, the competition becomes incomplete.
And Sinner has indisputably been the reference player on the circuit for over a year now.
 
Armstrong doped his whole career and got away with it because the authorities allowed it.

USADA decided to make an example of him by threatening to expose him as having lied to Congress.

At this point Armstrong confessed so he was stripped of all his titles. And he was spared any jail time as a consequence.

Sinner was caught and dealt with lightly by the authorities. Having got away without a lengthy suspension, the blind eye rule is reinforced.

vokazu said:
I consider all of his tennis achievements asterisked or invalid, just like Lance Armstrong in cycling.
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Mustard said:
Tracy Austin beat Chris Evert 6-4, 2-6, 7-6, in the semi final of the 1979 Italian Open. That ended a 125 wins in a row on clay streak for Evert, dating back to losing the 1973 French Open final to Margaret Court.

The longest on the men's side was Rafael Nadal's 81 wins in a row on clay streak, from April 2005 to May 2007, when Nadal was age 18-20.
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Yea and if she played those French opens that streak would probably been at least 140.
 
Aabye5 said:
Asked a similar question before the ban, but now that it is actually happening, I'm posting it again.

Do you consider the tournaments played during these three months to be asterisked? On the one hand, Sinner is the #1 player on the ATP Tour, he's won the last two majors, and he hasn't lost a match all year. That doesn't mean he would win all the events he participated in, but he would almost certainly play a major role in their eventual outcome.


Original poll results:
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If Sinner is banned for three months...

...would you consider the tournaments played during those three months to be asterisked? On the one hand, Sinner is the #1 player on the ATP Tour, he's won the last two majors, and he hasn't lost a match all year. That doesn't mean he would win the events, but he would likely have a major...
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No as nobody remembers M1000 events once the year is over, they are histroically irrelevant.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Ok, but this has nothing to do with the OP's question.

The fact that Sinner was rightfully disqualified does not mean at all that this will lead people to think anything other than "so-and-so won tournament x, but if Sinner had been there, would he have won it anyway?"

Even Djokovic, with his desire not to get vaccinated, knew what he was getting into, but this does not mean that people did not wonder what would have happened at the 2022 Australian Open and US Open (plus all the other tournaments he had to skip) if Djokovic had been able to participate.

When the reference player on the circuit is missing, the competition becomes incomplete.
And Sinner has indisputably been the reference player on the circuit for over a year now.
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No asterisks because Sinner was not allowed to play. Its that simple. Why should it be asterisked? If you're banned you're banned.
 
JMR said:
LOL! Please take your own advice. You jumped into this thread with a presumptuous "we are very furious" claim that's the epitome of TTW myopia. Why do you think I responded the way I did?
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You responded the way for whatever reason I don't give a damn

Majority of us are damn angry take a poll and find out. It's just few super spammers who are trying to say the decision is accepted by all.
 
messiahrobins said:
No as nobody remembers M1000 events once the year is over, they are histroically irrelevant.
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Only to you. Fritz gets far more credit since winning one, as does Rublev. Tsitsipas' lack of variety in the M1000s also receives a lot of comments. Heck, before the big 3 obliterated the recordbook while chasing the major count, there were questions about whether M1000s were harder to win in some ways than majors (lack of days off, fewer free rounds, etc.)
 
Aabye5 said:
Only to you. Fritz gets far more credit since winning one, as does Rublev. Tsitsipas' lack of variety in the M1000s also receives a lot of comments. Heck, before the big 3 obliterated the recordbook while chasing the major count, there were questions about whether M1000s were harder to win in some ways than majors (lack of days off, fewer free rounds, etc.)
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Ive no idea what M1000 Rublev won!! Frits i know as he beat an injured Rafa at IW. Agassi won more m1000s than Sampras yet i have never ever seen Agassi get recognition for that at all.
 
messiahrobins said:
Ive no idea what M1000 Rublev won!! Frits i know as he beat an injured Rafa at IW. Agassi won more m1000s than Sampras yet i have never ever seen Agassi get recognition for that at all.
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It was something that received a lot of attention when the Big 3 became poised to overtake him
 
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